Turkish Helicopter Programs

DDG-80 , Magadh , Michael , hyperman


You guys are discussing it in the Pakistan section and the MODs warned everyone because it was off-topic

We can show the reality to all PDF users but in the Turkish section


Let’s get technical for a moment: The Dhruv’s advanced Shakti engine (co-developed with Safran) ensures it performs reliably even in challenging environments like the Siachen Glacier at altitudes above 20,000 feet. Turkey has made some drones and helicopters, but nothing that operates consistently at such extreme altitudes

1 --Turkish Drones operates at 30.000 feet altitude and reached 40.000 feet altitude

2--T-625 Helicopter reached its maximum service ceiling by flying at an altitude of 20.000 feet
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Their T129 ATAK helicopter also faced grounding due to export issues with American engines. Turkey has a habit of talking big, but when sanctions or foreign dependency come into play, the projects fall apart.

Turkiye has developed TEI TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine to power the T-625 Utility Helicopter and It can power the T-629 Attack Helicopter too

Proof-Evidance from official website


Utility Helicopter with Turboshaft Engine Technology in the World


USA : S-70 Black Hawk ( General Electric T700-GE-701D )
UK : AW159 Wildcat - Rolls-Royce Turbomeca RTM322
France : EC-725 ( Turboméca ( SAFRAN ) Makila 2A1 )
Russia : MI-38 ( Klimov TV7-117V )
China : Z-18 ( WZ-6C )
Turkiye : T-625 Gökbey ( TEI TS-1400 )

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T-625 Helicopter made the first flight with indigenous TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine in 2023 .....
 
TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine receive EASA Certification

Proof-Evidance from official website



TEI has also been certified with the Part 145 Maintenance Organization Approval granted by EASA


In the latest endurance tests, the TUSAS Engine Industry’s (TEI) TS1400 turboshaft engine reached 1740 shp emergency power, setting a new record. Within the scope of EASA certification, TS1400 has completed EASA CS-E 740, an endurance test involving 6 hours of wear-down 15 times consecutively.


T-625 Multirole Utility Helicopter

Length : 15.87 m
Max take off weight : 6050 kg
Max cruise speed : 306 km/h
Service ceiling : 6.096 m
Range : 740 km
Capacity : 12
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Following the endurance test, the engine was tested in a one-engine inoperative scenario where the helicopter needed to be able to make an emergency landing on one engine. In the emergency test, Turkiye’s first Indigenous turboshaft engine reached 1740 shp emergency power, previously stated as 1660 shp. TS1400’s continuous power rating is 1400 shp, which is also likely to increase over time, like the emergency power.

TS-1400 Engine can be adapted for military ones like the T129 ATAK attack helicopter and the future T629 attack helicopter to succeed T129

 
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Turkey’s defense industry might like to flaunt achievements, but let’s be real: it’s far from the self-reliant powerhouse some claim it to be. Sure, they’ve got the TF6000 and TF10000 engines, but those are largely prototypes. Neither of these engines have been fully integrated into operational platforms yet. The TF35000 engine, which Turkey is hyping, is still in its development stage, and there's no evidence of it being anywhere near testing or production. To compare that to India's Kaveri is missing the point. While Kaveri didn’t meet its original fighter jet ambitions, the tech is being repurposed for UAV applications like the Ghatak stealth drone program. The Kaveri engine's evolution is tangible—it’s heading toward actual use, not just a "vision." https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/gtre-kaveri-80-kn-engine-new-engine-or-rebirth.2306/

Turkey’s defense sector still leans heavily on external support. Take the Altay tank program—what happened when Germany stopped exporting engines? The entire project stalled. This isn't a one-off issue; their T129 ATAK helicopter also faced grounding due to export issues with American engines. Turkey has a habit of talking big, but when sanctions or foreign dependency come into play, the projects fall apart. You can’t call a defense industry advanced if it relies on others for critical components. Even with the engine development, Turkey needed Rolls-Royce and General Electric just to move forward with the TF-X project. This dependency undermines the whole argument about timelines or supposed success.

