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The KLJ7A was originally intended to be a budget alternative, focusing more on price than performance.

When no country is offering you a AESA radar then the budget friendly option becomes , Next generation option for your country and you put maximum amount of money to make it high performance

During 1980's Pakistan asked many times for AWACs and Refuellers
both request were rejected

We were always sold , tech with limitation missing important elements for a complete solution.

Pakistan only bridged the gaps by attaining both AWACs and Refuellers from other sources


Same with AESA , it was acquired from China
 
This passage is from an interview with the KLJ-7A designer. Note the last sentence.

The technical level is comparable to that of the F-22 fighter's radar.

According to Xu Jian, it utilizes advanced solid-state active phased array radar technology and can be equipped on medium and light fighters. Its primary combat missions include seizing air superiority, destroying and suppressing enemy battlefield targets, and eliminating enemy manpower; assaulting maritime targets and coordinating naval operations; and disrupting deep-lying political, economic, and military targets.

Xu Jian said that for KLJ-7A to be effective, the radar must first be installed on the aircraft. For newly built fighter jets, since the use of active radar is taken into consideration during the design, there is usually no major problem. However, for those modified aircraft, it is much more troublesome. Active radar has high requirements for power supply and cooling. To modify the radar, it is necessary to make local adjustments to the aircraft. A major advantage of the KLJ-7A is its low power consumption. Its power supply and cooling unit can also adapt to the different cooling methods of liquid cooling and air cooling of existing aircraft.

Customers can put forward their requirements based on actual conditions, and the 14th Institute can even tailor-make a special small liquid cooling unit for them. Overall, the KLJ-7A has a compact structure and is very adaptable to aircraft platforms.

As the core of the radar, the KLJ-7A on display has more than a thousand T/R components. Although the radar has low power consumption, its overall power is at a relatively high level internationally. Xu Jian stated that all of these T/R modules were independently developed and produced by the 14th Institute, and their performance is comparable to that of foreign counterparts. This enables the KLJ-7A to achieve reliable search and multi-target tracking, air-to-ground and air-to-sea target search and tracking, and high-resolution synthetic aperture imaging capabilities. It can be interconnected with weapon fire control to guide advanced air-to-air missiles, and coordinate the launch and delivery of aircraft guns, combat missiles, rockets and bombs to achieve simultaneous precision strikes on multiple air-to-air targets and air-to-surface targets.

Xu Jian emphasized that as a radar system with the latest technology, the KLJ-7A radar has been comprehensively optimized in all aspects compared with traditional radars. It can easily emit a variety of waveforms to engage different types of targets; the radar has a high degree of freedom and a wider bandwidth, and the radars will not interfere with each other. At the same time, the anti-interference ability has also been greatly improved, and it can deal with multiple interference sources at the same time; the use of optical fiber to transmit information greatly improves the overall response speed; the detection distance is twice that of traditional radar. It can simultaneously track multiple targets and guide strikes. This depends primarily on the aircraft's payload capacity, though there is room for improvement if the payload allows.

In addition, the KLJ-7A also has powerful high-gain electronic support capabilities, electronic countermeasures, terrain avoidance, communications, and weather detection functions. It can be said that its multi-purpose capabilities are very outstanding, such as electronic countermeasures.

Xu Jian also specifically mentioned the high reliability and maintainability of the KLJ-7A. The radar's mean time between failures is very long, and the radar can perform self-inspections without opening the radome. Even if a malfunction occurs, repair is extremely convenient, with its plug-in design allowing ground crew to complete disassembly and installation in 10-15 minutes. When talking about the position of KLJ-7A compared with foreign products, Xu Jian said that the technical details of KLJ-7A can match the APG-77 radar used by F-22, and its design is as advanced as theirs. But we pay more attention to cost control and have a higher cost-effectiveness.
 
First of all great post. Thanks. However, i think PRF differences (100 kHz for air-cooled vs. 300 kHz for liquid-cooled) is confusing. what i heard is that PRF is not directly tied to cooling type but to radar design, waveform, and mission requirements (e.g., range vs. velocity resolution). Correct me if i am wrong.

It is (highest PRF achieved) technically tied to radar design and processing capabilities. However, (while keeping the pulse width same) if you increase PRF from 100kHz to 300kHz, It increases average power by threefold. Hence increasing the heast waste and the need for cooling proportionally. Here air cooled AESA is usually restricted. One example that I gave is that APG-83 assumed to have 100kHz as upper limited (i read it in a paper) even though it share 90%+ hardware and software similarity with APG-81. (Which said to be able to operate at 300kHz PRF at highest, though, in real world as you pointed out, operating modes and mission requirements dictate Performance perimeter at any given moment.)

I think the formula and 45% is wrong. The radar range is proportional to the fourth root of the transmitted power, which scales with the number of T/R modules (approximately linearly). The correct simplified form would be (1650/1000)^(1/4), yielding ~1.13 (13% range increase), not 1.45 (45%). The cube in the formula is erroneous and inflates the range difference. Again correct me if i am wrong here as well.

