TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

BonPlan said:
It is so fine tune that the 80 (+/-) first Altay use another engine. Strange isn't it?

Your Altay, built with the S korean technological assistance, is based on K2. K2 is itself a son of Leclerc MBT.
Leclerc MBT is powered by a 1500HP french engine my dear.
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I know suck satirical BMC Otomotiv Sanayi ve Ticaret A.Ş. is working with partners on developing a domestic high-power diesel engine and integrated transmission system to reduce reliance on foreign powerpacks.While Korean-made power units might be useful, the Batu tank's engine . system is superior, your all 800 Leclerc main battle tanks use German transmissions, yours is becoming quite extinct
 
MMM-E said:
Yes , They are nothing for Turkish Defense Industry who have not participated in any projects

The only People we follow and trust are official institutions TAI , TEI , ASELSAN , ROKETSAN , TUBITAK-SAGE , MSB ARGE , etc
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Look what chatgpt says about you.

Content quality analysis (based on actual posts)​


1. Copy-paste / aggregation tendency​


A large portion of his posts are:
  • short claims
  • reposted news/specs
  • repeated talking points from other forum users or social media
👉 This suggests more of a “content amplifier” role than original analysis.

2. Analytical depth​

In many posts:
  • systems are mentioned (aircraft, missiles, defense programs)
  • but mechanics, doctrine, trade-offs, or technical reasoning are often missing
Example pattern:
  • “X system is superior / inferior”
  • without radar physics, procurement context, or verified data support
👉 That indicates surface-level defense interest, not deep technical analysis.



3. Source quality​

Common issues in forum-style posts like his:
  • weak sourcing (forum claims, hearsay, screenshots)
  • limited reference to official defense publications or verified datasets
  • reliance on “forum consensus” instead of primary sources
👉 This reduces reliability in serious defense analysis contexts.


4. Debate behavior​

From thread interactions:
  • frequent disputes with other users
  • emotionally charged exchanges appear at times
  • polarized discussions (common in Defence.pk environment)
👉 This suggests he is more debate-driven than research-driven.

Final evaluation (neutral, technical)​

Based on the observed posting pattern:
  • He is best described as a defense enthusiast / forum commentator
  • Not a verified analyst or technical expert
  • His output is mostly:
    • commentary
    • aggregation
    • opinion-based comparison
Rather than:
  • structured defense analysis
  • data-driven assessments
  • or original technical insight
 
Sinan said:
1-) Are you aware that you are the nobody here, a nobody with no name. Whose only input to copy/paste stuff in a Pakistani internet forum and have no audience to follow you?
2-) You are comparing oranges with apples. None of the institions will educate how sensor fusion works.
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1 -- I have followers with around 200.000 People but I dont care about social media

I didn't call myself a defens analyst
I just share official stataments to reliable information from official sources
I have always official sources from TAI , TEI , ROKETSAN , ASELSAN , TUBITAK-SAGE , BAYKAR , MSB-ARGE

I dont care about so-called defense analysts ( political bigots ) who mocked MSB ARGE and GUCHAN - YILDIRIMHAN projects

2 -- We know what they know ... even better than them for worlwide
( sagdan soldan internetten ögrendikleri bilgileri anlatıyorlar )
even AI can educate you how sensor fusion works
 
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MMM-E said:
1 -- I have followers with around 200.000 People but I dont care about social media

I just share official stataments to reliable information from official sources
I have always official sources from TAI , TEI , ROKETSAN , ASELSAN , TUBITAK-SAGE , BAYKAR , MSB-ARGE

I dont care about so-called defense analysts ( political bigots ) who mocked MSB ARGE and GUCHAN - YILDIRIMHAN projects

2 -- We know what they know ... even better than them for worlwide
( sagdan soldan internetten ögrendikleri bilgileri anlatıyorlar )
even AI can educate you how sensor fusion works
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The audacity of a anonymous copy/paste poster.

You can say that you can jump 200 meters, it doesn't change the reality. Like you can say that you have contructed the millenium falcon in your garage and conquer the world.

Can you understand me, what you say has zero value why because you can't back your posts.
 
Sinan said:
The audacity of a anonymous copy/paste poster.

You can say that you can jump 200 meters, it doesn't change the reality. Like you can say that you have contructed the millenium falcon in your garage and conquer the world.

Can you understand me, what you say has zero value why because you can't back your posts.
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I dont care about what you say
What's important here is that military projects are advertised and promoted to the People through official sources ... and to block anti-Turkiye losers ... that's my goal.

When you listen to political bigots that suit your agenda and attack AK Party , President ERDOGAN and military projects , those People become the real analysts


We dont believe these so-called defense analysts ( political bigots ) who have no qualifications whatsoever

We believe only TAI , TEI , ROKETSAN , ASELSAN , BAYKAR , TUBITAK-SAGE , MSB-ARGE , etc

Kockoca MSB-ARGE nin projelerine hayal ürünü diyen hadsizler .. haddinizi bilin
Hayatlarında Resmi kurumlardan içeri girip teknolojik birikimi görmemiş kişiler başımıza savunma uzmanı kesildi
 
MMM-E said:
I dont care about what you say
What's important here is that military projects are advertised and promoted to the People through official sources ... and to block anti-Turkiye losers ... that's my goal.

