Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics

GoatsMilk said:
and her "goy" servants now would be stupid.
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Turkish mentality never changes...

No matter the threats,no matter what forces countries to ally,the Turk always sees others as "servants" or "puppets" of some bigger country.


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GoatsMilk said:
If they attack Turkiye, one of the first things that should take place is a few hundred thousand Turkish troops are sent to Damascus. Because if they cross that line, at that point it they turned the game into us or them.
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How will you prevent them from arriving in Damascus? They will be bombed the moment they start moving south.
 
GoatsMilk said:
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All Turkiyes enemies see what's coming, all we be desperate to curtail it. Getting baited into an open war with isreal and her "goy" servants now would be stupid. But if Isreali is so desperate as to callously attack Turkiye the way they attacked Iran, then it must be complete and total war. Anything else will only bring greater harm in the long run.

If they attack Turkiye, one of the first things that should take place is a few hundred thousand Turkish troops are sent to Damascus. Because if they cross that line, at that point it they turned the game into us or them.

Either way the war is coming, Turks should be mentally prepared for it. Ideally we get 10 more years of military development first.
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I agree. We need 10 to 15 years of peace to complete most of our defense projects and produce systems of all sorts in sufficient numbers. Once we reach that level of maturity, even nuclear-armed Israel will avoid direct confrontation.
 
MMM-E said:
19 x 9 = 171 HAROPs ..... thats not a big number

TB-2 UCAVs used thousands of MAM-L laser guided munitions ( cost efective )

Each HAROP Drone costs approximately $700,000 on the other hand MAM-L laser guided munition costs $44.000

HAROP only had a range advantage and was used against targets including the S300s

most of Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , AFV-IFVs , mobile AD Systems and troops were destroyed by MAM-L laser guided munitions




Ballistic Missiles are so expensive and other artillery Rockets can not hit moving targets

Laser guided TRLG-230 was used in Karabakh War to hit even moving targets ( cost effective and lethal solution )

more cheper than HAROP kamikaze Drone and so difficult to intercept TRLG-230 supersonic Missile

TB-2 UCAVs marks and TRLG-230 MLRS strikes
( nowhere to hide and nowhere to run )


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Now Azerbaijan has AKINCI UCAVs

AKINCI UCAV now using ASELFLIR-600 E/O System to see military targets from 150 km away and to fire 150+ km IHA-230 supersonic Missiles


The 200-kilometer range mentioned here has increased slightly.

Technically, Mr. DENDIAS could be spotted by a Turkish UAV near Izmir while cooking meat at his residence in Athens.

from 139 km away
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It doesn’t mean there are only 171 Harops, I only mentioned the number of launchers (which is a minimum number based on those pics). It goes without saying that there would be more than what is already in launchers to replace expended drones.

I’m not denying TB2s role, which was indeed significant, but wars are not determined by a single system only. Otherwise, Sudan would have wiped out RSF with TB2.

You also have to remember that Armenia is not the only potential adversary of Azerbaijan.
 
Qaraca said:
I’m not denying TB2s role, which was indeed significant, but wars are not determined by a single system only. Otherwise, Sudan would have wiped out RSF with TB2.
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The question is, if you had to choose only one system, would you prefer the TB-2 - AKINCI or the HAROP?


TB-2 is not just an UCAV
Turkish UCAV War concept has put forward a new military doctrine in the world that UCAVs are intended to be used as close air support

TB-2 UCAVs destroyed most of Armenian military equipment

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not only in Karabakh War , but also in Syria , Turkiye’s extensive deployment of UCAVs in its fight against Russia-IRAN backed SAA , IRGC , HEZBOLAH

after the Assad Regime attack on Turkish Forces in Idlib 27.02.2020 , Turkish UCAVs killed 3.322 Assad Regime , IRGC , Hezbolah militia including 6 generals in a week

and Turkish UCAVs destroyed

8 Air Defense Systems
155 Tanks
51 Howitzers
52 MLRS
29 AFVs
68 Military Vehicles
15 Anti Tank Weapons
36 Pick-up mounted anti aircraft guns
49 Ammunition Trucks
10 Ammunition Storage
2 Missile Systems

If we had used the F-16 Jets , we would have been taking a huge risk against the S-200 and S-300 AD systems in Syria, but they couldn't even stop the TB-2s UCAVs

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HAROP kamikaze Drone can not do it while each HAROP costs $700.000 ( so expensive ) .... You can not use thousands of HAROPs

on the other hand , MAM-L laser guided munition costs only $44.000

We can destroy 16 Tanks with MAM-L munitions in price of 1 HAROP

HAROP kamikaze Drone was used effectively against Air defense systems , Radars and provided tremendous operational impact in pursuing a wide range of deep-strike missions

Now Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs 50-100-150 km MAM-T IIR , TOLUN-IIR , KUZGUN-TJ and IHA-230 munitions/missiles can do it against AD Systems and Radars with more cheaper cost


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Btw , Azerbaijan's great warrior Soldiers fought hand-to-hand on the field and achieved a decisive victory with the help of TB-2 UCAVs

SUDAN needs well trained and strong Army to fight RSF on the field
 
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Qaraca said:
You also have to remember that Armenia is not the only potential adversary of Azerbaijan.
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Therefore Azerbaijan joined Turkish KAAN 5th gen Fighter Jet program
also KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet on agenda for the Azerbaijani Air Force

except Turkiye , Nobody can provide these technologies to Azerbaijan

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Iran is real threat to Azerbaijan ..

