Turkey Said to Seek Membership of Saudi-Pakistan Defense Pact

Meengla said:
Starting to watch this fascinating Israeli perspective related to this thread; so far, it looks Israelis are concerned about any Turkey-Saudi Arabia-Pakistan defense alliance.

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Almost finished watching. It seems like these Israelis are in denial: They are framing the alliance in Shia-Sunni split but they should have known that Pakistan, even during the 1980s, didn't take sides in the Iran-Iraq war and that Pakistan continued to recognize the Assad govt of Syria despite Pakistan's deep ties with KSA and Turkey. And these analysts barely mentioned the Israeli folly / hubris of attacking Qatar a few months ago, which is a catalyst for some of the new alliances we are seeing in the Middle East.

Anyway, a fascinating video which places various actors in the Middle East and America's long term role in the region from an Israeli perspective.
 
Pakistan-Saudi-Turkiye defence deal in pipeline, minister confirms

Defence Production Minister Raza Hayat Harraj has said that Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkiye have prepared a draft defence agreement after nearly a year ‌of talks, a signal that they could be seeking a ⁠bulwark against a flare-up of regional violence in the last two years.

Harraj told Reuters a day ago the potential deal between the three regional powers was separate from a bilateral Saudi-Pakistani defence deal announced last year. A final consensus between the three states is needed ⁠to complete the deal, he said.

"The Pakistan-Saudi Arabia-Turkiye trilateral agreement is something that is already in pipeline," Harraj said in an interview. "The draft agreement is already available ‌with us. The draft agreement is already with ⁠Saudi Arabia. The draft agreement is already available with Turkiye. And all three countries are deliberating. And this agreement has been there for the last 10 months."
 
Meengla said:
Almost finished watching. It seems like these Israelis are in denial: They are framing the alliance in Shia-Sunni split but they should have known that Pakistan, even during the 1980s, didn't take sides in the Iran-Iraq war and that Pakistan continued to recognize the Assad govt of Syria despite Pakistan's deep ties with KSA and Turkey. And these analysts barely mentioned the Israeli folly / hubris of attacking Qatar a few months ago, which is a catalyst for some of the new alliances we are seeing in the Middle East.

Anyway, a fascinating video which places various actors in the Middle East and America's long term role in the region from an Israeli perspective.
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I watched that you are right they are thinking its all about Iran and sectarianism but its not. I think its primarily about securing the future where a US withdraws and focuses on China. It's also to contain Israeli, UAE and other crazy ambitions.

One thing interesting they said, im paraphrasing but they found Israel safe when there is instability in the Mideast given the arab states are at it against each other plus Iran, but stability is not good for Israel by their own admission.

I hope SA, Turkey, Pak sign am attack on one is an attack on all pact, look to harmonise their military infrastructure, set up co production of arms, get KAAN on turbo charge and set up a defensive force ready for deployment if the need arises. This should be done quietly out of the limelight.
 
Meengla said:
Almost finished watching. It seems like these Israelis are in denial: They are framing the alliance in Shia-Sunni split but they should have known that Pakistan, even during the 1980s, didn't take sides in the Iran-Iraq war and that Pakistan continued to recognize the Assad govt of Syria despite Pakistan's deep ties with KSA and Turkey. And these analysts barely mentioned the Israeli folly / hubris of attacking Qatar a few months ago, which is a catalyst for some of the new alliances we are seeing in the Middle East.

Anyway, a fascinating video which places various actors in the Middle East and America's long term role in the region from an Israeli perspective.
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Fundamentally Fundamentally Fundamentally flawed analysis by both of them. They can't see beyond Iran to see that they are the bad guys that people that people want to defend against.

His attempts to bring an ethnic angle of suni-shia with Pakistan is ABSURD beyond belief. No historical context of even how Zia refused to partake in such splits when dealing with the middle east.

I would not recommend anyone watch this video to learn anything about the dynamics of security changes in the middle east, "BUT" if you are interested in a laugh of the level of self-delusion these "analysts" have, then go ahead and give it ago.
 
