Train's of india !

[Nimble]

Kashmir to Kanyakumari 4 days journey on Himsagar Express...

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[Oscar]

That's very reductive of the efforts of the Indian Railways, if we were to compare the amount of track laid per square kilometre and trains per capita post 1947 India was only slightly better than Pakistan.
If anything pakistan was in a better position to exploit the groundwork laid by the British, you quite literally had to just follow the Indus, just 1 single straight line compared to India where we had to solve a jigsaw puzzle.

Same with Srilanka Even though their train infra was lower it still crossed all major population and economic centers



Never said it's not archaic just that compared to rest of the subcontinent it's way far ahead.
Not sure what makes you think it's not a connectivity option for every economic class, when excluded for the top 1% who can afford air travel it caters to every economic class

On A train from jaipur to Delhi you are guaranteed to meet a person from every economic class.
Poor in General Bogies, Lower Middle class in sleeper Bogies upper middle class in 3rd AC Bogies and Upper Class in 1st & 2nd AC Bogies



There is no way a person who can afford to travel by air will use railways regularly, because airlines have way different strength that railways and unless India has extensive Bullet Train that's just a pipe dream.

But how is the effort in Pakistan relevant to that in India?

Bragging that Indian Railways is “slightly better” than Pakistan and Sri Lanka isn’t the flex you think it is.

Congrats on outperforming a chronically mismanaged state and an island recovering from total bankruptcy. Have some sweets.

Using the excuse that Pakistan had an easy “straight line along the Indus” to justify why India’s massive network is still deeply inefficient is just plain lazy “Look at yourself” whataboutism.

You’re grading against the absolute worst in the region on the most generous curve imaginable just to avoid admitting the system is stuck in the past.

As for this romanticized, Bollywood-esque image of all economic classes joyriding together from Jaipur to Delhi…give me a break!

Packing the working class like sardines into unreserved bogies while the wealthy lock themselves behind the doors of 1st AC isn’t some beautiful triumph of egalitarian connectivity if you’re painting that picture.

Metropolis called from 1927 - its called extreme wealth disparity.
And while you’re busy writing poetry about the sleeper class good old uncle Sundar tells me:

Just this past year, nearly 3.4 crore passengers couldn’t even travel because their waitlisted tickets never confirmed. The ones who actually made it on board are crawling to their destinations on a network where regular express trains average a pathetic 40 to 55 km/h. Even the highly marketed Vande Bharat struggles to maintain an 83 km/h average.

You even admitted yourself that anyone who can afford a flight will ditch the train in a heartbeat. If people only use a system because they are financially locked out of better alternatives then its “necessity is the mother of monopoly”.

Then you went ahead to dismissing true modernization like high speed rail as a “pipe dream” so you’re proving you’ve fully surrendered to the very mediocrity you’re trying so desperately to defend.

No one is denying that moving the volume of people Indian Railways handles every day is a monumental task. You have every right to respect the sheer logistical scale of that operation. But respecting the scale shouldn’t mean romanticizing the misery of the general compartments or making geographical excuses for decades of stagnation. You don’t have to constantly defend the indefensible just to prove your patriotism.

If you can stop with dick measuring for being merely “better than Pakistan” and actually start demanding the world class infrastructure a modernizing regional to superpower aspirant country deserves, we’ll be standing on the exact same side of this argument.

 

[Michael]

There is no way a person who can afford to travel by air will use railways regularly, because airlines have way different strength that railways and unless India has extensive Bullet Train that's just a pipe dream.

According to big data statistics from China, a comparison of actual travel times between high-speed rail and air travel reveals the following:

Within 800km, high-speed rail has a significant time advantage;
Within 800-1200km, high-speed rail and air travel are roughly equivalent, with considerable fluctuations in specific times, indicating fierce competition between the two;
Beyond 1200km, air travel has a significant time advantage.

Note that this analysis is based on the operating speed of China's high-speed rail.

From a cost perspective: High-speed rail ticket prices in China are relatively fixed, while airfares fluctuate greatly, making precise analysis impossible.

However, most of the time, when the distance between two locations exceeds 1200km, airfares are highly likely to be lower than high-speed rail fares. The greater the distance, the more pronounced the price advantage of airfares becomes.

 

[onlinpunit]

Soon very soon ! Monsoon is entering by 5th June !

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[peacemaker99]

New airport style train station being tested in bangalore. Things are going quite well. Basis success This is being replicated across all rail stations 8n india. This is how all rail stations will look like as they are redeveloped

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[peacemaker99]

According to big data statistics from China, a comparison of actual travel times between high-speed rail and air travel reveals the following:

Within 800km, high-speed rail has a significant time advantage;
Within 800-1200km, high-speed rail and air travel are roughly equivalent, with considerable fluctuations in specific times, indicating fierce competition between the two;
Beyond 1200km, air travel has a significant time advantage.

Note that this analysis is based on the operating speed of China's high-speed rail.

From a cost perspective: High-speed rail ticket prices in China are relatively fixed, while airfares fluctuate greatly, making precise analysis impossible.

However, most of the time, when the distance between two locations exceeds 1200km, airfares are highly likely to be lower than high-speed rail fares. The greater the distance, the more pronounced the price advantage of airfares becomes.

Its not about time. When uou have choked air corridoors, shifting people to hsr means you spend money on infra and jobs istead of burning all that cash in aviation fuel.

 

[Lionheart]

Bragging that Indian Railways is “slightly better” than Pakistan and Sri Lanka isn’t the flex you think it is.

