this is the most important news among whole Turkish section, TS1400 will enter serial production at end of this year or at the beginning of 2025 , Turkey proves its ability to design and production of aero turbine engines, new engines will follow it
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Your observation is indeed accurate, brother. Many people have yet to grasp the true importance, relevance, and innovative nature of this advancement. It provides us a data-driven understanding of the company's technological strengths and potential. Furthermore, this advancement enables us to evaluate the true capabilities of TAI in developing a jet engine.
With each day that goes by, my optimism grows stronger that we will successfully accomplish our objectives and become fully independent.
It looks like everyting goes according to their plans which is great. You know, witnessing a project evolve and come to fruition over time is truly a beautiful experience.
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The first Gokbey exported with domestic engines is a moment I'm waiting for. Thats when a complete product, end to end will be exported by Turkey for aircraft. Very big milestone when it happens.
The first step that will set off an entire chain of events.
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Your comment is spot on. The level of technological maturity we have attained has allowed us to expand our reach to numerous potential customers globally. This growth has resulted in a consistent influx of financial resources for our industry and businesses. Nevertheless, we are now encountering a barrier in our strategic development. Once we resolve the issues concerning foreign engines and propulsions, we can expect a second, more impactful surge in growth that will elevate us to unprecedented levels. We will undoubtedly be able to rival nations like France, the UK, Japan, China, and even the US.
Our nation's trademark distinguishes itself from those in the East and West by blending the best attributes of both worlds. We offer dependable, top-notch, battle-tested systems that are cost-effective and free from any political strings.
The Turkish defense industry has a promising future ahead. No doubt.
we will not wait for long time,
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Ukraine continues to supply aircraft engines to Türkiye, according to Mehmet Demiroglu, CEO of Turkish Aerospace."It's difficult to get engines from Ukraine. It keeps us on edge. But as of today, Ukraine is still able to make deliveries, albeit with difficulty."— Türkiye's new ANKA-3 stealth drone recently completed its debut flight, powered by a Ukrainian engine developed by Ivchenko-Progress. — Both the ATAK-2 helicopter and the 10-ton Utility Helicopter (TAI products) also use Ukrainian engines.— Local production of these engines under license was also discussed. "Great progress has been made."
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Prof M.Akşit: "KAAN's engine is a tech 3x more difficult than anything we have shown.
It is an engine that will have only 2-3 rival in worldA 13-member technic committee made a selection and chose our design. A rival foreign company (IP) was also working on conceptual design"
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Thanks for sharing. So the KAAN engine is at the critical design phase currently. With projected 10-15 year completion end goal. The engine will be ready by 2035, best case scenario.
Not bad but definitely more realistic timeframe than what we heard from online sources before.
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Türkiye's engine manufacturing success
Turkish firms overcome challenges in engine manufacturing with rapid technological advancements
The most difficult product to produce in the world is high-power engines. By high-power engines, we mean jet and passenger plane engines and those that power land, sea and air vehicles with a minimum of 1,000 horsepower. To be more specific, an F-16 engine, a Boeing 737 engine or a Howitzer engine all use 1,000 horsepower.
It is said that producing an aircraft engine is more complex than an atomic bomb. So much so that when the U.K., Germany, France and Spain came together to make the engine for the Tornado jet, they probably did not expect it to take 17 years.
Today, the U.S., the U.K., Russia and France alone can produce a jet engine. Let us remember that France produced one in cooperation with other European countries at the beginning of the process. On the other hand, Germany and Japan have the production capacity and potential. However, China and India, both mentioned as superpower candidates, have not yet been able to produce jet engines. China tried to do so with the support of Russia and Ukraine, while India failed and gave up.
Türkiye is working relentlessly to produce such difficult-to-produce and state-of-the-art engines. So, what has the Turkish defense industry done so far in engine production?
Currently, the Turkish defense industry has produced some engines, while others are being tested or under development. Let us look at them one by one.
Engines already in the inventory;
TUNA (400 HP): Produced by BMC Power, this engine is used in the same company's armored vehicles, such as Vuran and Kirpi.
PD170: Produced by TEI, a subsidiary of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), this engine, which powers Anka, Aksungur and Bayraktar TB3 drones, has wholly ended the foreign dependence on these UCAVs in terms of engines.
PG50: Produced by TEI, it is used in Kargı UCAVs.
