Train's of india !

[onlinpunit]

what do you mean "rest of the subcontinent"? A majority of trains in India are still very below par. It starts with capacity management : we have probably the largest commuter and event-travel base yet most commuter and event capacities are a fraction of what they should be.

Is the Mumbai suburban train fit for use by anyone other than very strong youth? The crush has been unchanged for decades now.

Is there a single event for which public can seamlessly reserve and travel in comfort? A large fraction of them are invaded by unreserved ticket holders making travel with family hellish

Except the highly staffed and controlled Vandhe Bharat trains, is there any one train that you can use the toilet without stopping breathing ?

Is there one railway police or guard that will take responsibility for keeping the station safe or the compartment clean ?

This has nothing to do with poverty. We lack sense of hygiene , and we lack personal integrity

Mumbai Suburban Rail is having a decent makeover very soon..
AC locals and Non AC ones with locked doors. ( Not much but won't be a death trap at least !).

 

[Blueishere]

Vande Bharat Express - the mighty himalayas in the Background!
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The scenery and train design slightly resembles Japan in a way. Is this HSR?Are these type of trains just for north or for all of India?

 

[onlinpunit]

The scenery and train design slightly resembles Japan in a way. Is this HSR?Are these type of trains just for north or for all of India?

These are semi high speed train ( max 160-180 km/h) known as Vande Bharat trains. These are Self-Propelled trains. Hence No separate locomotive; engines are integrated into the coaches.
The trains are in service all over india. Total 165 Sets so far..

The actual Japanese inspired ones are HSR Bullet Trains. Currently the construction is in progress for Mumbai- Ahemdabad Route..

 

[peacemaker99]

The scenery and train design slightly resembles Japan in a way. Is this HSR?Are these type of trains just for north or for all of India?

These are a new series of semi high speed rails that will replace most indian passenger rails over time. They are designed and built entirely in india

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[Blueishere]

These are semi high speed train ( max 160-180 km/h) known as Vande Bharat trains. These are Self-Propelled trains. Hence No separate locomotive; engines are integrated into the coaches.
The trains are in service all over india. Total 165 Sets so far..

The actual Japanese inspired ones are HSR Bullet Trains. Currently the construction is in progress for Mumbai- Ahemdabad Route..

Do these run on the old rail? Or is there a new one, what’s the cost breakdown of it?

 

[onlinpunit]

Do these run on the old rail? Or is there a new one, what’s the cost breakdown of it?

These trains run on the old existing rails only.
Only the upcoming HSR will have dedicated Tracks..

 

[peacemaker99]

These trains run on the old existing rails only.
Only the upcoming HSR will have dedicated Tracks..

I think the old tracks will be replaced with some fifferent materials over time

 

[peacemaker99]

So this is the facility making the latest hsr train sets. This facility is the biggest rail coach factory in the world

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[onlinpunit]

I think the old tracks will be replaced with some fifferent materials over time

Yeah. That will increase the speed to near 200km/h.

 

[Proud Thamizhan]

I have reasonable explanation and replies for every misguided bullshit you just said, but it's very clear from the tone of your post that you are not in the right state of mind to have a debate so I won't waste my breath either.

If you were in your right state of mind you would see that I explicitly said Indian trains aren't good either,
Additionally I was talking about the quality of actual trains and signalling infra not how competent railway management is (all your criticisms boil down to bad management, when that isn't what I was even talking about)

relax. You did talk about condition of trains ("dilapidated" ) and over crowding. anyway I have no interest in proving or disproving anything about you. Be well.

 

[Proud Thamizhan]

Mumbai Suburban Rail is having a decent makeover very soon..
AC locals and Non AC ones with locked doors. ( Not much but won't be a death trap at least !).
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the closing door is an important step.
Regular cleaning & painting does help.
I'm curious about effect of the metro lines in Mumbai - have they significantly reduced the bone crushing peak times on the suburban trains. They must do something about that crowding

 

[onlinpunit]

the closing door is an important step.
Regular cleaning & painting does help.
I'm curious about effect of the metro lines in Mumbai - have they significantly reduced the bone crushing peak times on the suburban trains. They must do something about that crowding

Mumbai has way too many people.! The public transportation will always be bone crunching.

 

[peacemaker99]

Mumbai has way too many people.! The public transportation will always be bone crunching.

Jakarta has more ppl snd does a decent job

 

[Oscar]

I know this is not the right thread and Indian trains aren't a world class either by any means

but why are trains in the rest of the subcontinent in such a dilapidated condition, they quite literally look like death boxes on wheels
Given the fact that they would one of the most important means of mass transport in any poor country

I was watching a train YouTuber who took a train across pakistan in premium class and my mind raced back to 2000s India
Same case with Sri Lankan Railway (which was somehow even worse, having personally travelled on one)
Haven't seen much of Bangladeshi Railway but barring few trains they too seem overcrowded and profoundly unsafe (people travelling overhead, 1950s signalling infra etc)

Your opinions @Oscar @Prince_ @El Sidd

The indian rail network is a success story that took advantage of what the British did. It is interesting that while the infrastructure exists and various efforts (with fruits) have been made to modernize it - it is still archaic in many ways and does not take advantage of its reach to really become a connectivity option apart for every economic class instead of a percentage.

If anything, it has better potential for coverage and traveller experience than Indian airlines which are always reliant on combustible fuels to provide service where if the Chinese example is taken and India focuses on non-fossil fuel sources its rail network can continue to function even under a full oil crisis

 

[Faceless]

The indian rail network is a success story that took advantage of what the British did.

That's very reductive of the efforts of the Indian Railways, if we were to compare the amount of track laid per square kilometre and trains per capita post 1947 India was only slightly better than Pakistan.
If anything pakistan was in a better position to exploit the groundwork laid by the British, you quite literally had to just follow the Indus, just 1 single straight line compared to India where we had to solve a jigsaw puzzle.

Same with Srilanka Even though their train infra was lower it still crossed all major population and economic centers

It is interesting that while the infrastructure exists and various efforts (with fruits) have been made to modernize it - it is still archaic in many ways and does not take advantage of its reach to really become a connectivity option apart for every economic class instead of a percentage.

Never said it's not archaic just that compared to rest of the subcontinent it's way far ahead.
Not sure what makes you think it's not a connectivity option for every economic class, when excluded for the top 1% who can afford air travel it caters to every economic class

On A train from jaipur to Delhi you are guaranteed to meet a person from every economic class.
Poor in General Bogies, Lower Middle class in sleeper Bogies upper middle class in 3rd AC Bogies and Upper Class in 1st & 2nd AC Bogies

If anything, it has better potential for coverage and traveller experience than Indian airlines which are always reliant on combustible fuels to provide service where if the Chinese example is taken and India focuses on non-fossil fuel sources its rail network can continue to function even under a full oil crisis

There is no way a person who can afford to travel by air will use railways regularly, because airlines have way different strength that railways and unless India has extensive Bullet Train that's just a pipe dream.