Turkish Naval Programs

I'm criticizing MMM-E's ultranationalistic simple-minded unrealistic version of Turkey where everything is perfect. To a normal person and I have to assume that you're a normal person,I can say that our Navy has been left behind and although the ND government of 2019 made a good start in 2020-2021,they slowed down in 2022 and completely fucked it up from 2023 to now.

For example: We were supposed to buy 6 FREMM from France in 2009,the economic crisis started,the Germans said no,we had no money for a decade,most navy projects that were underway were slowly completed,the shipyards abandoned,the Armed Forces neglected etc.

In 2019-2020 we had the Navy ask for:

  1. Four new frigates
  2. Interim solution
  3. Upgrade of the 4 MEKO 200HN frigates
The government granted 5,5 billion euros for that. However,that wasn't enough because the Navy had reached a point that we had to:

  • Replace/retire the 9 Kortenaer frigates
  • Replace/retire the 4 obsolete Type 209 submarines(specifically the Glavkos and Poseidon class)
  • Maybe retire 5 or all 8 of the Combattante FAC
The MEKO upgrade itself turned into a joke as it was being cancelled again and again for years.

So we start with 3+1 FDI HN. We know we need new ships. They don't buy the option. They decide to buy the option after it expires. So we're talking about 4 FDI HN frigates with a proposal from the French for an additional 3 to be built in Greece.

Then come the Italians and offer us the FREMM Bergamini that will be retired when Italy starts receiving the FREMM EVO. For start,we want the first two and then possibly the next two. The Navy and government also finally decided to upgrade the MEKO. They also want to upgrade the 4 Type 214(Papanikolis class)submarines and the 7 Super Vita FAC.

Now,I don't know what they want to order,but they are asking for new submarines that will have the capability to carry cruise missiles.

As you can see,our Navy isn't in the best position,but the Turkish Navy too is also far from the superpower position MMM-E talks about. You only have 1 ISTIF class now and the TF-2000 will take some time to be built. As for the number of cells and all that,we'll see. There's a lot of boasting from the Turkish side,but unless you actually see it happening with full and functional cells,that's just big talk.

The problem is our dumb leaders wasted time here,not knowing if they want to buy corvettes as well or get free LCS from the Americans. Then they imagined Constellation frigates,then EPC corvettes in the far future,one day they want 32 Aster-30 on the FDI,the next day 24 Aster-30 and 8 MdCN.

Hopefully,the Navy leadership will pressure them to take serious measures. BUT we did get and are still getting Exocet Block 3c on the ships,not just "AM39 Exocet" that MMM-E talks about.


Yes, I had followed many of the things you mentioned, but I also stopped following because I no longer understand what Greece is trying to do. You are a member of the EU, a member of NATO, and you are not really excluded by the West like Türkiye is. When I think about this, I say, “If they really wanted to build a ship, they could get systems and technology transfers from everywhere.” But the result? Buying ready-made and second-hand ships from other countries.


I gave the TCG Anadolu task force as a future example. As far as I remember right now, the İstif-class more specifically the TCG İstanbul still does not have the Quadpack system. It will probably be updated soon; for now, while it is still in the navy’s hands, it is essentially in a phase of naval testing and experience-gaining. From what we can see right now, a Greece and Türkiye conflict is not close, and that’s why I gave an example from the future for something that could happen later because if we think 4 or 5 years ahead, at least 1 or 2 TF-2000s will be in the water, or 1 will be launched and, like the TCG İstanbul, will be in testing and experience gaining with the navy. And the İstif-class ships will have the Quadpack VLS system.


If we really look at it, it’s very obvious that this will not happen anyway. I mean, what do you expect from a war scenario drawn up in two minutes on a forum? As I said, just by looking at the technical data, I said that even in the future, the Greek navy alone would have a very hard time having the capability to saturate just with its navy. And even with simple reasoning, the TCG Anadolu has no business in the Aegean anyway.


Let’s hope no conflict breaks out.
 
I'm criticizing MMM-E's ultranationalistic simple-minded unrealistic version of Turkey where everything is perfect.