KTJ3200: Produced by KALE ARGE, a private company, it has started to be used in Atmaca and SOM missiles with a range of 280 kilometers (170 miles).
KTJ1750: This engine is also produced by KALE ARGE and is powering a guided Çakır missile with a 150-kilometer range.
KTJ3700: The first test firing of the KARA ATMACA missile was recently conducted with this engine, again produced by KALE ARGE. Pakistan is said to be interested in the engine.
TS1400: Produced by TEI, it is being tested in the Gökbey helicopter nowadays. It is expected to receive the necessary certificates and enter the inventory within a few years. Moreover, since the same engine will be installed in the Atak helicopter, more Ataks are expected to be sold abroad.
Engines under development or testing;
UTKU (1,000 HP): The engine developed by BMC Power will be used in new generation light armored vehicles and the Fırtına howitzer.
BATU (1,500 HP): It is being developed by BMC Power and its transmission. Altay, the first Turkish national tank, will use it. Tests of the engine are ongoing. Türkiye was planning to power the indigenous tank with the engine and transmission produced by the German company MTU. However, production was delayed due to the German embargo on engine sales. As an interim solution, the manufacturer BMC purchased the engine and transmission from South Korea. After 250 tanks are produced with the aforementioned engine, the 1,500-horsepower BATU engine and transmission will be installed in Altay tanks from 2026 onward.
PD222: Being developed by TEI, it will be used in Anka, Aksungur and Bayraktar TB3 UCAVs.
AZRA (600 HP): Being developed by BMC Power, it is planned to be used in tank carrier vehicles, cargo and personnel vehicles.
LEVEND (600 HP): The engine developed by BMC Power will be used in the unmanned naval vehicle Marlın.
BLUE BATU (1400 HP): The engine developed by BMC Power will be used in Milgem and SG600-type warships.
X7 SERIES (460-530 HP): The engine developed by Tümosan will be used in wheeled armored vehicles.
MARIN X7 (95-105 HP): The engine developed by Tümosan will be used in the unmanned naval vehicle ULAQ.
TF6000: TEI has produced the prototype of the turbo-prop engine, which will be used in the Anka-3 UCAV.
TF10000: The engine, which is the afterburner version of the TF6000, will be used in the Kızılelma UCAV.
KAAN Engine: The engine, whose design is currently being finalized by TEI and TR MOTOR, will be used in Kaan, the first Turkish indigenous fighter jet.
BM100: The engine developed by Baykar Tech will be used in the Bayraktar TB2 UCAV.
ARAT: The engine developed by KALE ARGE will be used in the 1,000-kilometer-range Gezgin guided missiles. KALE ARGE also reported that it is working on Turbofan engines that are planned to be used in business jets.
All the above engines are expected to be produced within 10 years, ending Türkiye’s dependence on foreign suppliers and generating lucrative revenue. However, the future is full of surprises that may hinder production. Türkiye needs more time to learn whether its stubbornness or obstacles will prevail in the engine production process.
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Turkish firms overcome challenges in engine manufacturing with rapid technological advancements
The most difficult product to produce in the world is high-power engines. By high-power engines, we mean jet and passenger plane engines and those that power land, sea and air vehicles with a minimum of 1,000 horsepower. To be more specific, an F-16 engine, a Boeing 737 engine or a Howitzer engine all use 1,000 horsepower.
It is said that producing an aircraft engine is more complex than an atomic bomb. So much so that when the U.K., Germany, France and Spain came together to make the engine for the Tornado jet, they probably did not expect it to take 17 years.
Today, the U.S., the U.K., Russia and France alone can produce a jet engine. Let us remember that France produced one in cooperation with other European countries at the beginning of the process. On the other hand, Germany and Japan have the production capacity and potential. However, China and India, both mentioned as superpower candidates, have not yet been able to produce jet engines. China tried to do so with the support of Russia and Ukraine, while India failed and gave up.
Türkiye is working relentlessly to produce such difficult-to-produce and state-of-the-art engines. So, what has the Turkish defense industry done so far in engine production?
Currently, the Turkish defense industry has produced some engines, while others are being tested or under development. Let us look at them one by one.
Engines already in the inventory;
TUNA (400 HP): Produced by BMC Power, this engine is used in the same company's armored vehicles, such as Vuran and Kirpi.
