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[Ak01]

if your bully has sandals and rockets made from water pipes, while your victim has nuclear weapons and F-35s, sure

don't think the David and Goliath story quite works the way you and Israelis think it does these days

Well, if you have sandals and rockets made of water pipes, you shouldn’t poke the bear. FAFO. What did you think was going to happen? Israelis drop bombs of roses and hearts instead?

 

[Foinikas]

if your bully has sandals and rockets made from water pipes, while your victim has nuclear weapons and F-35s, sure

don't think the David and Goliath story quite works the way you and Israelis think it does these days

That is why I included Israel in the bullies. Them and the Turks have been the ones causing trouble in the area. And that's how the Turks met their match. Israelis picked on Palestinians and Lebanese,now Iran. The Turks picked on Kurds,Armenians,the SAA while it was fighting a gazillion proxies.

Now let's see if they have the guts to face each other. And if you tell me "but Israelis dragging you in this..." I'll reply brother we were always in this. Soon it will be 30 years since we almost went to war. In 2020 we almost went to war again. Erdogan's warmongering rhetoric and threats only stopped after the disaster in Turkey in 2023. And they are back again.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Well, if you have sandals and rockets made of water pipes, you shouldn’t poke the bear. FAFO. What did you think was going to happen? Israelis drop bombs of roses and hearts instead?

the prudence of Hamas' actions is a separate debate as to whether Israel is the bully or the victim.

 

[Ak01]

the prudence of Hamas' actions is a separate debate as to whether Israel is the bully or the victim.

Bruh this is a new cope

 

[Persian Gulf]

Bruh this is a new cope

what cope? the debate you inserted yourself into concerned whether Israel is the bully or the victim. not about Hamas. that's a separate debate for a separate thread.

 

[Ak01]

what cope? the debate you inserted yourself into concerned whether Israel is the bully or the victim. not about Hamas. that's a separate debate for a separate thread.

So who were the men in sandals with pipe rockets?

 

[Watandar]

Well, if you have sandals and rockets made of water pipes, you shouldn’t poke the bear. FAFO. What did you think was going to happen? Israelis drop bombs of roses and hearts instead?

What happened to Pakistanis and the only thing they know about Tipu Sultan "It is better to live one day like a lion than a hundred years like a hyena" ?

offtopic though, sorry mods

 

[Ak01]

What happened to Pakistanis and the only thing they know about Tipu Sultan "It is better to live one day like a lion than a hundred years like a hyena" ?

easy to say this when you're not the one getting blown to bits...

Then also, you should not complain when the other side attacks back, you lived like a lion, now dont complain when the adir's come to play...

 

[Watandar]

easy to say this when you're not the one getting blown to bits...

Then also, you should not complain when the other side attacks back, you lived like a lion, now dont complain when the adir's come to play...

This is not the space to discuss it but that approach is the national ideology of Pakistan as well. Pakistanis are not going to relive the humiliation of 1971 again.

War and genocide are also two different things.

 

[Ak01]

This is not the space to discuss it but that approach is the national ideology of Pakistan as well. Pakistanis are not going to relive the humiliation of 1971 again.

War and genocide are also two different things.

its only genocide when you get clapped so hard for starting stuff...amirite...

 

[Yasser76]

I think we all agree that Israel has been the bully the last 30-40 years for sure. Whether they were "bullied" in the pre-1967 era,that is up for debate. But my point here,which unfortunately I see many(specifically the Turks and pro-Turkish Pakistanis)not getting, is that Turkey is a country that's been bullying neighbors for years and Israel as a "no nonsense" country when it comes to their foreign policy and security,isn't taking that.
That's my point,they don't take well on bullies.

What Pakistanis don't know and willfully want to ignore,is that during the 2019-2022 period and more specifically up until the earthquakes in Turkey in 2023,we had been constantly "bombarded" by Turkish provocations and public threats.

A bit of history:

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For Pakistani and other friends who don't know the geography:

Actual map of Greece

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Bahceli,Erdogan's parliamentary ally

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Mavi Vatan,Turkey's now official doctrine

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And you guys,you guys...say we should be ashamed for cooperating with the yahood on this? You guys mock us and talk as if we did something very bad?

Let me ask you something @hasssanali8998 @Yasser76 @Ali_Baba @Watandar @Ak01

When Ataturk was taking gold and had the support of the Bolsheviks in the '20s was that good? Was that "halal"?

When the Turks were best friends with the Soviets before the start of the Cold War, when the Bolsheviks had butchered millions of people,not just Christians,but Muslims as well,Muslims your own people and destroyed mosques all over the Soviet Union and suppressed religion,was that halal? When Turks had great relations with them?