I am talking about reality ...

Turkiye now produce 34 Warships ... on the other hand Greece can not modernize even its MEKO-200HN Frigates



Source : Jul 22 2025 Naval Forces Commander Admiral Ercüment Tatlıoğlu:

We are currently building 34 warships simultaneously.
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even only Turkish UCAV fleet is enough to wipe out enemy naval fleet in the Eastern Mediterranean

Turkiye has over 300 UCAVs
Whole Europe doesnt have even 100 UCAVs

wtf are you still trolling ?
 
Yes, I had followed many of the things you mentioned, but I also stopped following because I no longer understand what Greece is trying to do. You are a member of the EU, a member of NATO, and you are not really excluded by the West like Türkiye is. When I think about this, I say, “If they really wanted to build a ship, they could get systems and technology transfers from everywhere.” But the result? Buying ready-made and second-hand ships from other countries.
It's a mess because of illogical decisions and corruption. One thing that's become a joke here is that we often buy something in small numbers instead of big enough numbers or we buy something excellent,but only basic FOS. If you put the economic crisis aside,a lot of the ND government's decisions when it comes to the Armed Forces don't make sense.

That's why most of us are frustrated at defence sites at the comments.

For example:

  • After the war in Nagorno-Karabakh we saw the importance of UCAVs and loitering munitions. Our goverment didn't care to rush and buy enough from any country.
  • After the war in Ukraine started in 2022,we saw how invaluable the 5th gen top-down attack AT weapons are against a numerically superior army. For example Turkey. Well instead of rushing to buy NLAW,Javelin,SPIKE SR,they waited and decided to order some SPIKE NLOS from Israel. Not from EuroSpike,but directly from Israel while it was at war. They still haven't delivered anything. They wouldn't go and buy NLAW or Javelin just in case!
  • Another problem is the opposition,which sometimes complains or refuses to vote for good defence deals. When the war in Ukraine started the Germans asked us to give them BMP-1s to send to the Ukrainians and they would give us Marder 1A3 which we badly needed. Due to some opposition parties complaining about this by saying "the government wants to leave the islands unprotected by removing the BMPs and replacing them with M113s",we ended up only getting 40 Marder 1A3s, while the Germans went on and donated many to Ukraine on their own and keeping the rest for themselves.
  • Indecision or deliberate indecision at the highest levels: 2021-2022 were supposed to buy 3+1 Gowind corvettes from France or FCX-30 from Italy. Time passes,they decide not to buy anything,waiting for the Americans to give 4 free LCS. Americans say they're not giving the ones in good condition that we wanted,so that deal's cancelled. There is A LOT of criticism on Dendias @hyperman 's favorite 😛claiming he is not signing anything (except for the F-35 and Black hawk). Many say it's more of an internal fight between Mitsotakis and Dendias. Many also say it's because Dendias doesn't want to be accused in the future of signing costly deals.
  • It's been almost 5 years since the war in Nagorno-Karabakh and we've seen the importance of modern AA weapons and EW. Our leaders are still not sure about which systems to buy in order to start retiring the Soviet/Russian ones(OSA AKM, Tor-M1,S-300PMU1)and HAWK,Skyguard Velos and Stinger. There's two possible reasons for this: Either there's no money or no political will.
Apart from all that,we have a history of destroying our own defence industry,because of government corruption and political decisions. Did you know Greece had a UAV program way before Turkey? We had our own UAV back in the '90s and early 2000s,but
they stopped investing in it. We had shipyards. The Super Vita(Roussen Class)FAC was built in Greece with British plans and support.


It's more or less on the same level as Ada. Maybe even better in some aspects. Then the shipyards fell into decline with the economic crisis and all the mismanagement from companies and the governments.
 
Hopefully,the Navy leadership will pressure them to take serious measures. BUT we did get and are still getting Exocet Block 3c on the ships,not just "AM39 Exocet" that MMM-E talks about.