Meengla said:
Starting to watch this fascinating Israeli perspective related to this thread; so far, it looks Israelis are concerned about any Turkey-Saudi Arabia-Pakistan defense alliance.

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Yeah sound like they are definitely concerned about this new alliances.

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Also I've watched another one few weeks ago, excellent discussions here and see what Mushahid said clearly

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lightning f57 said:
One thing interesting they said, im paraphrasing but they found Israel safe when there is instability in the Mideast given the arab states are at it against each other plus Iran, but stability is not good for Israel by their own admission.
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I saw that. What a sick nation which wants anarchy in its neighborhood.
Ali_Baba said:
His attempts to bring an ethnic angle of suni-shia with Pakistan is ABSURD beyond belief. No historical context of even how Zia refused to partake in such splits when dealing with the middle east.
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If that's how their think tanks also think they are going to regret some 'surprise' one day.

BTW, I recommend watching that video and also videos from other adversaries channels as long as there is serious discussion but not like that anti Iran Tooties channel or Pakistan's own Haqeeqat TV.
 
Ibbi32 said:
Its probably more likely for Pakistanis in uae to divest from Pakistan than the opposite. Frankly Pakistan cannot handle antagonising UAE because we are so heavily linked by both population and being so heavily dependent on them financially
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From what I've heard from some of my friends, UAE had threatened Pakistan sometime ago with consequences, but then taken it back within 12 hours when Pakistan showed them their true Auqaat.
Lets not underestimate the Pakistan of after-May2025.

Geopolitics is changing real fast and new strategic alliances are forming. Its a great thing to see Turkiye, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia join hands. I for one welcome this alliance and hope it can do all it needs.
 
Luciferdd said:
This alliance is not reliable unless all of you can say no to the Americans.Otherwise, when Israel collaborates with the Americans to target one of you, the other two parties cannot provide substantial support.
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the west is in sharp decline anyway
Lets not underestimate the potential and capabilities of the 3 countries when it comes to their collective as well as individual interests. This is a great accomplishment and was much needed.

greater israel plan in full swing, so a counter is needed to eliminate the threat to the islamic world, and especially to the most dearest of all places in our hearts, the Holy cities of Makkah and Madina. It is in all our collective interest that KSA be saved from any harm. Billions of muslims on earth look fwd to this agreement in full slow soon, with China the emerging strength to counter the american/israeli threat to the world
 
Next, the Triple Alliance should consider accepting Algeria. Indonesia, a country without significant defense pressure, should not be considered for the time being. Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, and other countries should not be considered due to well-known reasons. Iran, on the other hand, will consider accepting it only after it has overcome the crisis and the Donkey Party takes power.
 
KingQamaR said:
Hopefully will grow larger. What’s needed now for this alliance to morph into a nato type of military force.
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Equally as importantly we need EU style trade agreements. We should strengthen each other where we see weakness. 20 years of good governance and Pakistan could be a country where we could move our families back too comfortably.
 
MH.Yang said:
Next, the Triple Alliance should consider accepting Algeria. Indonesia, a country without significant defense pressure, should not be considered for the time being. Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, and other countries should not be considered due to well-known reasons. Iran, on the other hand, will consider accepting it only after it has overcome the crisis and the Donkey Party takes power.
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If this PACT becomes a reality and other countries see military corporation other than just regular training, means military bases in KSA and some heavy equipment purchase and dedicated towards a mutual defense force, other countries will then request to join in too and contribute. No need for multiple alliances, I think this PACT is good and can turn a divided Muslim world into a united force to protect weaker Muslim countries from internal threats and civil wars.
 
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The Saudi–Turkish–Pakistani axis is no longer theory.
It’s reshaping the Syrian map.

As the SDF retreats from Aleppo, the message is clear:
No separatists. No militias. Only sovereignty.

Saudi Arabia is working the tribal channels.
Turkiye is applying pressure at the front.

And the Arab tribes in Syria are choosing unity over fragmentation
 
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