Need to take some time to disscus this later in depth. This is an interesting topic.
 
This is public information. That's all I can post. We want everyone to post all sensitive details here. That's not possible. Read all 3 of my posts above 2-3 times. You'll find a lot of data in them.

The KLJ-7A airborne active phased array radar (AESA) weighs only 120 kilograms and is equipped with more than 1,000 transmit/receive modules (TRM). The radar cross section (RCS) provides a maximum range of 170-200 kilometers for a target of 5 square meters, and can track 15 targets and engage 4 targets at the same time.

Pakistan has decided to use KLJ-7A radar to upgrade the JF-17 Xiaolong fighter, and the "Block III" of the Xiaolong fighter will also install the KLJ-7A airborne active phased array radar.

According to the total design of the radar, the technical level of the KLJ-7A has no generation difference with the APG-77 radar of the F-22, and the functional level is similar to the AN/APG-81 radar of the F-35.



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I just checked it out on the Chinese website. It seems your statement refers to the J-10C's radar. According to the Chinese website, the J-10C's radar is reportedly 1400TR module.. The Block 3, on the other hand, uses a 1000 TR module.. So now I understand why many people on this forum are claiming the J-10C's radar range is less than 200 km. They're applying Block 3 data to the J-10C.
In addition, the current technical data of this radar is to track 30 targets at the same time and guide the attack of 6 targets at the same time.
The picture below is the display board of No. 14 at the Zhuhai Air Show.
 

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It is (highest PRF achieved) technically tied to radar design and processing capabilities. However, (while keeping the pulse width same) if you increase PRF from 100kHz to 300kHz, It increases average power by threefold. Hence increasing the heast waste and the need for cooling proportionally. Here air cooled AESA is usually restricted. One example that I gave is that APG-83 assumed to have 100kHz as upper limited (i read it in a paper) even though it share 90%+ hardware and software similarity with APG-81. (Which said to be able to operate at 300kHz PRF at highest, though, in real world as you pointed out, operating modes and mission requirements dictate Performance perimeter at any given moment.)



Need to take some time to disscus this later in depth. This is an interesting topic.
yes that make sense.. Thank you for your time
 
I just checked it out on the Chinese website. It seems your statement refers to the J-10C's radar. According to the Chinese website, the J-10C's radar is reportedly 1400TR module.. The Block 3, on the other hand, uses a 1000 TR module.. So now I understand why many people on this forum are claiming the J-10C's radar range is less than 200 km. They're applying Block 3 data to the J-10C.
In addition, the current technical data of this radar is to track 30 targets at the same time and guide the attack of 6 targets at the same time.
The picture below is the display board of No. 14 at the Zhuhai Air Show.

The topic was the technology set, not TR modules. Gallium Nitride based radar technology is used in J-17, J-10C, F-22 and F-35 with obvious differences in ranges and specs of these aircrafts. It's a Gen-2 technology for AESA radars.

Someone was claiming that F-22 and F-35 use Gallium Arsenide based technology and that's false. Gallium Arsenide is Gen-1 AESA tech and is used in Rafale's. So Rafale is a generation behind the technology set used in JF-17 and J-10C.

Now China has gone a generation ahead and is using Gallium Arsenide in J-20 and J-35. This is the current latest technology set. Yes, I was aware that JF-17 has 1000 TR but that's irrelevant for the topic.
 
The topic was the technology set, not TR modules. Gallium Nitride based radar technology is used in J-17, J-10C, F-22 and F-35 with obvious differences in ranges and specs of these aircrafts. It's a Gen-2 technology for AESA radars.

Someone was claiming that F-22 and F-35 use Gallium Arsenide based technology and that's false. Gallium Arsenide is Gen-1 AESA tech and is used in Rafale's. So Rafale is a generation behind the technology set used in JF-17 and J-10C.

Now China has gone a generation ahead and is using Gallium Arsenide in J-20 and J-35. This is the current latest technology set. Yes, I was aware that JF-17 has 1000 TR but that's irrelevant for the topic.
The red line in the image below the post above is the Chinese text "equivalent to the F-35 radar." This is the official promotional image of the 14th Institute.
 
The red line in the image below the post above is the Chinese text "equivalent to the F-35 radar." This is the official promotional image of the 14th Institute.

Yes, I've read the Chinese specs, which is what I explained in my lengthy posts above. But a few on here don't care to understand technical details. JF-17, J-10C's technology set is the same as F-22 and F-35, while the later two will have differences in ranges, configuration and comingling with other sensors.
 
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When no country is offering you a AESA radar then the budget friendly option becomes , Next generation option for your country and you put maximum amount of money to make it high performance

During 1980's Pakistan asked many times for AWACs and Refuellers
both request were rejected

We were always sold , tech with limitation missing important elements for a complete solution.

Pakistan only bridged the gaps by attaining both AWACs and Refuellers from other sources


Same with AESA , it was acquired from China
 

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