Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[Aziqbal]

So it does have a bigger strategic importance than just being a buffer zone.

ok so does Syria have a right to defend itself

Why does Israel only have a right to defend itself ?

 

[_Arabia_]

A perfect example of never let your guard down and trust no-one...

Syria was destroyed in the past 13 years. Not in the past 2-3 weeks. Also Syria was ruled by a weak, ineffective and brutal Al-Assad regime for the past 50 + years. Let Syrians, for once, shape and rebuild their own country and future.

Judging Syria right now makes no sense. We shall see in 10-15 years where Syria will be.

Only then can they be judged.

I for once have no doubt that Syria will be a richer country in 2040 than it was in 2010 even if you take inflation into account.

Also I don't believe that Syria will be divided. The worst case scenario is a Kurdish autonomous region in the northeast (another KRG). Which de facto has been the case for 10 + years already. Depends on how hard the US/Israel wants to support the Kurds.

 

[Foinikas]

ok so does Syria have a right to defend itself

Why does Israel only have a right to defend itself ?

What does that have to do with what I said? How did you come to the conclusion that I said only yahood have the right to defend? I pointed out the strategic importance of the location.

 

[Foinikas]

Let Syrians, for once, shape and rebuild their own country and future.

What we're saying is that there is a problem with the current "government'. The "liberators" and their background.

 

[Davey Crockett]

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[_Arabia_]

Also I predict that the West will kill/assasinate Al-Julani as he is unlikely to agree with all of their demands.

The smartest thing Al-Julani can do is to leave day-to-day politics to a successor and just become a shadow figure from behind the curtains.

That is if he has any aspirations of political power which seems to be the case.

Most important steps for Syria and Syrias in my eyes:

1) Assert control of all of Syria - including the SDF-controlled areas. If necessary make a deal with the Kurdish elements of the SDF and propose to them equal rights (unlike under the Ba'ath regime that tried to Arabize them fully) and if necessary even semi-autonomy as long as they remain loyal to Damascus. Such a deal should be possible to work out. Syrian Kurds (around 5-10% of the population) ruling a land-locked resourceless entity is doomed for failure and won't be tolerated by either Iraq nor Turkey next door nor Damascus.

2) Continue the ongoing and so far promising reconciliation attempts towards the Nusayris. There have been positive developments from both sides.

3) Put everyone responsible for crimes against Syria in front of courts and make them pay for what they did. There cannot be true reconciliation after a regime fall as long as there is not justice delivered. Syrians demand this.

4) Rebuilt state institutions and seek partners to help rebuilt Syria.

5) Rebuilt Syria's infrastructure, military and international standing by developing and rebuilding ties with all relevant powers in the region and world.

6) Elections and let Syrians decide their own future.

7) Once all of that has happened, the issue of Golan (50 + years already) can be discussed from a position of power (at least stability) rather than right now where Israel will just use Syria's current status as an excuse to not do it by making up false claims of Syria being a "threat" to Israel.

8) Invest in long-abandoned Syrian projects such as turning the Al-Jazira into a food basket again (like throughout much of antiquity), integrate Syria economically with the region, build up industrial hubs in Aleppo (once a region famed for its industry) and use the cards that Syria have been blessed with in a clever and strategic manner.

If anyone has better/more realistic suggestions, I would like to hear them.

 

[Ali_Baba]

As for Syria, other than the Golan Heights (which has de facto been ruled by Israel for 50 + years) they have not annexed any other Syrian territory. Those buffer zones are temporary as per their own claims.

Israel will never return the newly occupied parts of the Golan Heights, or Mount Heron, ever. You are being very niave to think they will.

This is the current newly occupied terroririty, well beyond the original DMZ zone and that occupation is being expanded on a daily basis.

 

[Ficus]

It all makes sense why Gulf states (except Qatar), Jordan and Egypt want US to take action against him.

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The fact that EU nations met him and is aiming to normalise ties with the country first before those MENA leaders who hasn’t said a word says it all really.

 

[_Arabia_]

Israel will never return the newly occupied parts of the Golan Heights, or Mount Heron, ever. You are being very niave to think they will.

This is the current newly occupied terroririty, well beyond the original DMZ zone and that occupation is being expanded on a daily basis.

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We will see about that. I neither denied it or the opposite. I think that it is a part of the plan to choke Hezbollah from the Syrian side.

When Israel annexes land etc. they never make a secret of it. Just like with the Golan. Here they have been talking about a temporary buffer since the beginning and continue to.

In any case a future Syria (more stable and stronger than right now) will have to deal with this (along with the regional powers and allies) problem if Israel won't leave those Syrian lands.

You are dealing with an irrational entity (Israel) ruled by extremists that are openly talking about "Greater Israel". The question is, if Israel is a democracy as they claim, for how longer will those people be in power and when will the Israeli people realize that alienating everyone around them is a bad long-term idea?