When Pakistan started cooperating with Mao's China,another vicious communist regime,a regime that supressed Islam and killed who knows how many Uyghurs,when you guys were cooperating with the PRC and buying weapons and getting ToT in the 70s and the 80s,was that ok?

The answer to both was "Well,it wasn't ok but we needed the help,because we had wars and we had enemies and we needed the help of stronger countries,since our traditional allies wouldn't help",well exactly! That's what I've been telling you for days,but every single time there's a new article about yahood or yunan you just go back to "Oooh Greece made big mistake now,they are plotting against Turkiye,they are being used by the Jews,they are complicit in genocide,they put pineapple on their pizza"

When you have a country opposite you which claims:

• Half of your EEZ
• "Taking back" your islands
• Denies Greek Cypriots their own EEZ and threatens with war if they drill
• Openly threatens with ballistic missiles
• Proudly announces is building 39 warships
• Orders Eurofighter and a big number of missiles
• Wants F-35
• Races to develop their own 5th gen fighter and already has a loyal wingman
• Has gone nuts producing weapons and military projects(we all remember the classic MMM-E's "800+ military projects")
• Sends UAVs near your islands
• Sends ships sailing as close as they can to your islands
• Has actively supported the fall of Baath Syria and created a vassal State
• Has gotten involved in Libya and created another vassal State
• Has a base in Albania,friendly relations with FYROM,BiH,Kosovo
• Has the support of Germany,Britain and in a smaller degree Italy and Spain in NATO and/or EU

What the heck are you gonna do? Don't tell me "eeew brother eeew",yes they are Israelis,yes they are the Netanyahu government which eradicated Gaza,bombed Lebanon,Iran and Syria. Man,their own ARAB brothers didn't do a thing to save them. Do you understand that? I'm not saying it's right,I'm saying not even their own Arab brothers helped them. Even Turkey and the Turks who are now condemning the closer relations of Greece and Israel,these self-righteous Turks,they did NOTHING to save their beloved brothers in Palestine. On the contrary,they transferred Azeri oil to Israel.

You guys scrutinize us for trying to stand up to Erdo and his gang.

Do me a favour and do not tag me in her desperate posts justifying genocide. I have a lot of respect for the Greek people but your government is vile. Just today we had the Greek PM justifying Trumps actions in Venezuala. I actually feel sorry for the Turks, it must be like being neighbours with India, so can sympathise.
You lot moan at the slightest infraction but spend half your diplomatic efforts trying to undermine the Turks. I really hope that now that Trump has set a precdent Erdagon finishes the job with you guys and takes back Islands that belong to Turkiye

 

[Watandar]

its only genocide when you get clapped so hard for starting stuff...amirite...

How is fighting an oppressive occupation since 1967 "starting stuff" ? I would argue the "stuff" started in 1948 with the Nakba, do you even know what that is ?

Gaza is called a genocide because of what the Israelis did, and many scholars, the UN and international bodies have also confirmed it.

Back to topic.

 

[MMM-E]

Then also, you should not complain when the other side attacks back, you lived like a lion, now dont complain when the adir's come to play...

Go and fight against HAMAS like real men instead of bombing innocent civilians

Turkish Army fought ISIS and PKK-YPG for years in Turkiye , Iraq and Syria but never killed over 70.000 innocent civilians including Babies , Women

 

[Persian Gulf]

damn it not this EEZ nonsense again. maybe someone can make a separate thread for that debate?

 

[Persian Gulf]

No,it's everything. Turks were friends with Bolsheviks,now nagging about yahood getting closer to us,years ago they were having common exercises and having their flags together,now all of a sudden "haram,haram!" and i got Yasser the Ertugrul fan Pakistani saying I'm approving genocide or whatever,because my country is having closer ties with Israel and won't even bother to see why and how this is all because of Turkey.

Haram! A Pakistani cannot speaketh against super-brother one nation-two countries the Sublime Porte,Turkiye. If Turkiye wipes out a people,"well they had it coming". If Turkiye has dealings with the yahood,"who are we to judge?". If Turkiye makes even a single screw,"we must buy this for Pakistan!". If Erdogan farts,"look how good it smells,our own leaders cannot fart this good!"

Yala,it's disappointing seeing so many Pakistanis not daring or not willing to comment contrary to Turkey,just in case they offend their super-brothers.

I don't really care about the Bolsheviks, but I know that Greece is very close with Israel while they are committing a genocide, and your prime minister gave a cowardly statement about now not being the right time to talk about international law after the US attacked Venezuela and kidnapped their president (and his wife). This is a shame. Your other claims about Turkey are probably true as well.