US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

You are the only ones that have talked about leadership in KSA. Not me. King Faisal was much more respected than any Iranian Mullah regime leader. Let us not go there.

Yes, and the Iranian regime has murdered 100's if not 1000's more of their dissidents. KSA murdered Khashoggi - 1 dissident out of 1000's. Not even remotely comparable.

The same Iranian regime murdered 1000's of their own just in January this year alone. What are we even talking about or comparing here?


1 out of numerous such massacres. Every 4-5 years the Iranian regime has a long tradition of mass murdering their own people.

Trump have said many things:

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Breaking News...US President Trump just said:

Mohammed bin Salman is very strong.

Mohammed bin Salman is great.

Mohammed bin Salman is wonderful

.Mohammed bin Salman is brave.

Mohammed bin Salman is fearless.

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There are no US bases in KSA. The King Salman Air Base is a sovereign Saudi Arabian base. That hosts US military presence with the official endorsement and acceptance of KSA leadership. We do not need to ask anybody permission for anything within KSA. Just like we host a small contingent of Pakistani soldiers in Tabuk.


You need to step away from the keyboard, I think the sand has got into your brain. Saudi has fpr the last 50 years depended on US for defence, and yes, US can do whatever it wants in those bases.

Trump praising you one day in return for weapons sales and mocking MBS the next shows the slaves you have become.

I think it was better for the world when Faisal was King, if not for him MBS would be selling rides on donkeys for $5 in a Jeddah bizaar.

Without US Saudi Arabia would cease to exist.
 
Citing Trump saying salmans great says it all.
We are the ones……. Insinuating there is a conspiracy to degrade Saudi speaks volumes.
I prove and rest my case.
 
They are using Air Power, artillery systems and drones to attack Iranian defenses and military infrastructure across the Strait of Hormuz and deep inside Iran since Feb 28. They will use all that to attack Iranian defenses in any area where American troops will be used to conduct a raid. This is not rocket science, bro.

This isn't Operation Eagle Claw.
Hows that worked for them across their 13 or so vacant military bases across the ME?

Hows that worked for Israel proper being repeatedly targeted and hit?

Airpower cant alone change the direction of war, the US will need many thousands of troops if they want to make Iran "submit". Attempting to do that will turn this into a meat grinder for them like Ukraine has become for Russia.
 
You need to step away from the keyboard, I think the sand has got into your brain. Saudi has fpr the last 50 years depended on US for defence, and yes, US can do whatever it wants in those bases.

Trump praising you one day in return for weapons sales and mocking MBS the next shows the slaves you have become.

I think it was better for the world when Faisal was King, if not for him MBS would be selling rides on donkeys for $5 in a Jeddah bizaar.

Without US Saudi Arabia would cease to exist.
More nonsense. KSA was around (1720) for 225 years prior to KSA and US signing an alliance.


Not only that, KSA leadership was never imposed by any foreigners.

Why does it pain you that 95% + of all Muslims will always pick Makkah, Madinah and Arabia over Tehran and Iran? KSA's current leadership is irrelevant.

In fact KSA's leadership (which is 100 times better than the Mullah regime leadership and has done 1 billion more things for the Muslim world) is completely irrelevant when it comes to the legitimate criticism of the Iranian regime and their track record in the region since 1979. Just like the Pakistani regime - past and present. Or Papuan regime. Or Ugandan regime.

Unlike every other Muslim majority nation, KSA was never colonized and our leadership was/is indigenous. KSA was also completely unified without any outside support.


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Meanwhile the Mullah's of Iran come to power from exile in the West and from Air France planes.

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The same Mullah's that used to get direct Israeli support:



The same Iranian regime that has publicly admitted to aiding the US in their invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan next door as well:

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Give me a break about your blind Iranian regime support - the entire Arab world (500 + million people) and most of the Muslim world already know what frauds they are.

Hence WHY they have NO ALLIES. Other than terrorist proxies that they themselves have created with great bloodshed and mayhem to their host countries.

No point for me to waste my time on individuals who worship the backward Iranian Mullah regime and can see no faults of theirs. As I wrote, I would only respect those deluded keyboard warriors if they actually signed up for the Mullah regime military and joined the fight in defense of Iran. Rest is a waste of time. If KSA was ever attacked or invaded in such a fashion I would not spend a single second online but I would join the frontline immediately. Nor is this the topic of this thread so I am ending it here.
 
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This war is the most dominant display of US airpower ever, exceeding that of Desert Storm. The military was given a clear set of objectives and they’ve executed them almost flawlessly.

