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[Aziqbal]

1 Squadron does not really cut it - it needs to be 3-5 once you factor in training, maintenance, crew rotations etc.

it won't be Pakistan alone

TuAF and Saudi AF have some very strong aircraft

kizilelma drone with GÖKDOĞAN air to air missiles would cause havoc on Israel in a air to air engagement

for the price of a F35I Turkey can build 4 x kizilelma

even at those ratios losses would be easily absorbed with inflicting huge blow on the Israeli F35I fleet

 

[Foinikas]

Would Greece or Cyprus help Israel I believe you have a kind of pact! I apologise if I’m wrong about this.

I'm not sure. There's nothing really solid yet with them. The one that's solid is with the French. But I doubt we'll do anything if Israelis strike bases or launch some operation in Turkey or against Turkish proxies. I seriously doubt it. Now,if they both go to war,you can count that it'd be used by Turkey as an excuse and opportunity to expand in the Aegean and Cyprus(or when it comes to Cyprus,maybe strike bases and infastracture). So that would automatically pull us in the war.

 

[Foinikas]

it won't be Pakistan alone

TuAF and Saudi AF have some very strong aircraft

kizilelma drone with GÖKDOĞAN air to air missiles would cause havoc on Israel in a air to air engagement

for the price of a F35I Turkey can build 4 x kizilelma

even at those ratios losses would be easily absorbed with inflicting huge blow on the Israeli F35I fleet

How sure are you that Saudi Arabia is willing get dragged in a war against Israel and the Americans,when they've done literally nothing to protect Palestinians the last 20 years and depend on Americans to protect them from Iran?

And how sure are you that Pakistan would go to war against Iran for the sake of Saudi Arabia? Or Turkey go to war in Yemen against the Houthis and Iran for the sake of the Saudis?

 

[KingQamaR]

Please Wake up GREECE don't be fooled into believing they( ZIOs) are with you They are only going to use you for their own nasty agenda. They are already using Cyprus as a military base. That’s was huge error by Cyprus.
Traitors UAEA and india will join Israel Egypt I don’t trust they I fear will side with ZIOs.

 

[Foinikas]

Please Wake up GREECE don't be fooled into believing they( ZIOs) are with you They are only going to use you for their own nasty agenda. They are already using Cyprus as a military base. That’s was huge error by Cyprus.
Traitors UAEA and india will join Israel Egypt I don’t trust they I fear will side with ZIOs.

They're not. But if the Turks,who are threatening us,have problems with the Israelis and the Israelis with them,then it's a chance we can't miss. Besides,we need their weapons and they are willing to give us more than others are.

 

[Ali_Baba]

it won't be Pakistan alone

TuAF and Saudi AF have some very strong aircraft

kizilelma drone with GÖKDOĞAN air to air missiles would cause havoc on Israel in a air to air engagement

for the price of a F35I Turkey can build 4 x kizilelma

even at those ratios losses would be easily absorbed with inflicting huge blow on the Israeli F35I fleet

I would for now, discount all the "development" projects that Turkiye are doing, because the military capability and military value will be 10 years from now if they are successful in their testing, and them deployed on "mass". Right now, very little translate to on field military capability. Turkiye is 1/3 of the way through their modernization and they have created capability gaps in that transition period that can be exploited by their enemies. That was always the risk as it is difficult to fund both local development and keep current capability relevant.

The point, and only point I am making is that the current Makkah Pact, is dead on arrival if either India or Israel decide to "test" the pact right now, this instance.... as none of the members has any spare capacity to give to the other members if they are attacked. Future plans are understood, but right now the execution is poorly though out.

The only grouping that works in the pact are Turkiye and Saudi, who have enough capability to take on Israel on in a combined manner, as they both face the same "enemy" etc.

It comes down to the hard logic of numbers on field "now", that translate into military capability now unfortunately.

 

[Aziqbal]

How sure are you that Saudi Arabia is willing get dragged in a war against Israel and the Americans,when they've done literally nothing to protect Palestinians the last 20 years and depend on Americans to protect them from Iran?

And how sure are you that Pakistan would go to war against Iran for the sake of Saudi Arabia? Or Turkey go to war in Yemen against the Houthis and Iran for the sake of the Saudis?

because Saudi are scared of USA

with Pakistan and Turkey they become brave

I know what you mean but no one spoke for Palestinians because war with Israel means war on USA

no islamic nation can take USA right now

but Chinese technology can helped Iran equal USA + Israel

so now others will follow

Turkey won't sit and lob missiles at Israel like Iran

they will go straight to Jerusalem

 

[hyperman]

Just "maybe", and I mean, "maybe" that will be enough cause for Türkiye to cut off the oil pipeline that serves oil to Israel from Azerbaijan ????? "Maybe" - but the pull of money might still be too strong for Türkiye to do that though ...

I've told you guys this a 100x, Its not Turkish oil, Turkey is only a transit country, it only gets offloaded from Turkish shores and sold to third parties, who then sell it to Israeli buyers. The only way to stop that is to shut the pipeline down, which will cause issues with Azerbaijan.

