Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics

[MMM-E]

1. Azerbaijan already had a larger and better equipped army fighting against a small Armenian force with outdated Russian weaponry
2. The SAA,an already outdated army in 2012,which was a bit better than a militia after 10 years of heavy war.

You're so ignorant, you have no military knowledge whatsoever.

Armenia's 30-year military buildup and prepared positions made crossing the minefields and booby-trapped areas were extremely difficult task

but Turkish UCAV war concept changed the game and gave victory to Azerbaijan


also Russia , Iran could do nothing because of Turkish Defense Industry which become a bite too big for them to swallow

And yet,you chickened. And yet,you let the Palestinians get exterminated for 2 years straight. And you talk about big victories...against what? Artsakh? The decimated and demoralized SAA? The LNA? The ragtag Kurdish militias?

Go and Attack on Turkiye instead of unarmed civilians in GAZA

Turkish Navy kicked your dreams in the Eastern Mediterranean and Greece-France-Israel chickened

without USA your tiny Countries are nothing ....

Turkish Navy orders Israeli Ship out of Cyprus’s waters

Turkish navy orders Israeli ship out of Cyprus’s waters

Israeli research vessel reportedly vacated the area after being approached and told to leave by the Turkish navy.

www.aljazeera.com

Turkish Frigates carrying out radar targeting against the French warship three times, suggesting a missile strike was imminent

Turkey navy accused of harassing French frigate in Med

An official from the French Defence Ministry told Reuters yesterday that Turkish frigates carried out an “extremely aggressive” intervention against a French navy vessel said to be taking part in a…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

You lost in all places. You lost respect. You proved that Turkey cowers before Israel,USA and Russia and you only talk big when you have to fight soldiers on pickups trucks. And then you send thousands of Syrians or Libyans first to die like cannon fodder.

Turkiye won everywhere

Turkiye kicked all losers in Syria , Libya , Eastern Mediterranean and their Masters USA , France , Israel , Russia only watched on TV when Turkish Armed Forces took actions

USA , Russia , Israel , France dont have courage to fight Turkiye
They used proxies and our proxies / Brothers kicked all of them

 

[Foinikas]

You're so ignorant, you have no military knowledge whatsoever.

Armenia's 30-year military buildup and prepared positions made crossing the minefields and booby-trapped areas were extremely difficult task

Armenians had outdated equipment. They fought with 90s and 2000s tactics. The majority of their tanks,AT weapons,
artillery,AA systems and vehicles were obsolete Soviet ones. Very few modern pieces and of course virtually no Air Force with only 4 Su-30s and no weapons for them and a few Su-25s.

but Turkish UCAV war concept changed the game and gave victory to Azerbaijan

Give me a break. It wasn't just a Turkish war concept. The Azeris were using Israeli UAVs and loitering munitions as well.

Go and Attack on Turkiye instead of unarmed civilians in GAZA

Turkish Navy kicked your dreams in the Eastern Mediterranean and Greece-France-Israel chickened

You still talk big and can't admit the fact that YOUR SUPPOSED SUPERPOWER TURKIYE DID NOTHING TO STOP ISRAEL. And you're here like a kid,talking about "but we kicked all your dweams we kicked all your dweams".

So far you only had balls stopping some Kurds and Syrians. Some Libyans too. When Israel and the US raided Iran,you guys disappeared from the radar. You stopped talking big for a while,Erdogan kept a low profile,stopped threatening Israel,you hid in your holes. You chickened. All your big talk about STRONGEST NAVY IN THE MEDITERRANEAN and all that talk about PALESTINIAN BROTHERS and for 2 years you couldn't even send your superpower fleet and your superpower Air Force to Gaza to send a message.

So zip it.

 

[eIsQengiz]

A particular user is consistently posting low-quality, off-topic, and nonsensical comments that add no meaningful value to discussions. In threads focusing on Turkish defense issues, this user regularly derails conversations with irrelevant statements.
In the last two days, the same person has mentioned Israel or Israelis more than fifteen times, often in ways unrelated to the original thread topics. This appears to be deliberate and seems aimed at provoking reactions rather than contributing to an informed discussion. Please clean up the forum.

