Unrest in AJK Update and Discussion

[hussain0216]

Partition fanda was only logic of a few leaders based on the religion. Is there any other country seperated based on religion difference in the world after 1900.

It does not means that it follows by the world.

Again, the world does not believe on such partition, usually partition happens around.the world if there is division between two parts based on mutual advantages/disadvantages, local people interest etc and all. Religion can a part but not a base.

On topic -
Problem.witb pak kashmir is a development and facilities i.e Universities, schools, jobs etc from many years, there are many videos available, now food inflation and electricity is causing more damage

What the hell are you talking about, we are enemies, we are enemy populations

What is it about the hindutva vermin do you think hundreds of millions of Muslims would want to sacrifice their own independence and freedom and national character


Partition was exactly right,, as Indian Muslims are finding out now they literally have no representation of their faith, culture or history in the state, it's only a hindutva extremist narrative they push and more then ever Indian Muslims need freedom

On topic, Azad Kashmir is better then most, it's easy to say of you have money, but Azad Kashmir has higher literacy, better infrastructure, it gets a lot of remittance from the community

Protests happen ,but this doesn't mean we would tolerate any Hindu or Indian

You clowns are getting mixed up

 

[MapleKing]

He confirms what I was referring to.

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[Baadil]

first of all snatan dharm never ever bilives in superiorty we dont have any saufght of complex or jelousy towards any so called religion thats why be it parsis/zorastrians or Jews or even arab muslim traders none of them were ever prosecuted for there religious belives under any Hindu king and all were given land to do trading and even worlds second oldest masjid and church are in kerala India and both were build under HINDU kings

St. Thomas Syro-Malabar Church, Palayur - Wikipedia

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Cheraman Juma Mosque - Wikipedia

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i was reffering to a member s post who thought India was made by so called RSS or BJP and that they are trmpling upon rights of muslim but there are 25 crore muslims but my point was are there only muslims in india only or did hindus made or propogated so called TWO NATION THEORY or divided this nation on basis of religion

NO SIR THIS NATION WAS NOT DIVIDED MY HINDUS BUT BY MUSLIMS WHEN ALMOST 90%+ MUS;LIMS ACROSS ALL INDIAN SUB CONTINENT VOTED FOR PAKISTAN IN 1946 ELECTIONS OVERWHELMINGLY AND IT/PAKISTAN MOVEMENT WAS ACYUALLY INDIATED BY MUSLIM FEUDALS AND ,MUSLIM EDUCATED MIDDLE CLASS AND STUDENTS OF ALIGHAR MUSLIM UNIVERSITY WAY BACK IN 1940S ON DICTACTS OF BRITISH WHICH HAD DONE IT BEFORE AS A EXPRIMENT IN 1905 WHEN THEY DIVIDED BENGAL EAST/MUSLIM AND WEST /HINDU

so check your facts its niether about Hindu Dharm or Islam but the greed of feudal and religious muslim elite which was used by british and the muslim massess which was always and still been used by there elite and still ont understanding the bogey which is now bieng created yet again

TELL ME ONE TIME IN YOUR HISTORY WHEN THESE MULLAHS DID NOT SAY "ISLAM KHTRRE ME HAIN ... JIHAD KARRO" OR MULK NAZZUKK DAUR SE GUZZARR RAHA HAI KURBAANEE DO AUR SABR KARRO ....?????

Your points are very understandable. One issue that arises is that Hindus and Muslims are morphed into ethnic identities

Rather, one should question why rule by Hindu belief system (such as by a Hindu king) is better than rule by Islamic system or perhaps the opposite is true. One should use their own reasoning to determine this and not let historic, geographic schisms based on religious identities determine their own way of life. Referring to the source material of each belief system, it can be seen which is more coherent and without contradiction.

So to reiterate, the Partition and its shockwaves have no bearing on which belief system is an objectively superior method of governance, as well as which has a coherent and just worldview.

 

[Baadil]

Bro, come forward and propose your solution to the current problems. In my opinion, we have created and nurtured so many mafias in Pakistan. Now those mafias are trying to wage a war against the state. When and where the government tries to rein in any of these mafias, many of them react in cohesion with a counter offensive against the state at many different fronts.

I agree with what you have described. If the water supply to a house is cut off, getting a new geyser wouldn't restore the water supply to it. But the question is how to resume the water supply? You first need to analyze and diagnose what and where exactly is the problem and only then you plan how to address it.

Maybe Nawaz Sharif understood correctly that to fix Pakistan’s “pipe leak”, peace with India is necessary to move out of this bunker state condition.

 

[Baadil]

The whole point of partition was as so we could seperate Muslim populations and majority stated away from a perceived Hindu enemy who we wanted no connection with

And yet Jinnah is quoted as saying
“You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the state.”
So even he did not envisage the infeasible idea of 100% separation of Muslims and Hindus [and other religions], rather as you said, a perceived Hindu enemy not the Hindu enemy.

