TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[mulj]

The success of this project will be determined by the availability of the jet engine

If turkey can build that reliable engine and TF35000 come deliver those results that I promised then this project can be successful

We have to wait another few years maybe 2030

prototype with ignition test should come around next year, so probably your time frame for serial production is realistic or if pushed harder even 2027-8.

 

[UKBengali]

I think that they are on better path now of their own one.
slower one? yes, but with tremendous internal and external strategic implications.

Maybe.

It depends when it is ready for mass production.

China with decades of building turbojets and then turbofans needed around 3 decades to get its fifth generation WS-15 into production.

In the meantime, US has full control of the KAAN programme as it is the sole supplier of the engine.

 

[mulj]

Maybe.

It depends when it is ready for mass production.

China with decades of building turbojets and then turbofans needed around 3 decades to get its fifth generation WS-15 into production.

In the meantime, US has full control of the KAAN programme as it is the sole supplier of the engine.

i think modern tools and machinery shortened time significantly for development significantly and when you obtain proper machinery only know how and testing remains to consume much time and turks are already there.

yes and that is why they frantically work on their own.

 

[UKBengali]

i think modern tools and machinery shortened time significantly for development significantly and when you obtain proper machinery only know how and testing remains to consume much time and turks are already there.

yes and that is why they frantically work on their own.

Creating the correct materials for the turbine blades is more an art than science.

It takes years if not decades of experimentation to get the optimum formula. That is why it took China 30 years to get it right and remember they had the 4th generation WS-10 in actual service(J-11b) by 2009 - a full 14 years before mass production of WS-15.

Anyway, no one will sell you their cutting edge equipment to create these blades.

 

[xbat]

First local engines planned to handover in 2028 but these engines will be used to integration, first flight takes at least one more additonal year. However this is a military engine so it doesnt have to get long processing civilian certificates.

 

[UKBengali]

First local engines planned to handover in 2028 but these engines will be used to integration, first flight takes at least one more additonal year. However this is a military engine so it doesnt have to get long processing civilian certificates.

The other thing in KAAN's favour is that it is dual engine and so Turkey can afford lower reliability than if it was a single engine plane.

When China installed WS-10A on J-11b all the way back in 2009, it needed overhaul every 30 hours but I am sure that KAAN's engine won't be anywhere near as low as this.

 

[xbat]

TEI has finished TS1400 turboshaft engine, its lifespan is same with honeywell engine, i dont expect a low life engine for KAAN.

 

[xbat]

KAAN parts, titanium bulkhead , the most important part of the fuselage.

 

[Khanivore]

TEI has finished TS1400 turboshaft engine, its lifespan is same with honeywell engine, i dont expect a low life engine for KAAN.

Any news if this engine is being tested on the T129?

 

[Deino]

TEI has finished TS1400 turboshaft engine, its lifespan is same with honeywell engine, i dont expect a low life engine for KAAN.

Guys ... you cannot compare a turboshaft on that power-output-level with a high-performance engine like the one aimed for Kaan!

I really do not understand why you guys always think "a bit working internationally on this and that engine", some own research and investment and getting help from others could solve issues on a lever, other nations with much more experience are still facing!°? And you guys dream that not only all goes fine in a much shorter timespan, but also that it surpasses everything comparable!

 

[xbat]

Any news if this engine is being tested on the T129?

the lisence agreement with A. Westland will expire in 2028 TA will not continue to make this helicopter . so it is useless to test and integration a new engine on T129.

Turkey has 6 ton T629 and 9 ton T929 attack heli projects. T629 will use TEI TS1400 engine but there is no urgent need of this helicopters. TA will finish KAAN and then will continue to T629. T929 is still in progress but very slow, the engineering power is busy with T925 general purpose heli.

Turkey has about 100 attack helicopter , this makes the largest and younger fleet of region except Russia.

 

[xbat]

Guys ... you cannot compare a turboshaft on that power-output-level with a high-performance engine like the one aimed for Kaan!

I really do not understand why you guys always think "a bit working internationally on this and that engine", some own research and investment and getting help from others could solve issues on a lever, other nations with much more experience are still facing!°? And you guys dream that not only all goes fine in a much shorter timespan, but also that it surpasses everything comparable!

because we aim the best! proof is here, newly developed 35km laser illumunater , 12mp daylight camera , the best in its class

 

[altafahmed]

Flight control software is updated in stages, very painstakingly using an approach called gain. It requires hundreds of flights to even explore a quarter of the test points across the envelope.

Just having 2 flights in the entire year means that the FBW FCS has hardly been updated or tested at all.

This was clearly a political thing, they wanted to get it up in the air as per the political directive. Otherwise if there is a heavily modified P1 that is supposed to represent the more production ready KAAN, then they should have simply waited for it to be ready and then carried out it's test flights.

Maybe they had done the job well on first try, yes there will be a lot to improve though.

 

[xbat]

KAANs FBW system is the modified one from HURJET. It is constantly improves as the other projects around the world.

KAAN will get a shorter body a little bit, from nose and horizontal stabilizer, that is what i read from various sources. main body stays same.
Radar nose will be smaller because aselsan make the radar more compact as we see on f16. Previous calculations showed a certain radar size but new improvements proved smaller antenna can do the same, there is limit for radar called electrical power! So this is logical

 

[Deino]

because we aim the best! proof is here, newly developed 35km laser illumunater , 12mp daylight camera , the best in its class

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And that’s the reason, we can be sure, Your not yet even tested engine will be the best!?