@Waz @Eşbah

 

[Foinikas]

A particular user is consistently posting low-quality, off-topic, and nonsensical comments that add no meaningful value to discussions. In threads focusing on Turkish defense issues, this user regularly derails conversations with irrelevant statements.
In the last two days, the same person has mentioned Israel or Israelis more than fifteen times, often in ways unrelated to the original thread topics. This appears to be deliberate and seems aimed at provoking reactions rather than contributing to an informed discussion. Please clean up the forum.

@Waz @Eşbah

Thank you,I find MMM-E annoying too. He always provokes and keeps mentioning Israel and Greece

 

[MMM-E]

Give me a break. It wasn't just a Turkish war concept. The Azeris were using Israeli UAVs and loitering munitions as well.

Israeli UAVs dont have strike capability and HAROP kamikaze Drones were limited numbers

Turkish made TB-2 UCAVs destroyed $1 billion worth of Armenian military equipment ..... Thanks to MAM-L laser guided munition and TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS

Armenians had outdated equipment. They fought with 90s and 2000s tactics. The majority of their tanks,AT weapons,
artillery,AA systems and vehicles were obsolete Soviet ones. Very few modern pieces and of course virtually no Air Force with only 4 Su-30s and no weapons for them and a few Su-25s.

Azerbaijan did not use Fighter Jets too

and that doesnt matter , Turkish UCAVs can destroy even Leopard2A8 , LECLERC , M1A2 ABRAMS and other most modern Tanks

Go and give Armenia MICA VL , IRIS-T SLM AD Systems which can not stop Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs armed with 150+ km IHA-230 supersonic Missiles ... even 50+ km MAM-T IIR can destroy NATO's all mobile AD Systems

BUK , TOR , PANTSIR , AKASH AD Systems also can not stop Turkish UCAVs

nothing can save Armenia

 

[MMM-E]

You still talk big and can't admit the fact that YOUR SUPPOSED SUPERPOWER TURKIYE DID NOTHING TO STOP ISRAEL. And you're here like a kid,talking about "but we kicked all your dweams we kicked all your dweams".

in GAZA hyperpower USA stopped whole world , not little Israel

Only kids can dream with loser Israel

NO ROJAVA dream in Syria
NO EASTMED project in the Eastern Mediterranean
NO subsea electric cable project in the Eastern Mediterranean

You chickened. All your big talk about STRONGEST NAVY IN THE MEDITERRANEAN and all that talk about PALESTINIAN BROTHERS and for 2 years you couldn't even send your superpower fleet and your superpower Air Force to Gaza to send a message.

They can not bomb anything if USA doesnt protect little Israel

We have seen Israel , Greece , France who chickened when the Turkish Navy kicked their Ships out of Turkish EEZ

 

[Foinikas]

Israeli UAVs dont have strike capability and HAROP kamikaze Drones were limited numbers

Turkish made TB-2 UCAVs destroyed $1 billion worth of Armenian military equipment ..... Thanks to MAM-L laser guided munition and TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS




Azerbaijan did not use Fighter Jets too

and that doesnt matter , Turkish UCAVs can destroy even Leopard2A8 , LECLERC , M1A2 ABRAMS and other most modern Tanks

Go and give Armenia MICA VL , IRIS-T SLM AD Systems which can not stop Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs armed with 150+ km IHA-230 supersonic Missiles ... even 50+ km MAM-T IIR can destroy NATO's all mobile AD Systems

BUK , TOR , PANTSIR , AKASH AD Systems also can not stop Turkish UCAVs

nothing can save Armenia

Armenia lost,we can agree there.

 

[Foinikas]

in GAZA hyperpower USA stopped whole world , not little Israel

Only kids can dream with loser Israel

NO ROJAVA dream in Syria
NO EASTMED project in the Eastern Mediterranean
NO subsea electric cable project in the Eastern Mediterranean




They can not bomb anything if USA doesnt protect little Israel

We have seen Israel , Greece , France who chickened when the Turkish Navy kicked their Ships out of Turkish EEZ

You keep mistaking restraint for cowardice. But it's your side which has been claiming to be a superpower and protector of Palestinians,but did not try to confront Israel. If anything,with all the lists of superweapons and "Only Turkey" equipment you've been presenting here the last 3-4 years,Israel should have been easy for Turkey to deal with. According to your narrative at least.