And using contemporary affairs to justify historic actions is challenging as perhaps contemporary affairs would be different if historic actions had not occurred

 

[Guru Dutt]

Your points are very understandable. One issue that arises is that Hindus and Muslims are morphed into ethnic identities


So to reiterate, the Partition and its shockwaves have no bearing on which belief system is an objectively superior method of governance, as well as which has a coherent and just worldview.

what i am trying since start to put through is

1. since every action has a cause and then a response so dose Partition of India

2. Pakistan is still trying to keep that feeling of hate/voilence towards hindus alive by its so called Kashmir issue which it itself created when jinnah send afridis to attack kashmir other wise in a few weeks maybe it was going to come itself to pakistan

3. do you expect Hindus to forgive and forget all those people like british stooge Muslim leuge leaders or those common muslims in streets of west punjab or east bengal who looted and massekerred there own hindu niegbours or those AMU students who initiated partition movement which killed and uprooted millions of hindus forever from there acncesstrol homes and lands and now after 76 years same so caaled urdu skeeking muslims wantto comeback to india ......you think we have such short memory or have no identity ?????

4.whatever people of so called AJK as you call it are going thru now is what they asked for when they sided with afridies and slaughterred hindu soldiers on J&K rifels in sleep

5.What PA has done to so called AJK / GB it was to hapenn as army is there to fight and set claim on resources not genrate resources its job of politicians and beurocrats to run a nation and its economy but problem is your nation was not build for bettermnt of masses but as a buffer client state by the british with help of corrupt muslim feudal and religious elite after they fooled muslim masses with jihad and bogey of evil hindu which they still are

and until those old narratives change which i do not think they will nothing is going to change ....... there is no shortcut to success and as they say apne marre bagair kissee ko jannat hasil nahi hui

 

[Waz]

4.whatever people of so called AJK as you call it are going thru now is what they asked for when they sided with afridies and slaughterred hindu soldiers on J&K rifels in sleep

Oh chacha AJK was overrun by the AKRF before our Pashtun kin came. The Dogras had committed atrocity after atrocity on the people of Jammu close to 100,000 were slaughtered, raped in 1948, and you expected us to deal with them with flowers? They were wiped out by the veterans of the Second World War.

 

[Waz]

Well the demands have been met and it's calm now.
What of the three youngsters who died due to firing? Whoever fired those shots need to be arrested and tried for murder, this should not be let go of.
Anyway, I hope we don't see a reoccurrence of this inshallah.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Oh chacha AJK was overrun by the AKRF before our Pashtun kin came. The Dogras had committed atrocity after atrocity on the people of Jammu close to 100,000 were slaughtered, raped in 1948, and you expected us to deal with them with flowers? They were wiped out by the veterans of the Second World War.

well sir there was no so called massecrre of 100000 muslims by any dogra fauj in jammu or kashmir in 1948 as Hari sing acceded power to India on 26 OCT 1947

and this rumour of 100000 muslims massecerred bu dogras was propogated by your leaders to initiate a rebellion against Dogra king ... it was just a bogey just like WMDs in Iraq by USA which was found fictious post war but nothing could be done no one was punished for propogating those falacies

even many belived that masecerre hapenned before 1947 as king had no power after 26 cot 1947 J&K mahraja did not control indian kashmir or jammu but it was indian goverment taht controlled J&K sate by Indian army that was in control there specially till almost later half of the 1948 so get your facts right

and same dogras were the highest galantry award winners in WW2 after Gorkhas followed by Rajputana Rifels

 

[hussain0216]

And yet Jinnah is quoted as saying
“You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the state.”
So even he did not envisage the infeasible idea of 100% separation of Muslims and Hindus [and other religions], rather as you said, a perceived Hindu enemy not the Hindu enemy.

And using contemporary affairs to justify historic actions is challenging as perhaps contemporary affairs would be different if historic actions had not occurred

Yeah, free in a Muslim state

They are still a historic enemy of our people and India today is testimony to that

What reflection of the Indian Muslim faith, history, culture, character to you see displayed by the Indian state?

The same state will support temples being built, statues to Hindu historical figures etc naming convention of weapons and programmes almost entirely based upon Hindu crap

Literally what represents HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF INDIAN MUSLIMS

A people should have more self respect then to put themselves in that situation

 

[lightning f57]

Well it's failure of Pakistani intelligence service.

My take on this is quite different. A popular government was removed and replaced by an unpopular mixed band of thieves. Post election the majority of the public voted against these band of thieves but they ended up back in power.

When you have an unpopular government unrest is likely especially under severe economic conditions.