Let’s talk about real achievements. Turkey likes to boast about timelines, but when it comes to actual, successful inductions, India has a solid track record, especially with its helicopter programs developed by HAL. Take the ALH Dhruv for instance—this helicopter is a game-changer. It’s not just another prototype but a fully operational platform that has been successfully inducted into the Indian Armed Forces. Over 400 units have been delivered to various branches, including the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard. The Dhruv isn’t just sitting pretty in a hangar somewhere; it’s deployed in high-altitude operations, disaster relief missions, and maritime roles.

Let’s get technical for a moment: The Dhruv’s advanced Shakti engine (co-developed with Safran) ensures it performs reliably even in challenging environments like the Siachen Glacier at altitudes above 20,000 feet. Turkey has made some drones and helicopters, but nothing that operates consistently at such extreme altitudes. Plus, the Rudra variant of the Dhruv brings a whole new dimension, with attack capabilities that include a 20mm turret gun, rocket pods, and ATGMs. Rudra is already operational and has been performing exceptionally well in military operations and during the 2020 standoff with China.

And if we’re talking about versatility, India’s Light Utility Helicopter has also been designed to replace the aging fleet of Cheetah and Chetak helicopters. The LUH has been successfully tested in high-altitude regions like Siachen, where it proved its capability in extreme conditions. HAL has not only designed and produced these helicopters but has done so with indigenous technology, ensuring that India doesn’t have to depend on foreign components or approvals.

India's success in helicopter development goes beyond flashy prototypes or media hype. HAL’s helicopters are in the hands of soldiers, operating in the harshest conditions imaginable. India’s platforms are battle-tested, inducted, and operational—making a real impact where it matters most.

@DDG-80

you can't mention reliance on foreign engines, then mention the dhruv in the same breathe. lol

That "shakti engine" is not indian, its French. Its the Safran Ardiden thats just manufactured in India.

You mentioned the Altay tank program, no problem. Lets compare the foreign components on the Altay Tank and the foreign components on the Arjun and we will see.

You mentioned the T129 and then knocked it for a license built engine, but every helicopter built by India uses a foreign engine. So i don't really understand the overall point here.

Same thing with the TF-X, you knock it for a GE engine. What exactly is powering the Tejas again? oh thats right... a GE engine, b/c the Kaveri project from 1986 still hasn't managed to meet requirements. lol

You keep mentioning the Kaveri "heading towards actual use", while still calling the TF6000 and TF10000 prototypes. how many Kaveris have been put on actual platforms they are intended for? even for testing that doesn't exist. No Kaveri fitted to a drone let alone a fighter jet for production or even testing.

There seems to be a double standard in place.
 
@DDG-80

you can't mention reliance on foreign engines, then mention the dhruv in the same breathe. lol

That "shakti engine" is not indian, its French. Its the Safran Ardiden thats just manufactured in India.

You mentioned the Altay tank program, no problem. Lets compare the foreign components on the Altay Tank and the foreign components on the Arjun and we will see.

You mentioned the T129 and then knocked it for a license built engine, but every helicopter built by India uses a foreign engine. So i don't really understand the overall point here.

Same thing with the TF-X, you knock it for a GE engine. What exactly is powering the Tejas again? oh thats right... a GE engine, b/c the Kaveri project from 1986 still hasn't managed to meet requirements. lol

You keep mentioning the Kaveri "heading towards actual use", while still calling the TF6000 and TF10000 prototypes. how many Kaveris have been put on actual platforms they are intended for? even for testing that doesn't exist. No Kaveri fitted to a drone let alone a fighter jet for production or even testing.

There seems to be a double standard in place.

He’s a typical Hindu nationalist. Absolutely zero logic or reason behind his claims. They live in glass houses while throwing stones at others.
 
i see no indian superiority over general Turkish defence industry. We have equivelent or better product than indian ones. We lack engines so do indians! but we have Nato quality weapons that india lacks.
 

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