To be fair, he said Indian railways was slightly better to begin with, after the partition. Now there is massive difference in the capacity and facilities.

Just this past year, nearly 3.4 crore passengers couldn’t even travel because their waitlisted tickets never confirmed.

Last year 741 crore passengers travelled by Indian railways. As per your claim, less than 5% didn't get the tickets. Patients, students, ladies, armed forces have their own quota and mostly do secure a reservation.

Packing the working class like sardines into unreserved bogies while the wealthy lock themselves behind the doors of 1st AC isn’t some beautiful triumph of egalitarian connectivity if you’re painting that picture.

Only general class bogeys are unreserved.
Rest all classes (sleeper class, 3 tier AC, 2 tier AC, 1st AC, AC chair car) are fully reserved in advance with provisions of emergency bookings quota. Most newer trains have only reserved seats.
I don't know how abstract is your painting style, but your claim is not factually correct.

The ones who actually made it on board are crawling to their destinations on a network where regular express trains average a pathetic 40 to 55 km/h. Even the highly marketed Vande Bharat struggles to maintain an 83 km/h average.

Very true. Capex though huge is still inadequate due to sheer size of the rail network. Honestly till 1990s, IR was a social welfare organisation where most of the budget was spent on the vast employee base with little overall progress in modernization.

In addition, shared track utilisation by different speed trains will continue to be a bottle neck till all trains are converted to semi high speed with tracks allowing higher speeds.

Still, ther is a definite improvement in the speed of the trains over last 15 years.

Let's give 10 more years to them. Things have started gaining momentum.

Then you went ahead to dismissing true modernization like high speed rail as a “pipe dream” so you’re proving you’ve fully surrendered to the very mediocrity you’re trying so desperately to defend.

Hopefully he doesn't hold a higher position in IR. Otherwise his surrender may be counted as official!

Recently, the significant push is towards increasing capacity of good transport. IR is now second largest rail freight transporter after china moving 1.6 billion tonnes cargo in last year. Dedicated freight corridors have helped / will help in moving huge amount of cargo and decongesting common tracks also used by passanger trains. This will result in increased speed of the passanger trains.


Now, if you allow, let's go back to the eye pleasing scenery of beautiful routes of IR!

 

[Oscar]

Last year 741 crore passengers travelled by Indian railways. As per your claim, less than 5% didn't get the tickets. Patients, students, ladies, armed forces have their own quota and mostly do secure a reservation.



Only general class bogeys are unreserved.
Rest all classes (sleeper class, 3 tier AC, 2 tier AC, 1st AC, AC chair car) are fully reserved in advance with provisions of emergency bookings quota. Most newer trains have only reserved seats.
I don't know how abstract is your painting style, but your claim is not factually correct.

My painting style is pretty impressionist - since the abstract would be wasting time on what is reserved vs unreserved instead of talking to the class divide but to each their own eye.

 

[onlinpunit]

My painting style is pretty impressionist - since the abstract would be wasting time on what is reserved vs unreserved instead of talking to the class divide but to each their own eye.

It's a simple matter of demand and supply. There are more travelers than available seats. The obvious solution is to increase the number of trains, but the basic infrastructure is barely adequate to support the existing services. A massive infrastructure overhaul is urgently needed.
The silver lining is projects such as the Dedicated Freight Corridor (DFC), closed-loop regional transit systems like the Delhi--Meerut RRTS, and, to some extent, the new expressways. These projects will certainly help take some load off the existing rail network.

 

[RescueRanger]

The Forever Lost Beauty of Nilambur Railway station ( kerala). The brutal toll of upgradation ! View attachment 196230View attachment 196231View attachment 196229

Beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Lionheart]

My painting style is pretty impressionist - since the abstract would be wasting time on what is reserved vs unreserved instead of talking to the class divide but to each their own eye.

My painting style is pretty impressionist

since the abstract would be wasting time on what is reserved vs unreserved instead of talking to the class divide but to each their own eye.

My bad.
But then, as the thread is on Indian railways, commenting on class divide of the community would be considered tangential thinking and possibly off topic depending on the interpretation of the forum rules.
I hope the Mods do not think so.

 

[Nimble]

Proper video of India's almost endless 4.5 kms long freight train RUDRASTRA with multiple engines.... ohh my god imagine the goods carrying capacity....

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[peacemaker99]

Vande bharat connects kashmir to delhi in less than 12 hours and many trios evrtyday

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[Michael]

Dedicated freight corridoor that we built to compete with china now carries double decker trains.

I wanted to remain polite and avoid engaging in the discussion in an overly subjective and rude manner.

But often, your thought processes are truly laughable, more ignorant than idiots!

Do you know why so many countries around the world don't promote double-decker freight trains? Is it because they can't learn India's "magical technology"? ------ Even more astonishing is that you actually use this to compete with China.

 

[peacemaker99]

I wanted to remain polite and avoid engaging in the discussion in an overly subjective and rude manner.

But often, your thought processes are truly laughable, more ignorant than idiots!

Do you know why so many countries around the world don't promote double-decker freight trains? Is it because they can't learn India's "magical technology"? ------ Even more astonishing is that you actually use this to compete with China.

Drink less cow piss!

Dedicated freight corridoor was created with explicit purpose of reducing manufacturing lgistics cost by running trains for only freight. Dedicated freight corridoor was designed to promote manufacturing by reducing logistics cost to help compete with countries like china.

So what i said was right. What you said was wrong.

What you said was stupid. Because youre a stupid man,

Let me repeat. What you said was stupid. Because youre a stupid man.

What you said was stupid.