They might fell all mighty right now but things will look very differently in the future. That is for certain.

 

[muhammed45]

We will see about that. I neither denied it or the opposite. I think that it is a part of the plan to choke Hezbollah from the Syrian side.

When Israel annexes land etc. they never make a secret of it. Just like with the Golan. Here they have been talking about a temporary buffer since the beginning and continue to.

In any case a future Syria (more stable and stronger than right now) will have to deal with this (along with the regional powers and allies) problem if Israel won't leave those Syrian lands.

You are dealing with an irrational entity (Israel) ruled by extremists that are openly talking about "Greater Israel". The question is, if Israel is a democracy as they claim, for how longer will those people be in power and when will the Israeli people realize that alienating everyone around them is a bad long-term idea?

They might fell all mighty right now but things will look very differently in the future. That is for certain.

You talk too much man. While talking like a radio non stop, you spill the beans.

Alienating everyone bla bla. We don't need to be alienated by Zionists.

Israelis are a bunch of land grabbing terrorists.

 

[_Arabia_]

You talk too much man. While talking like a radio non stop, you spill the beans.

Alienating everyone bla bla. We don't need to be alienated by Zionists.

Israelis are a bunch of land grabbing terrorists.

Yet you thank my post? Seems to me like you agree.

I am saying that Israel is alienating everyone and that this won't end well for them. Read before commenting.

Thanks for stating the obvious, as if we Arabs have not been aware of that since before 1948.

 

[Solomon2]

UN Resolution 242 clearly calls for withdrawal from occupied territories.

I suggest carefully reading the original English-language text of 242. Israel need not withdraw from ALL of the post-67 war territory it conquered, only some. The ambiguity in the text was deliberate.

 

[Alter_Ego]

We will see about that. I neither denied it or the opposite. I think that it is a part of the plan to choke Hezbollah from the Syrian side.

When Israel annexes land etc. they never make a secret of it. Just like with the Golan. Here they have been talking about a temporary buffer since the beginning and continue to.

In any case a future Syria (more stable and stronger than right now) will have to deal with this (along with the regional powers and allies) problem if Israel won't leave those Syrian lands.

You are dealing with an irrational entity (Israel) ruled by extremists that are openly talking about "Greater Israel". The question is, if Israel is a democracy as they claim, for how longer will those people be in power and when will the Israeli people realize that alienating everyone around them is a bad long-term idea?

They might fell all mighty right now but things will look very differently in the future. That is for certain.

Isnotreal is not a regular nation state.
Its very different from all other nation states. You cannot deal with its internal politics and external policies without seeing it as what it REALLY is: A brutal settler colonial enterprise.

All things else is completeley irrelevant

 

[tower9]

That will mark the beginning of the end for Israel/Jews in the region, there are forces at play in that region which are far greater than America or ME, 2 Billion Muslim follow a man from Desert died in 6th Century not because of charming looks or ability to do trade or influence people, they follow him because they believe that he a messenger of God, and his words are all divinely inspired, his predictions are foresights of future events to come. Israel wants to take over the land and build their Temple, by All means do that... over the dead bodies of Millions of Arabs and innocent civilians, that ideology (Judaism) is by start bound to fall because it has nothing to offer to the greater world audiences except titles like Goy/Goyim and place one arrogant racist nation above all, Such Ideas are like Water bubbles they blow and float on the surface of rivers for as long as they do, one giant wave and its all gone.

2 billion Muslims are doing nothing right now to help Gaza.

Actually, a good amount of them are actually helping Israel, let me take that back.

Israel is going to win. They will kick out the Palestinians and they will ethnically cleanse the region and have their Greater Israel. The Arabs will accept this new reality and in a few generations, they will forget.

 

[ghazi52]

The Assad regime has fallen. Why are foreign powers still targeting Syria?​

Mostafa Salem and Nadeen Ebrahim, CNN
December 18, 2024

Armed individuals in tactical gear stand amidst a crowd in Damascus, Syria, on December 13.

Bilal Alhammoud/Middle East Images/AFP/Getty Images
CNN —

Syria’s Bashar al-Assad and his years-long regime have fallen, but the country remains a battleground for an array of actors seeking to secure interests in what may emerge to be a dangerous power vacuum.

As Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) assumes de facto leadership, Syria is still under attack by neighboring countries, and remains a scene of infighting by groups with opposing interests. Some players appear to be seeking to exploit this potential power vacuum, keen to use the post-Assad terrain to expand control or take out foes.

Turkey is seeking to eliminate armed Kurdish militants, Israel has struck the remnants of the Syrian Arab Army’s capabilities and expanded its territorial control, while the United States has ramped up its strikes on ISIS and moved warships to the region.

Here’s what we know about the fighting in Syria.