 

[hyperman]

Then why didn't Turkey do something to impose themselves in Syria? When Jolani took power,Erdogan said a few times that Turkey must guarantee Syria's integrity. Israel then went inside Northern Syria and captured more land. Turkey did nothing. Ok,let's say it's far to the south,let's say it was just about the Druze.

Then Israelis started bombing bases that were rumored to welcome Turkish forces in Syria. What did Turkey do? Nothing.

Israel flies and bombs Idlib,right next to Turkey,the THK is again absent. Not even flying anything to pretend an interception.

The government excuse is "we're not going to play Netanyahu's game".

Some questions though:

1.Iranian missiles fly over Turkish soil,Turkey incapable or unwilling to shoot them down,
they end up being shot down by Americans.
2.Israel dictates what Turkey can or can't do in Syria,flies next to you,again Turkey's reply is absent.
3.Erdogan declares support,love and protection for Palestinian brothers,but since late 2023 has done nothing practical to save them from the Zionist onslaught in Gaza.

Now,one can only wonder: Is all this Turkish military might good enough to bully countries and militaries like Greece,Cyprus,Armenia and Kurdish militias?

I think Turkey is actually afraid of a confrontation with Israel. Because Israelis,unlike Greeks and unlike Europeans and unlike Arabs in the area,take action. If they see a pair of Turkish F-16s and tell them "leave or be shot down",they know they'll be shot down. And that would be a blow to Erdogan's prestige. At a time when the THK is already weakened by purges and sanctions.

Cool story little bro. lol

 

[Ali_Baba]

I've told you guys this a 100x, Its not Turkish oil, Turkey is only a transit country, it only gets offloaded from Turkish shores and sold to third parties, who then sell it to Israeli buyers. The only way to stop that is to shut the pipeline down, which will cause issues with Azerbaijan.

So, if Israel attacks Türkiye, Turkey will still allow oil to "transit" it's land to Israel ??? Is this for real ?

We all know Türkiye is a transit country .....

Can you really expect people to come and maybe put their lives and die for Türkiye if is not prepared to "pull itself away" from oil transit fee's ?

 

[Foinikas]

Cool story little bro. lol

Oh yeah? What's your excuse then for Turkey being a regional superpower,but at the same time cowering when it comes to tiny Israel who "can't even defeat Iran"?

 

[Meengla]

Israel doesnt have enough power and military production capacity to fight Turkiye one on one in a long term war

Türkiye holds a decisive advantage over Israel in terms of military production capacity, population size, geographic depth and industrial sustainability
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The Turkish nation would give all its assets to the State in a war against Israel
The Turkish nation has more than 5,000 tons of gold ( $650 billion ) + $200 billion in cash in Banks.
Turkiye could find 1 trillion Dollars from Turkish nation + millions of Turks abroad and friendly brotherly Countries like rich Qatar, Kuwait , Saudi Arabia ,etc
And nuclear weapons from Pakistan

IMO, Turkey wins in a one-on-one. I don't know why people give so much credit to the F-35s as if Turkey is a tiny country without air defenses. I think even Iran was able to hit an F-35, though not down it, during the ongoing war on Iran. All those things in your post are Turkiye's strengths. And people need to stop lionizing Israel: It could not even defeat Hezbollah in 2006 and in 2023-25, it needed open American/NATO support to deplete Hezbollah.
Finally, Israel is a very depleted country: Flight of people, weaponry must be running low from the wars of last 3 years, economy has taken a hit, morale is low. Turkiye is fresh and has powerful allies including Pakistan's nuclear umbrella. The Pakistani nation would mobilize to come to Turkey's aid like happened over a century ago.

 

[mythbuster]

A stupid thread and with even stupider arguments.... Israel will never dare to attack Turkey , after Makkah alliance that never becomes never ever....as long as alliance holds Israel will not attack Saudi Arabia..... Pakistan is in a different league than Turkey and Saudi Arabia.... first , Israel has no direct conflict with Pakistan , Israel has no reason to go to war with Pakistan .... second , Israeli are not stupid and suicidal.... Israeli know what can be the worst case scenario in case of war with Pakistan.....this Makkah alliance is strictly for the protection of middle east ( east of Suez) ...
Yes , Pakistan may get some financial benefits and technology however it dwarfs in comparison to what Pakistan is giving to middle east.

 

[hyperman]

So, if Israel attacks Türkiye, Turkey will still allow oil to "transit" it's land to Israel ??? Is this for real ?

We all know Türkiye is a transit country .....

Can you really expect people to come and maybe put their lives and die for Türkiye if is not prepared to "pull itself away" from oil transit fee's ?

The issues isn't the transit fee which is minuscule(Turkey cut off all trade to Israel which has a far larger money sum attached), its Turkish interests in the Caucasus and Central Asia. The Azeris would be upset at the pipeline being shut down.

If Israel attacks then that oil pipeline would be shut down i.e. no oil would be flowing through Turkey, but at that point the Azeris likely would not protest.

 

[hyperman]

Oh yeah? What's your excuse then for Turkey being a regional superpower,but at the same time cowering when it comes to tiny Israel who "can't even defeat Iran"?

Can you stop with your troll comments? You are clearly trying to antagonize. You want to go on another 3 month vacation?