Wowwww what a missile power only EXOCET Block3

Turkiye has its own
-- SOM , ATMACA , CAKIR anti-ship Missiles
-- KGK-IHA-82 Bomb with RF seeker for anti-ship role ( 230 kg warhead )
-- TOLUN-IIR and KUZGUN-TJ with IIR and RF seeker variants to hit Warships
-- KEMANKES and SUPER LIGHTNING Cruise Missiles
-- EREN high speed loitering munition with IIR seeker

150+ km IHA-230 air launched supersonic Ballistic Missile
500+ km 300-ER air launched supersonic Ballistic Missile with TV Camera seeker

Turkiye develops RAMJET powered supersonic Missile
Turkiye develops AKBABA supersonic anti-radiation Missile
and Hypersonic anti-ship Ballistic Missile based on TAYFUN Missile

Also unmanned combat and kamikaze Vessels

Even whole Europe does not have this much missile variety
 
Turkiye has its own
-- SOM , ATMACA , CAKIR anti-ship Missiles
-- KGK-IHA-82 Bomb with RF seeker for anti-ship role ( 230 kg warhead )
-- TOLUN-IIR and KUZGUN-TJ with IIR and RF seeker variants to hit Warships
-- KEMANKES and SUPER LIGHTNING Cruise Missiles
-- EREN high speed loitering munition with IIR seeker
Not enough,not enough.
in this day and age your asking for a source

just use internet and you will find
Yes,you mentioned that shit,you provide a source. Because it's not the first time you mention wrong historical things,you've been exaggerating or providing downright fictional info or numbers often,when it comes to historical matters.
 
What is biggest tonnage warship turkey has build in recent time for there Navy
 
10 new type FACs to attack like Sharks


It will be capable of conducting surface engagements using long-range guided missiles and conducting coordinated attacks with Frigates and airborne Vehicles


Length: 68 m
Tonnage: 700 t
Maximum speed: 39+ knots
Range: 800 nm

1 x 76 mm naval gun
8 x ATMACA anti-ship missiles
1 x GOKSUR-100N or LEVENT PDMS
2 x 12,7 mm Remote Controlled Weapon System
2 x Chaff/Decoy System

  • Combat Management System (CMS) (NATO/National TDL Link 11-22)
  • 3D Surveillance Radar
  • Fire Control Radar (including EO Suite TV/IR/LRF)
  • Electro-Optical Director (EO Suite TV/IR/LRF)
  • Electronic Support Measures (ESM) System
  • Laser Warning System
  • KATS (360 Degree Rotating Antenna)
  • IFF (inc. Mode 5)
  • 2x Navigation Radars (X-Band)
  • Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) Radar
  • GPS/DGPS
  • 2x Inertial Navigation System (INS) Gyros
  • (W)ECDIS (Warship Electronic Chart Display and Information System)
  • (W)AIS (Wide Area Information System)
  • Ship Data Distribution System
  • Integrated Ship Information System (ISIS) (NATO/National)
  • Communication Control System (CCS)
  • INMARSAT and SATCOM (Ka / X Band)

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We should arm FACs with 100 km EREN IIR guided high speed loitering munitions
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FDI Frigate vs ISTIF Frigate .. (Greece is tired of Turkiye's power games)




Türkiye responds to Greece's purchase of 4 Frigates with 18 new Platforms

Greece : 4 FDI Frigates
Turkiye : 8 ISTIF Frigates and 10 HISAR OPVs .. ( TF-2000 Destroyer is another level )



Greece buys 4 FDI Frigates

Length : 122 m
Displacement : 4,460 t

Thales SEA FIRE AESA S-band multi-function Radar
Electronic warfare : Thales SENTINEL R-ESM system / ALTESSE-H C-ESM system

1 x OTOMEARA 76 mm naval Gun
8 x Exocet MM-40 Block 3 anti-ship missiles
21 x RAM Block2B
32 x Aster 15 /30 surface-to-air missiles
MU-90 Torpedos

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Turkiye produce 8 ISTIF class Frigates and 10 HISAR OPVs

Length : 113 m
Displacement : 3.100 t

Aselsan CENK-400N AESA search Radar
Electronic warfare : ESM: ASELSAN ARES 2N/NGE - ECM: AREAS 2NC/E