 

[MMM-E]

You keep mistaking restraint for cowardice. But it's your side which has been claiming to be a superpower and protector of Palestinians,but did not try to confront Israel. If anything,with all the lists of superweapons and "Only Turkey" equipment you've been presenting here the last 3-4 years,Israel should have been easy for Turkey to deal with. According to your narrative at least.

Where was Israel when the Turkish Armed Forces kicked Israeli dreams in Syria and in the Eastern Mediterranean ?

Only stop hiding behind USA and be a real man instead of a coward

If you so brave and strong then attack on Turkiye or Turkish Cypriots , then whole world will see what will happen with your little Countries

We will see your trash alliance Greece-Greek Cypriots-Israel
Your tiny Countries can not change anything in the Eastern Mediterranean without USA

 

[Foinikas]

Where was Israel when the Turkish Armed Forces kicked Israeli dreams in Syria and in the Eastern Mediterranean ?

What dreams? They're going pretty well for the Jews. Jolani wants to make deals with them,they grabbed more land in Syria,they take full advantage of their EEZ.

If you so brave and strong then attack on Turkiye or Turkish Cypriots , then whole world will see what will happen with your little Countries

Greece and Cyprus do not seek a conflict. On the contrary,for years now the Turkish government has been threatening us with interventions,lessons,war and problems.
As for the Israelis,if you wanted to play loose cannon,you found your match. If they get pissed off they might as well take limited action against you,to send a message. And no NATO and no USA will stop them if you push it too far.

We will see your trash alliance Greece-Greek Cypriots-Israel
Your tiny Countries can not change anything in the Eastern Mediterranean without USA

One piece of advice,please stop talking like a kid. I told you something above,your leadership had been talking all the time about how much Turkey is there for Palestine. You didn't dare attack Israel in two years. Now you're telling me you would easily take on Israel AND Greece,Cyprus and whoever else at the same time? Come on,you know you can't. The Egyptians,Haftar,the Kurds,the French could get involved. Even the Americans.

 

[MMM-E]

What dreams? They're going pretty well for the Jews. Jolani wants to make deals with them,they grabbed more land in Syria,they take full advantage of their EEZ.

Israel's proxy PKK-YPG were kicked out of Afrin , Rasulayn , Telabyad , etc by the Turkish Armed Forces

Israeli dream ROJAVA is died in Syria

NO EASTMED project in the Eastern Mediterranean
NO subsea electric cable project in the Eastern Mediterranean

As for the Israelis,if you wanted to play loose cannon,you found your match. If they get pissed off they might as well take limited action against you,to send a message. And no NATO and no USA will stop them if you push it too far.

Do you dream a strike on a few targets in Turkiye and to cry to USA to stop the Turks ?

NATO and USA can not save little shit İsrael in a real long term war against Turkiye

 

[MMM-E]

The Egyptians,Haftar,the Kurds,the French could get involved. Even the Americans.

Only in your fantasy world maybe

Egypt and HAFTAR are working with Turkiye now
France has learned its lesson
The Kurds are with Turkiye ... ( we already waiting for a reason to destroy PKK-YPG terrorists )

Americans only can use pawns Greeks , PKK-YPG as like Ukranians

One piece of advice,please stop talking like a kid. I told you something above,your leadership had been talking all the time about how much Turkey is there for Palestine. You didn't dare attack Israel in two years

Kid
USA is blocking Turkiye and Iran or nobody care about little Israel

 

[eIsQengiz]

Foinikas worm incapable of logical thinking. this slimy drunk acts but you bet if he meets turks in real life oh boy his trouser will be wetting.

