TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Ali_Baba]

I think there’s a saying among the Germans and the French about themselves: If the “ignorant” Turks can pull this off then surely we can too. The problem with this mindset is that those so-called “ignorant” Turks would treat it like a “ man-on-the-moon” project and fully commit to it. I doubt we’d see that same level of dedication from either the French the Germans.

Both Germany and France have the technological, infrastructure, organizational capabilities to develop a 5th Gen and 6th Gen fighter on their own on a turn key basis if they make the political decision to do so, and have the money and political stability for that project. The issue, is the politics of priorities of government spending and overall financial resources.

Lets not kid ourselves here.

 

[Michael]

Aside from the engine, what systems or organizational challenges do you think exist? What are the top three systems expected to challenge our industry? What might the organizational problems be?

The answer to this question depends on your standards.

What I can tell you is that even using the most stringent standards—from raw materials in nature, all processing steps, all necessary machinery and equipment, and intermediate materials—to the final product, China's fighter jets currently don't reach 100% accuracy; it's probably around 95%. As for what problems might arise in between, that's top secret.

This is a standard absolutely free from external influence and control. You can use this standard to examine KAAN itself and see what its percentage is.

Many people on this forum often say, "We don't need to reinvent the wheel." What I want to say is that you don't have to reinvent the wheel, but you do need to learn how to make your own wheels completely. Buying a product when you can make it yourself is a completely different level of business than buying one when you don't know how to make it yourself.

 

[hyperman]

I'm hoping Starmer causes Japan to exit GCAP, as the Japanese are freaking out about delays to the program with the rise of Chinese 5th and 6th gen capacity.

If the Japanese go it alone for engine and the plane itself, this is beneficial for Turkey. As it creates another engine manufacturer independent of GE/PW/RR. And there could be collaboration on subsystems with Japan and KAAN.

 

[hodor]

I'm hoping Starmer causes Japan to exit GCAP, as the Japanese are freaking out about delays to the program with the rise of Chinese 5th and 6th gen capacity.

If the Japanese go it alone for engine and the plane itself, this is beneficial for Turkey. As it creates another engine manufacturer independent of GE/PW/RR. And there could be collaboration on subsystems with Japan and KAAN.

Japanese can't act independently of the U.S. either; they wouldn't supply engines to a country that the U.S. disapproves of. However, if we're talking about the long term, I think we'll have perfected the TF35000 engine within the next 20 years.