 

[TopGun786]

Partition fanda was only logic of a few leaders based on the religion. Is there any other country seperated based on religion difference in the world after 1900.

It does not means that it follows by the world.

Again, the world does not believe on such partition, usually partition happens around.the world if there is division between two parts based on mutual advantages/disadvantages, local people interest etc and all. Religion can a part but not a base.

On topic -
Problem.witb pak kashmir is a development and facilities i.e Universities, schools, jobs etc from many years, there are many videos available, now food inflation and electricity is causing more damage

Why don't you listen from an Azad Kashmiri himself?
Yes, recently we we have a lot of complaints from Pakistan government (only government) and it is 100% reality that handlers in Pakistani side and their puppets (our AJK leaders) are incompetent.
Yes we asked fro our rights.... Especially our pending royalty from Mangla dam and other hydal projects, reduction in prices, control inflation, ends perks of assembly members, plus some other things (no time to discuss here).
Yes it's reality things were handled in extremely unprofessional way by Pakistani agencies and law enforcement
BUT.... INDAI
Still we Azad Kashmiris don't want to join India.
On the whole, we don't love India.
On the whole, we still hate India.
India is the main oppressor on other side of Kashmir and even there although India did a lot recently to improve situation but people still haven't forgot what India did to them.
For so many years Kashmiri in India occupied Kashmirs suffered a kind of genocide and oppression and older generation still have a lot of trust issues.
Even now as RSS ideology governs India Kashmiris are at the verge of greater risk that any mischief compared to Pakistan.
So... My dear Hindustani... Do not get your hopes high in this situation.
Still Azad Kashmiris will love to hang bodies of any Indian intruders on the thorny trees here... Upside down.

 

[TopGun786]

well sir there was no so called massecrre of 100000 muslims by any dogra fauj in jammu or kashmir in 1948 as Hari sing acceded power to India on 26 OCT 1947

and this rumour of 100000 muslims massecerred bu dogras was propogated by your leaders to initiate a rebellion against Dogra king ... it was just a bogey just like WMDs in Iraq by USA which was found fictious post war but nothing could be done no one was punished for propogating those falacies

even many belived that masecerre hapenned before 1947 as king had no power after 26 cot 1947 J&K mahraja did not control indian kashmir or jammu but it was indian goverment taht controlled J&K sate by Indian army that was in control there specially till almost later half of the 1948 so get your facts right

and same dogras were the highest galantry award winners in WW2 after Gorkhas followed by Rajputana Rifels

There was this massacre. As a native Kashmiri myself I can testify those horrors and crimes committed by maharaja and later Indian army. My forefathers suffered those horrors and related tales to us.

 

[313Ghazi]

There was this massacre. As a native Kashmiri myself I can testify those horrors and crimes committed by maharaja and later Indian army. My forefathers suffered those horrors and related tales to us.

Exactly, idk where these people come from with their BJP whatsapp group data.

 

[Waz]

well sir there was no so called massecrre of 100000 muslims by any dogra fauj in jammu or kashmir in 1948 as Hari sing acceded power to India on 26 OCT 1947

and this rumour of 100000 muslims massecerred bu dogras was propogated by your leaders to initiate a rebellion against Dogra king ... it was just a bogey just like WMDs in Iraq by USA which was found fictious post war but nothing could be done no one was punished for propogating those falacies

even many belived that masecerre hapenned before 1947 as king had no power after 26 cot 1947 J&K mahraja did not control indian kashmir or jammu but it was indian goverment taht controlled J&K sate by Indian army that was in control there specially till almost later half of the 1948 so get your facts right

and same dogras were the highest galantry award winners in WW2 after Gorkhas followed by Rajputana Rifels

Guru jee the massacre was on the opposite side of the LOC. It is well documented.

From the picture that emerges, thousands of Muslim men and women were allegedly massacred in four eastern Jammu districts (of Jammu, Kathua, Udhampur and Chani Jagir) from late September through to early November 1947.

Jammu and Kashmir state troops along with Hindus and Sikhs escaping violence in West Punjab have been accused of these mass killings. Some news reports that Snedden cites claim that 200,000 Muslims were killed and 13,000 Muslim women were abducted. This was before the Pashtun invasion on October 22, 1947, and before Hari Singh’s accession to India on October 26 that year.

The motivation, Snedden posits, was revenge, but also an attempt to change the demography of the state’s Muslim-majority Jammu region. The massacre led to mass exodus of Jammu Muslims to the western parts of Jammu and Kashmir that would soon become to be called Azad Kashmir by Pakistan.

The forgotten massacre of Jammu Muslims in 1947 set a template of impunity and violence

State troopers as well Hindus and Sikhs fleeing the violence of Partition have been accused of mass atrocities in the former princely state under Hari Singh.

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