Europeans lot treat Athens like a pestilential parasite with nothing but a begging bowl at hand. The robust and self-sufficient Turkish arms industry, which has constantly freed Ankara from its dependence on foreign arms imports and its increasing self-sufficiency, has given rise to a complex. Meanwhile, when he saw that the Greek defense industry was collapsing in austerity and never gaining momentum, he came up with a fictional scenario of the destruction of Turkish industry. The Turkish economy is collapsing like a small, stupid child who is angry at smart and overachieving students with his evil eye. This Greek wants to act relevant with some cheap foreign product here and there that will not make any difference in the event of a conflict. Greece, by contrast, remains far from self-sufficient, even in small-caliber ammunition, and yet boasts about the low euros that his poor country buys. Greek dependencies lack access to technology, and strategic autonomy cannot be an option during a war, while Turkish domestic industry stimulates innovation, jobs and economic growth. Built in-house and custom built by our own highly talented engineers. I remember from the old days when a member named Mike2000 emphasized "We have no eternal allies, nor eternal enemies. Our interests are eternal and permanent, and it is our duty to pursue those interests." The concept that "nations have no real friends, only interests" is widely recognized, but this newbie here is referring to Israel, that Israel, that. France as an ally will save Greece. Greek Euro-apocalypse mocking Turkish technology is a sign of inferiority, helplessness, and a coping mechanism. This era has shown that dependent nations like Greece will not stand a chance against independent Turks. History has shown that when the Turks rise, their sunny days will become completely dark.

 

[Qaraca]

Israeli UAVs dont have strike capability and HAROP kamikaze Drones were limited numbers

Turkish made TB-2 UCAVs destroyed $1 billion worth of Armenian military equipment ..... Thanks to MAM-L laser guided munition and TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS


Azerbaijan did not use Fighter Jets too

and that doesnt matter , Turkish UCAVs can destroy even Leopard2A8 , LECLERC , M1A2 ABRAMS and other most modern Tanks

Go and give Armenia MICA VL , IRIS-T SLM AD Systems which can not stop Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs armed with 150+ km IHA-230 supersonic Missiles ... even 50+ km MAM-T IIR can destroy NATO's all mobile AD Systems

BUK , TOR , PANTSIR , AKASH AD Systems also can not stop Turkish UCAVs

nothing can save Armenia

There are 19 Harop launchers here alone. There is no info on exact numbers in open sources, but I don’t think they are in limited numbers. Each launcher has 9 ready to launch drones.





There were also Skystriker and Orbiter 1K (locally manufactured).

Can’t forget Spike NLOS from helicopters either.

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Azerbaijan did use fighter jets.

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For example:

Destruction of enemy forces by airstrikes - <span style=

On October 31, a Su-25 attack aircraft of Air Force of Azerbaijan bombed enemy positions. As a result of airstrikes, a large number of enemy forces were destroyed in the trenches and underground shelters. We present a video of the destruction of the enemys manpower.

mod.gov.az

As for TRLG-230, I doubt it was used in greater numbers than some of other guided artillery rockets and ballistic missiles.

Overall, no single system can decide a conventional war on its own. Clearly if Azerbaijani military leadership thought like that then we wouldn't have seen all those different acquisitions post-war, including the purchase of new fighter jets.

PS: Military relations goes beyond weapon supplies etc. Post-war reforms are based on Turkish army model according to official statements (commando brigades being one example).

 

[MMM-E]

There are 19 Harop launchers here alone. There is no info on exact numbers in open sources, but I don’t think they are in limited numbers. Each launcher has 9 ready to launch drones.

19 x 9 = 171 HAROPs ..... thats not a big number

TB-2 UCAVs used thousands of MAM-L laser guided munitions ( cost efective )

Each HAROP Drone costs approximately $700,000 on the other hand MAM-L laser guided munition costs $44.000

HAROP only had a range advantage and was used against targets including the S300s

most of Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , AFV-IFVs , mobile AD Systems and troops were destroyed by MAM-L laser guided munitions

As for TRLG-230, I doubt it was used in greater numbers than some of other guided artillery rockets and ballistic missiles.

Ballistic Missiles are so expensive and other artillery Rockets can not hit moving targets

Laser guided TRLG-230 was used in Karabakh War to hit even moving targets ( cost effective and lethal solution )

more cheper than HAROP kamikaze Drone and so difficult to intercept TRLG-230 supersonic Missile

TB-2 UCAVs marks and TRLG-230 MLRS strikes
( nowhere to hide and nowhere to run )


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Now Azerbaijan has AKINCI UCAVs

AKINCI UCAV now using ASELFLIR-600 E/O System to see military targets from 150 km away and to fire 150+ km IHA-230 supersonic Missiles


The 200-kilometer range mentioned here has increased slightly.

Technically, Mr. DENDIAS could be spotted by a Turkish UAV near Izmir while cooking meat at his residence in Athens.

from 139 km away

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