Turkish Defence Industry - Exports & News

[Afif]

This is just one example, and there are many things that outsiders are not aware of even if Turkish people themselves.

Nah mate, I am an outsider and I am very aware of day to day to development in Turkish defense industry. (Out of my own passion I follow it closely as I do with some other emerging defense industries. I.e. South Korea, India) You are the one using outdated information and cheap AI bot to write here.

 

[hyperman]

- For the TB-2 unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), its electro-optical turret is the MX15HD imported from WESCAM Company in Canada, and the infrared components are products of FLIR Company in the United States.

Wescam ecetro optical Turrets haven't been used since half a decade ago. These things have been indigenized.

 

[hyperman]

In addition, since Turkey does not have the capability to manufacture military aviation-grade electronic components, most of the various integrated circuits in the UAV system are secretly imported from Europe, the United States, or China.

Turkey is actually making investments to do chip fabrication in Turkey for the defense industry, that element is not there yet completely but its getting there.

Avionics are the one thing in Turkey I'm confident about. The Achilles heel for Turkish defense projects are not avionics, but Propulsion, namely jet engines, turbofan/turboprop etc etc. But its making progress on that end too.

Türkiye boosts local chip production with $5B investment - Türkiye Today

Under the HIT-30 High Technology Investment Program, Türkiye is accelerating its domestic chip production.

www.turkiyetoday.com

 

[hyperman]

Aselsan is an electronic component integrator

Aselsan is waay more than a simple integrator. lol

 

[royalharris]

The core of the advanced avionics system is semiconductor chips.
So, which are the well-known semiconductor chip companies in Turkey?
And which are the well-known semiconductor chip foundries in Turkey?

In terms of the development of semiconductor chips, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, with their huge investments and a lenient international political environment, are very likely to catch up from behind and move ahead of Turkey.

According to the news in September 2024, it is reported that Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) and Samsung will build a cluster of factories in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), and the potential value of the chip project may exceed 100 billion US dollars. Microsoft has deepened its cooperation with G42 in the UAE, and the US government has approved the export of advanced AI chips to it.

 

[Oublious]

Overall, in the international arms market, the biggest competitors of Turkish military industrial enterprises are those from the Middle East, such as the enterprises in the United Arab Emirates, because they have the same technical path and market background.

According to your logic everyone is walking the same path means the same level, so imagine Americans and UAE walking the same path. They should be same level, stop writing bs.

This is not philosophic thread.

 

[mulj]

Baykar Leonardo possible fusion, huge news with great strategic implications.
Probably Kizilelma probably will go in full acceleration mode in case fusion is done among wider distribution of existing platforms to EU.

 

[hyperman]

So, which are the well-known semiconductor chip companies in Turkey?
And which are the well-known semiconductor chip foundries in Turkey?

This is silly, thats like saying Ratheon isn't anything b/c Raytheon doesn't build the chips itself.

or Thales isn't anything significant b/c it doesn't make the chips itself.

BTW, I already gave you a link, Turkey is going to be building Foundries to build chips domestically for defense production.

Its in the plans.

Türkiye boosts local chip production with $5B investment - Türkiye Today

Under the HIT-30 High Technology Investment Program, Türkiye is accelerating its domestic chip production.

www.turkiyetoday.com

 

[royalharris]

This is silly, thats like saying Ratheon isn't anything b/c Raytheon doesn't build the chips itself.

or Thales isn't anything significant b/c it doesn't make the chips itself.

BTW, I already gave you a link, Turkey is going to be building Foundries to build chips domestically for defense production.

Its in the plans.

Türkiye boosts local chip production with $5B investment - Türkiye Today

Under the HIT-30 High Technology Investment Program, Türkiye is accelerating its domestic chip production.

www.turkiyetoday.com

The United States and the United Kingdom are closely intertwined. Regarding relevant high-tech chips, the United States will sell them to the United Kingdom. But would it sell them to Turkey? In the eyes of the United States, how can Turkey be compared with the United Kingdom?

Considering the relationships between the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and both the East and the West, as well as the relationships between Turkey and the East and the West, the EDGE Group of the UAE is likely to rapidly surpass the relevant military industrial companies in Turkey in the coming years.

 

[hyperman]

Considering the relationships between the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and both the East and the West, as well as the relationships between Turkey and the East and the West, the EDGE Group of the UAE is likely to rapidly surpass the relevant military industrial companies in Turkey in the coming years.