PD170: Produced by TEI, a subsidiary of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), this engine, which powers Anka, Aksungur and Bayraktar TB3 drones, has wholly ended the foreign dependence on these UCAVs in terms of engines.
PG50: Produced by TEI, it is used in Kargı UCAVs.
KTJ3200: Produced by KALE ARGE, a private company, it has started to be used in Atmaca and SOM missiles with a range of 280 kilometers (170 miles).
KTJ1750: This engine is also produced by KALE ARGE and is powering a guided Çakır missile with a 150-kilometer range.
KTJ3700: The first test firing of the KARA ATMACA missile was recently conducted with this engine, again produced by KALE ARGE. Pakistan is said to be interested in the engine.
TS1400: Produced by TEI, it is being tested in the Gökbey helicopter nowadays. It is expected to receive the necessary certificates and enter the inventory within a few years. Moreover, since the same engine will be installed in the Atak helicopter, more Ataks are expected to be sold abroad.
Engines under development or testing;
UTKU (1,000 HP): The engine developed by BMC Power will be used in new generation light armored vehicles and the Fırtına howitzer.
BATU (1,500 HP): It is being developed by BMC Power and its transmission. Altay, the first Turkish national tank, will use it. Tests of the engine are ongoing. Türkiye was planning to power the indigenous tank with the engine and transmission produced by the German company MTU. However, production was delayed due to the German embargo on engine sales. As an interim solution, the manufacturer BMC purchased the engine and transmission from South Korea. After 250 tanks are produced with the aforementioned engine, the 1,500-horsepower BATU engine and transmission will be installed in Altay tanks from 2026 onward.
PD222: Being developed by TEI, it will be used in Anka, Aksungur and Bayraktar TB3 UCAVs.
AZRA (600 HP): Being developed by BMC Power, it is planned to be used in tank carrier vehicles, cargo and personnel vehicles.
LEVEND (600 HP): The engine developed by BMC Power will be used in the unmanned naval vehicle Marlın.
BLUE BATU (1400 HP): The engine developed by BMC Power will be used in Milgem and SG600-type warships.
X7 SERIES (460-530 HP): The engine developed by Tümosan will be used in wheeled armored vehicles.
MARIN X7 (95-105 HP): The engine developed by Tümosan will be used in the unmanned naval vehicle ULAQ.
TF6000: TEI has produced the prototype of the turbo-prop engine, which will be used in the Anka-3 UCAV.
TF10000: The engine, which is the afterburner version of the TF6000, will be used in the Kızılelma UCAV.
KAAN Engine: The engine, whose design is currently being finalized by TEI and TR MOTOR, will be used in Kaan, the first Turkish indigenous fighter jet.
BM100: The engine developed by Baykar Tech will be used in the Bayraktar TB2 UCAV.
ARAT: The engine developed by KALE ARGE will be used in the 1,000-kilometer-range Gezgin guided missiles. KALE ARGE also reported that it is working on Turbofan engines that are planned to be used in business jets.
All the above engines are expected to be produced within 10 years, ending Türkiye’s dependence on foreign suppliers and generating lucrative revenue. However, the future is full of surprises that may hinder production. Türkiye needs more time to learn whether its stubbornness or obstacles will prevail in the engine production process.
Türkiye's engine manufacturing success | Opinion
Turkish firms overcome challenges in engine manufacturing with rapid technological advancements
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Türkiye's engine manufacturing success
Turkish firms overcome challenges in engine manufacturing with rapid technological advancements
The most difficult product to produce in the world is high-power engines. By high-power engines, we mean jet and passenger plane engines and those that power land, sea and air vehicles with a minimum of 1,000 horsepower. To be more specific, an F-16 engine, a Boeing 737 engine or a Howitzer engine all use 1,000 horsepower.
It is said that producing an aircraft engine is more complex than an atomic bomb. So much so that when the U.K., Germany, France and Spain came together to make the engine for the Tornado jet, they probably did not expect it to take 17 years.
Today, the U.S., the U.K., Russia and France alone can produce a jet engine. Let us remember that France produced one in cooperation with other European countries at the beginning of the process. On the other hand, Germany and Japan have the production capacity and potential. However, China and India, both mentioned as superpower candidates, have not yet been able to produce jet engines. China tried to do so with the support of Russia and Ukraine, while India failed and gave up.
Türkiye is working relentlessly to produce such difficult-to-produce and state-of-the-art engines. So, what has the Turkish defense industry done so far in engine production?
