Turkish Sensor and Detector Programs

hyperman said:
Well yes but ABM usually requires quite a lot of radars for tracking and guidance of the missile as well as several interceptors and a largely predictable ballistic trajectory.

The air to air missile is a lot more complicated, its moves a lot more, you don't have the same level of tracking and guidance radars and the plane itself is quite delicate where the missile need not even hit the plane for the plane to go down, b/c the missile usually don't rely on a kinetic kill but a proximity fuse and other things.

The whole process we have no idea if this is going to be viable. its complicated enough deploying hard kill systems on tanks, this thing is even more complicated.

you might end up throwing billions and may not even have a viable product at the end of the day.
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Yes, it is its own set of very complicated parameters to even enable the hard kill system to get close enough for the proximity fuse to fire and achieve a kill. But worth the effort, IMHO, if it could increase survivability of these extremely expensive platforms.
 
FuturePAF said:
Yes, it is its own set of very complicated parameters to even enable the hard kill system to get close enough for the proximity fuse to fire and achieve a kill. But worth the effort, IMHO, if it could increase survivability of these extremely expensive platforms.
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I think we are more likely to see a Laser Weapon onboard which also deals this defense before we ever see a hard kill missile, so many variables and ways in which the interceptions have to be perfect and what happens when we see something like a Starstreak MIRV type air to air missile, the starstreak manpad already have 3 dart submunitions that get released after the missile has fired and traveled up to a certain distance, what if someone does that with a air to air missile. waay too many complication where now to defeat a single missile you are firing multiple interceptors and you are able to track each independent submission. A very difficult ask if you ask me, trying to have more interceptors than the other guy has missiles with submunitions, plus an additional dedicated radar to detect and track it, and b/c its an air to air missile, its incredibly maneuverable unlike a ballistic trajectory that can be predicted.
 
hyperman said:
I think we are more likely to see a Laser Weapon onboard which also deals this defense before we ever see a hard kill missile, so many variables and ways in which the interceptions have to be perfect and what happens when we see something like a Starstreak MIRV type air to air missile, the starstreak manpad already have 3 dart submunitions that get released after the missile has fired and traveled up to a certain distance, what if someone does that with a air to air missile. waay too many complication where now to defeat a single missile you are firing multiple interceptors and you are able to track each independent submission. A very difficult ask if you ask me, trying to have more interceptors than the other guy has missiles with submunitions, plus an additional dedicated radar to detect and track it, and b/c its an air to air missile, its incredibly maneuverable unlike a ballistic trajectory that can be predicted.
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Laser weapons require too much power, so the best bet is a way to lure the threat to where you want it.

But a micro-anti radiation missile could homing in on the seeker of a long range BVR missile, to get close enough to fire its proximity fuse. Possibly the electronics from a towed decoy put on a very maneuverable WVR missile body could do the trick and destroy the missile far enough out to prevent shrapnel from damaging the platform.

It’s also possible the KAAN will carry 4 towed decoys the way the F-35 does. Does Türkiye make a towed decoy (preferably one trained against the S-400 and Rafale)? Türkiye as originally a F-35 partner (and potentially a future operator) would have a head start on developing its own version of this concept.

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Ever missiles with IR seekers could be blinded with a high speed pulse of laser energy if the weapon can quickly detect and focus enough energy that direction.

So orienting the development of the HK-DAS missile would be best suited against IR guided WVR missiles. Extreme maneuverability within a fraction of a second and within 5 km.
 
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FuturePAF said:
Laser weapons require too much power, so the best bet is a way to lure the threat to where you want it.

But a micro-anti radiation missile could homing in on the seeker of a long range BVR missile, to get close enough to fire its proximity fuse. Possibly the electronics from a towed decoy put on a very maneuverable WVR missile body could do the trick and destroy the missile far enough out to prevent shrapnel from damaging the platform.

It’s also possible the KAAN will carry 4 towed decoys the way the F-35 does. Does Türkiye make a towed decoy (preferably one trained against the S-400 and Rafale)? Türkiye as originally a F-35 partner (and potentially a future operator) would have a head start on developing its own version of this concept.

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Ever missiles with IR seekers could be blinded with a high speed pulse of laser energy if the weapon can quickly detect and focus enough energy that direction.

So orienting the development of the HK-DAS missile would be best suited against IR guided WVR missiles. Extreme maneuverability within a fraction of a second and within 5 km.
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I believe there is a towed decoy on the KAAN, MME would know, should ask him.
 
@MME Does the KAAN have a towed decoy?
 
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Turkiye becomes the 2nd Country in NATO after USA

USA
American MQ-9B Sea Guardian is designed to fly over the horizon via satellite in all types of weather to deliver real time situational awareness anywhere in the maritime domain day or night

Thanks to Leonardo SEASPRAY AESA Maritime Radar with range of 320 nm


TURKIYE
370 km Aselsan FULMAR-500A AESA Radar will be integrated into AKINCI and AKSUNGUR UAVs for long-range , wide-area maritime and ground surveillance capability
 
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MURAD AESA radar is going to be ready by 2026. It's in testing phase now. In an innovative way Akinji HALE UAVs are being used for test purposes. Due to it's physical design and functionality, AESA radar testing and optimization for myriad number of modes (detection, EW, EA etc.) is a task in itself. For example Northrop Grumman uses a Boeing passenger a/c with a modified nose to test AESA radars developed for fighter jets. A dozen of engineers get on-board to test the parameters on-line. The Turkish test engineer will have to work at the ground with instant telemetry to receive the parameters and make a feedback to the designers. It's a damn arduous job. Developing and producing a proper GaN based AESA radar one of the major epitomes in the current air warfare technologies....

One positive thing, the Turkish AESA radar setup with man and machine can work 24/7, with shifts of course....

The PAF is fortunate to have operational AESA radars for its J-10Cs and JF-17 Blk 3s. It has given no respite to the IAF's Rafales....

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BAYKAR is exhibiting its Electro-Optical (EO) Systems, which it has developed completely nationally, for the first time within the scope of SAHAEXPO 2024

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