Rapidly Surpass? lol, This is a comical assessment no disrespect. You really don't seem to be familiar with the Turkish defense industry and the scope of the projects involved.

Turkey was literally producing the fuselage of the F-35, there are literally fighter jet prototypes flying where everything except for the engine and the ejection seat is manufactured in Turkey. There is no equivalence in terms of Aerospace capability alone, let alone the Engine development programs from the TS1400 and TF6000 and the ship building capacity.

 

[hyperman]

The United States and the United Kingdom are closely intertwined. Regarding relevant high-tech chips, the United States will sell them to the United Kingdom. But would it sell them to Turkey? In the eyes of the United States, how can Turkey be compared with the United Kingdom?

Thales is French, Idk where the UK matter came up. Regardless, acquisition of chips is not really an issue long term, Turkey is building Fabs specifically for the Defense sector.

Btw, the US doesn't really provide the chips, the chips from from Asia, namely Taiwan, Japan, Korea even in US products.

 

[Ak01]

Turkey has made some progress in its independent research and development capabilities of military electronic components in recent years. However, due to limitations in technological accumulation, the integrity of the industrial chain, and the international political and economic environment, there are still certain limitations in its degree of autonomy.

- UAV Electronic Systems:
The electro-optical targeting systems (EO/IR) carried by UAVs such as Bayraktar TB2 and Akıncı have been partially localized (such as the CATS system of ASELSAN). However, thermal imaging sensors still need to be imported from China (such as Guide Infrared) or France.
- Communication Data Link: Turkey has developed a local encrypted communication module, but radio frequency front-end chips still need to be imported, usually from china.
- Electronic Equipment of Air Defense Systems:
The fire control radar and command and control system of the HISAR air defense system are independently developed by ASELSAN. However, some high-frequency microwave devices (such as T/R components) rely on European and American technologies.

Overall, Turkish companies and Emirati companies follow the same path. They both aim to become system integrators. It's just that Turkish companies started their development earlier and have a higher degree of integration. Turkey is the best in muslim countries until now.
But KSA and UAE catch very fast.

The key to manufacturing engines or basic high-end electronic components lies in a country's scientific research capabilities. The foundation for building scientific research capabilities is its talent system, and the soil for the talent system is the education system, especially science and engineering universities.

Aselsan has been providing domestic Turkish TRM's to Thales for over a decade now.

Your information is very, very outdated.

 

[royalharris]

Thales is French, Idk where the UK matter came up. Regardless, acquisition of chips is not really an issue long term, Turkey is building Fabs specifically for the Defense sector.

Btw, the US doesn't really provide the chips, the chips from from Asia, namely Taiwan, Japan, Korea even in US products.

In the current global arms sales landscape, the United States is in the first echelon, while China and Russia are in the second echelon. Other countries lag far behind the United States,China and Russia.

Yes, it is a French company. But can Turkey receive the same treatment as France does when dealing with the United States?

Those semiconductor company
ies are all controlled by USA

 

[royalharris]

To be honest, French and British military companies were quite something twenty years ago. But it will be a stroke of luck if they can still exist in another twenty years. They really aren't even worth spending time discussing now. Ultimately, their fate will be just like that of Nokia mobile phones.

 

[hyperman]

In the current global arms sales landscape, the United States is in the first echelon, while China and Russia are in the second echelon. Other countries lag far behind the United States,China and Russia.

Yes, it is a French company. But can Turkey receive the same treatment as France does when dealing with the United States?

Those semiconductor company
ies are all controlled by USA

These chips can be substituted you understand? Russia has been doing just that. They don't really have any significant fabs either. They have been taking chips from civilian products from the west via sanction busting schemes and China, even resorting to taking chips from Washing Machines.

Iran has been building sensors for a long time with similar schemes.

Turkey is not in any sort of position like those states. It has far better options available as there are no significant sanctions, but in a worst case scenario it could do what Russia did.

Regardless of all that, Turkey is in the process of building its own fabs for the defense industry, its not the latest node, but for defense industry you don't need 3mm or bleeding edge processes.

This is really not a significant concern. As I told you, the "achilles heel" of Turkish defense projects is the engine and power plants of platforms, not sensor suites. Turkey largely have competencies in building its own sensors and avionics.