1 x MKE 76 mm naval Gun
16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles
1 x KORKUT-D 35 mm CIWS
64 x HISAR-D surface-to-air missiles ( with quad pack capability )
ORKA or MK-46M5 Torpedos

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A radar might have a theoretical range of 250 nm
but Ship radars are limited by Radar Horizon ...
The SPQ-9B on a Burke Destroyer is about 125 feet up off the water. ( The SPQ-9B radar horizon is 22 nautical miles - 40 km )

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Network Centric Warfare and cooperative engagement capabilities via T-LINK national data link

ADVENT Network Enabled Data Integrated Combat Management System

E-7T AEWC or AKINCI UCAV or F-16 OZGUR ( MURAD-100 AESA Radar )

E-7T AEWC will find enemy Warships from long distance ( 200-250 km ) and to guide 220+ km ATMACA anti-ship Missiles from ISTIF class Frigates
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10 HISAR class OPVs to protect the Blue Homeland

1x 76 mm Naval Gun
1x 35 mm CIWS GOKDENIZ
8x HISAR-D SAMs
8x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles

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Türkiye responds to Greece's purchase of 4 Frigates with 18 new Platforms

Greece : 4 FDI Frigates
Turkiye : 8 ISTIF Frigates and 10 HISAR OPVs .. ( TF-2000 Destroyer is another level )
In your posts the last 3 years,you have often stated that Greece is not your rival,that "tiny Greece" or "pathetic Greece" is not to be compared with Turkey. Specifically "do not compare your pathetic Greece with..."

Yet,you're obsessed with comparing all your equipment with us. Even though you and a few others will insist all this is for "bigger enemies".
 
Yet,you're obsessed with comparing all your equipment with us. Even though you and a few others will insist all this is for "bigger enemies".

Greek PM Mitcotakis
The issue is not what our neighbours are doing, but what we are doing. We have a serious strategic advantage. A year from now we'll have 3 ultra-modern Frigates.



Turkiye is currently building 34 Warships simultaneously
The Turkish Navy is coming to become stronger than Hellenic+Egyptian+Israeli Navies combined


even the French Navy will be faint to compare with the Turkish Navy, when MUGEM Aircraft Carrier , 8 TF-2000 class Destroyers , 8 ISTIF Frigates , 4 modernized MEKO-200TN Frigates , 10 HISAR OPVs , 10 new FACs , STM-500 mini attack Submarines , 6 REIS ( Type-214TN ) class AIP Submarines , MILDEN class AIP Submarines , NUKDEN class nuclear Submarines , RAMJET powered supersonic anti-ship Missile , Hypersonic anti-ship Ballistic Missile , etc enter service



Associate Professor Dr. Colonel UCAR, Director of the Naval Forces Design Project Office:

Information exchange with TAI is ongoing regarding the KAAN's ability to take off and land from MUGEM Aircraft Carrier should it be produced

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Türkiye's technological and production superiority


Countries in the region like Israel , Greece , Egypt dont produce their own Corvette , OPV , Frigate , Destroyer , etc

on the other hand Turkiye produce its own Corvette , OPV , Frigate , Destroyer , etc



Türkiye is now on the verge of achieving the same tremendous success at sea , it achieved with UCAVs in the air

MARLIN-2 unmanned combat Vessel with 2 x CAKIR cruise missiles
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10 MARLIN-2 unmanned combat Vessels can ire 20 CAKIR anti-ship Missiles for swar attack

Range : 150+ km
Warhead : 70 kg
Speed : mach 0.85
Guidance : Mid-Phase Guidance: INS , GNSS , Radar Altimeter , Barometric Altimeter , Terrain Referenced Navigation System Terminal Phase Guidance: Imaging Infrared-IIR RF Seeker Hybrid (IIR+RF) Seeker , Datalink
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another 10 MARLIN-2 unmanned combat Vessels can fire 200 KUZGUN Missiles for swarm attack for hitting enemy Warship's radar and other sensor systems
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Range : 40+ km ( KUZGUN-KY ) - 150+ km ( KUZGUN-TJ )
Guidance : IIR seeker
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