In military and foreign policy, Turkiye and Azerbaijan should act as one country, and they have almost reached the point of doing so.
 
GoatsMilk said:
Iran military speaking has next to nothing of note outside inaccurate ballistic missiles. Even when their president was killed in a plane/helicopter crash they needed Turkish drones to find him.

Turkiye on the other hand has hell of a lot more tools at her disposal not to mention her geography can target Israel easier with the Turkish republic of North Cyprus, the east med sea route and direct influence over Syria that should she need to march an army directly towards Israel she can.

If Isreal were to bomb us then by all means it wise for Turkiye to retaliate and to retaliate hard. The problem for Turkiye is to enter a conflict in which the isrealis can easily make the world believe she is the victim. Under those circumstances the danger wouldn't be isreal it would be what her international coalition would do from America to the EU. We see how this game is played with the PKK/Terrorists/Kurds in syria, in which every time Turkiye intends to move the Isis reappears in the region to curtail Turkiye.

Wise move now for Turkiye would to move in a way that limits the opportunity for direct confrontation. Because after all Turkiye has hundreds if not thousands of military projects on the go, with each year bringing her new tools and capabilities. Why fight the zionists now when they have many advantages, when you can fight them when you have your own fighters in the air, hundreds of fighter drones, an endless supply of ballistic missiles not to mention thousands of air defence pieces.

Just like Isreal played the incremental game to get to her position, now is the time for Turkiye to wisely play the same game.

No point rushing anything now. I would even argue that under Erdogan Turkiye has built up so much negativity in the west that it makes it easy for isreal to sell Turkiye as the bad guy. Turkiye would do well for a new face to come into power to erase 2 decades worth of negative traction. If erdogan wants to control things from behind the scenes fine, but change the face of the leadership. Ideally get a woman to play leader.

Isreals real power to commit open genocide is really her ability to use propaganda. If the zionists didnt have such a mental grip over the minds of the "goy" in the west she would have been dumped by the western world long ago just as her people have been dumped by them hundreds of times in history.
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I think you don't understand the core of the problem.

It is not related with what do you want Turkey to do or even what can Turkey do. The core of the problem It is what is gonna happen.

Obviously kicking out Irán out of Syria was a mistake or a problem (maybe both). But the key it is to know from who was the mistake. It can be either Turkey or Israel.

Seeing the irritation of Netanyahu I can guess who screwed It.

Even if you want to avoid It, you rode that tiger and we will see how accurate are Turkish ballistic missiles.
 
hyperman said:
KF-21 isn't 5th gen.

J-20 isn't for export.

Su-57 maybe, it has the issue of reliance on Russia, which complicates things.
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J-20 not for export? Then why do so many Pakistanis here talk about J-20 being sold to Pakistan in the near future? ;)
 
Ali_Baba said:
They don't. The talk is about J-35AE, and of course, the Kaan ;) ...
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I remember people going nuts about J-20 after you got the J-10C,I remember there were speculations and hope that the Chinese would go sell J-20 to Pakistan in the future,what the heck. Was it actually J-35?
 
Foinikas said:
I remember people going nuts about J-20 after you got the J-10C,I remember there were speculations and hope that the Chinese would go sell J-20 to Pakistan in the future,what the heck. Was it actually J-35?
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There are alot of kids here spewing random nonsense. The trick, is to just to be sure you are listening to one of the adults instead.
 
Foinikas said:
Nobody? China,Russia,South Korea,Israel.
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Israel doesnt have these technologies
S.Korea doesnt have these technologies too

Russia doesnt have unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
and Russia never will sell SU-57 to Azerbaijan
Russia has even started to become a threat to Azerbaijan.

China also will not sale 5th gen Fighter Jet to Azerbaijan

Azerbaijan could not have purchased even J-17 Fighter Jets without Pakistan.
They never sold weapons to Azerbaijan that could upset the balance of power between Armenia and Azerbaijan; you can attribute this to political reasons


Azerbaijan has only one option ( Turkiye )
-- KAAN 5th gen Fighter Jet
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
 
MMM-E said:
Israel doesnt have these technologies
S.Korea doesnt have these technologies too

Russia doesnt have unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
and Russia never will sell SU-57 to Azerbaijan
Russia has even started to become a threat to Azerbaijan.

China also will not sale 5th gen Fighter Jet to Azerbaijan

Azerbaijan could not have purchased even J-17 Fighter Jets without Pakistan.
They never sold weapons to Azerbaijan that could upset the balance of power between Armenia and Azerbaijan; you can attribute this to political reasons


Azerbaijan has only one option ( Turkiye )
-- KAAN 5th gen Fighter Jet
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
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Yeah sure,nobody has these technologies only Turkiye in the world.
 
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