When you listen to political bigots that suit your agenda and attack AK Party , President ERDOGAN and military projects , those People become the real analysts


We dont believe these so-called defense analysts ( political bigots ) who have no qualifications whatsoever

We believe only TAI , TEI , ROKETSAN , ASELSAN , BAYKAR , TUBITAK-SAGE , MSB-ARGE , etc

Kockoca MSB-ARGE nin projelerine hayal ürünü diyen hadsizler .. haddinizi bilin
Hayatlarında Resmi kurumlardan içeri girip teknolojik birikimi görmemiş kişiler başımıza savunma uzmanı kesildi
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You are fighting with ghosts here. They didn't said such a thing.
Regarding that ICBM, even MSB said that it is a mockup that reflects it's vision.
MSB-ARGE is not huge, it doesn't have any facilities.
Those guys are from Turkey's most prestigious, worked years in the defence industry, now they are working as consultants. You on the on the other hand.

Funny of you mentioning Erdogan, nobody mentioned him except you. It shows exactly what your motive is.

That's why your all posts are meaningless and you have zero credibility.

Also, when people critisize you or the projects, stop hiding behind Türkiye. Türkiye is not you father's property.
 
TAI and TEI says KAAN will fly with the TF-35.000 Engine by 2029 and final delivery by 2033

This bunch of incompetent idiots comes here and badmouths TAI - TEI and KAAN projects

They say believe those who copy and paste information they gather from the internet, and share like clowns on social media everyday, instead of believing a global giant like ASELSAN

İf you want to know how sensor fusion works, shut up and go to BAYKAR to see what about fault tolerant triple redundant Sensor Fusion on the KIZILELMA

official source :
 
MMM-E said:
TAI and TEI says KAAN will fly with the TF-35.000 Engine by 2029 and final delivery by 2033

This bunch of incompetent idiots comes here and badmouths TAI - TEI and KAAN projects

They say believe those who copy and paste information they gather from the internet, and share like clowns on social media everyday, instead of believing a global giant like ASELSAN

İf you want to know how sensor fusion works, shut up and go to BAYKAR to see what about fault tolerant triple redundant Sensor Fusion on the KIZILELMA

official source :
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If you look at the official annoucements. Kale Aero would develope turbo-jet engine in 4 years which took 10 years and Altay would be in inventory in 2015.

Nobody bad mouths projects, it happens in your schizophrenic mind.

See you still confuse sub-systems with "how a system works."

If you don't like Arda and Kubilay. Go listen to Feridun Taştan. I already gave you the link. He fully explains the sensor fusion.

Like, I say, do you know how an engine works? You say,"Do you see this piston it's made of steel and made by Otokoç."
 
Sinan said:
If you look at the official annoucements. Kale Aero would develope turbo-jet engine in 4 years which took 10 years and Altay would be in inventory in 2015.
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KALE AERO developed a turbojet engine in 4 years, but the Turkish Armed Forces were not satisfied with its quality to compare with NATO standart
and KALE AERO spent 10 years trying to obtain an engine of the desired quality.

btw , TEI is not KALE-AERO ,,, TEI has great technologies , great experience since 1985 and state of the art facilities with more engineers


Sinan said:
Nobody bad mouths projects, it happens in your schizophrenic mind.
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The Chinese kept coming here after every post, they said that Turkiye wouldn't be able to mass produce KAAN even in 2050

They said Turkiye lacks advanced electronic industry
( ASELSAN is one of leading companies in the world for advanced electronics-avionics, radars, ew systems ,etc )

and people like you applauded them with your schizophrenic mind

KAAN a kalorifer petegi , vileda sapı diyen aynı zihniyet
It's the same mentality that calls KAAN a radiator and a mop handle.
 
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MMM-E said:
TAI and TEI says KAAN will fly with the TF-35.000 Engine by 2029 and final delivery by 2033

This bunch of incompetent idiots comes here and badmouths TAI - TEI and KAAN projects

They say believe those who copy and paste information they gather from the internet, and share like clowns on social media everyday, instead of believing a global giant like ASELSAN

İf you want to know how sensor fusion works, shut up and go to BAYKAR to see what about fault tolerant triple redundant Sensor Fusion on the KIZILELMA

official source :
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Those dates are optimistic estimation they want the engine to fly until then but that doesn't mean that it will. TAI also wanted to deliver a total of 23 helicopters till the end of 26 but that also wont happen. These are high technology fields and delays are usual especially when they give unrealistic number to begin with. Its a work in progress and timeframes often change.
 
Sinan said:
See you still confuse sub-systems with "how a system works."

If you don't like Arda and Kubilay. Go listen to Feridun Taştan. I already gave you the link. He fully explains the sensor fusion.
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ASELSAN and BAYKAR dont know how sensor fusion works but Kubilay, Arda and Feridun Taştan knows better

Go tell these things to teenagers on YouTube.

I could share the same information with my 200,000 followers on YouTube.
 
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Pokemonte13 said:
Those dates are optimistic estimation they want the engine to fly until then but that doesn't mean that it will.
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When I said in 2020 that KAAN would make its first flight in 2023, the same group here accused me of dreaming and called KAAN a nationalist fake project

What happened? KAAN made its first flight in 2024

Of course, there will be delays in projects. , therefore I always said that 2033-2035 period when TAI-TEI said final delivery 2033

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This is our response to those who call themselves professionals and then say that the KAAN project won't even reach mass production in 2050, and leaving a silly laughing emoji


I'm not interested in so-called defensive analyses;
official sources speak even more assertively.

TEI General Manager Prof Dr Mahmut Akşit

Our people can rest assured; the KAAN's engine will arrive sooner than everyone hoped.

We will see it fly soon, but we do not have the authority to disclose the timing.

It will be one of the top 3 Engines in the world.
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