Currently, the Turkish defense industry has produced some engines, while others are being tested or under development. Let us look at them one by one.
Engines already in the inventory;
TUNA (400 HP): Produced by BMC Power, this engine is used in the same company's armored vehicles, such as Vuran and Kirpi.
PD170: Produced by TEI, a subsidiary of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), this engine, which powers Anka, Aksungur and Bayraktar TB3 drones, has wholly ended the foreign dependence on these UCAVs in terms of engines.
PG50: Produced by TEI, it is used in Kargı UCAVs.
KTJ3200: Produced by KALE ARGE, a private company, it has started to be used in Atmaca and SOM missiles with a range of 280 kilometers (170 miles).
KTJ1750: This engine is also produced by KALE ARGE and is powering a guided Çakır missile with a 150-kilometer range.
KTJ3700: The first test firing of the KARA ATMACA missile was recently conducted with this engine, again produced by KALE ARGE. Pakistan is said to be interested in the engine.
TS1400: Produced by TEI, it is being tested in the Gökbey helicopter nowadays. It is expected to receive the necessary certificates and enter the inventory within a few years. Moreover, since the same engine will be installed in the Atak helicopter, more Ataks are expected to be sold abroad.
Engines under development or testing;
UTKU (1,000 HP): The engine developed by BMC Power will be used in new generation light armored vehicles and the Fırtına howitzer.
BATU (1,500 HP): It is being developed by BMC Power and its transmission. Altay, the first Turkish national tank, will use it. Tests of the engine are ongoing. Türkiye was planning to power the indigenous tank with the engine and transmission produced by the German company MTU. However, production was delayed due to the German embargo on engine sales. As an interim solution, the manufacturer BMC purchased the engine and transmission from South Korea. After 250 tanks are produced with the aforementioned engine, the 1,500-horsepower BATU engine and transmission will be installed in Altay tanks from 2026 onward.
PD222: Being developed by TEI, it will be used in Anka, Aksungur and Bayraktar TB3 UCAVs.
AZRA (600 HP): Being developed by BMC Power, it is planned to be used in tank carrier vehicles, cargo and personnel vehicles.
LEVEND (600 HP): The engine developed by BMC Power will be used in the unmanned naval vehicle Marlın.
BLUE BATU (1400 HP): The engine developed by BMC Power will be used in Milgem and SG600-type warships.
X7 SERIES (460-530 HP): The engine developed by Tümosan will be used in wheeled armored vehicles.
MARIN X7 (95-105 HP): The engine developed by Tümosan will be used in the unmanned naval vehicle ULAQ.
TF6000: TEI has produced the prototype of the turbo-prop engine, which will be used in the Anka-3 UCAV.
TF10000: The engine, which is the afterburner version of the TF6000, will be used in the Kızılelma UCAV.
KAAN Engine: The engine, whose design is currently being finalized by TEI and TR MOTOR, will be used in Kaan, the first Turkish indigenous fighter jet.
BM100: The engine developed by Baykar Tech will be used in the Bayraktar TB2 UCAV.
ARAT: The engine developed by KALE ARGE will be used in the 1,000-kilometer-range Gezgin guided missiles. KALE ARGE also reported that it is working on Turbofan engines that are planned to be used in business jets.
All the above engines are expected to be produced within 10 years, ending Türkiye’s dependence on foreign suppliers and generating lucrative revenue. However, the future is full of surprises that may hinder production. Türkiye needs more time to learn whether its stubbornness or obstacles will prevail in the engine production process.
Türkiye's engine manufacturing success | Opinion
Turkish firms overcome challenges in engine manufacturing with rapid technological advancements
It OP ed is a bit outdated considering the WS-10C and WS-15 from China. China has a 4+ gen engine already on existing J-20 and their 5th gen engine, the WS-15 is more gearing for mass production.
But its a good article nonetheless tracking all the different Turkish engine projects.
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Preliminary design started concept design is finished, we should see mockup of TF35000 next year, he is talking about PD uav engine what will used in civillian sector. SO it will compete against engines like the Rotax when the certification is finished.
TF6000 test is going on, TS1400 ready for mass production and they are waiting for certification to compete in civillian sector.
TF6000 test is going on, TS1400 ready for mass production and they are waiting for certification to compete in civillian sector.
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