Regime change has never been cited as a primary objective of this war. President Trump stated clearly on Feb 28 that regime change was contingent on the Iranian people rising up. With that said, many Iranian leaders are dead and the others are hiding in holes. Its military and 70% of its missile/drone/naval production facilities are destroyed. This is the weakest the Iranian regime has ever been.

As for the Strait, that’s temporary and the war isn’t over. If Iran loses control of that, most of the little leverage it has is gone.
You must be joking right?

Iran never had an airforce

Irans navy was littoral, a coastal navy at best

Iran lost most of their advance air defence in the June war

And you are patting yourself on the back talking about a dominant display of airpower.

Regime change was the primary objective of this war, so far they have failed and its looking less and less likely to happen.

70% of Irans missiles and drone capability destroyed is your wetdream, there is no verifiable proof of this, Iran continues to hit across the region and all that airpower has not been able to stop it.

If things stay like this with Iran in control of the Strait of Hormuz and only payments in Renmenbi being accepted to cross the straits, this will be a big geo strategic defeat for the US and Israel.

Your politicians are struggling against Iran and you want to take on China?

What a joke.
 
Guys stick to topic let's leave the Saudi/Iran business.

Back to topic. Just heard Trump speak and he's sending mixed message on ground operations saying nothing is set or concrete, odd.
Taking it would be a bit straight forward but holding it, that to at the expense of many lives could end this all.
 
Guys stick to topic let's leave the Saudi/Iran business.

Back to topic. Just heard Trump speak and he's sending mixed message on ground operations saying nothing is set or concrete, odd.
Taking it would be a bit straight forward but holding it, that to at the expense of many lives could end this all.
I completely agree. The problem is that there are certain users here who are blindly in love (ironically most of them live in the West) with the Iranian regime and everything they do. They are like holy cows in Hinduism to them. Almost idolatrous behavior.

So whenever anybody labels any kind of criticism at the Iranian regime (which has a 100 page long list of crimes committed against Iran and Iranians and the region as a whole since 1979), they get angry, label personal insults and begin to talk about numerous other regimes which are not relevant to the topic at hand or thread at hand.

This topic is about the US involvement in the war against the Iranian regime hence it is completely normal for us to talk about the Iranian regime here and its past, present and future.

Also 90% of all Iranian attacks have been aimed at the GCC, mostly small GCC states, rather than the US (untouched) and Israel which is carpet bombing them 24/7 and daily killing numerous of their leaders, civilian and military figures alike.

Also, as everyone can see, everything that I have written can be backed up by historical sources, facts and ground realities, as I have done. Nothing that I have written was "invented" for the occasion.

And unlike users here who do not speak their mind, who are not sincere in their views, I have never hidden that I do not like the Iranian regime and their behavior and policies in the region since 1979. I play with completely open hands while we have numerous users here who claim that they only have a problem with MbS and KSA leadership while in reality they have complexes and hatred towards Arabs as a whole, KSA etc. Which is plain obvious. Meanwhile, as I have repeated 100's of times on this forum in great detail, I have nothing against non-hostile Iranians (in fact I openly admit that Arabians, Iraqis etc. have had millennia old ties with people of South Iran), the millions of Iranian Arabs, Sunni Persians, Baloch and others, or Iran as a whole (KSA and Iran prior to 1979 used to have very cordial ties).

But this segment of users here on PDF want to silence people who are not pro-Mullah regime. In fact no country is because Iran has no real allies other than the terrorist proxies that they have created in a bloody and horrible fashion in all the relevant countries. That should tell you everything.

You cannot find a single post of mine that rejoices at any civilian Iranians dying or anything alike while I can find 100's of posts of pro-Iran regime bots who are actively calling for the murder of people (civilians) in the region and attacks on civilian targets.

That is the difference between us.

What is ironic about all of this is that Pakistan used to have 100 times better relations with Iran prior to 1979. Same with KSA.

Not only that Iranians (hordes of them in fact millions of them) were not rabid anti-Islam fanatics which is all the work of the Iranian regime since 1979 - which has in many ways destroyed the Iranian people's relationship with Islam. Just look at large segments of the Iranian diaspora. Can you find a single remotely similar Muslim-majority diaspora anywhere in the world that acts like this? The answer is no. Another clear symptom of something being completely rotten with the Iranian regime if this is the kind of people that your regime creates. Just look within Iran itself. The country is invested with foreign agents and people who are actively working against their own regime. Almost unprecedented in the Muslim world as well - the scale of the infiltration. Another clear sign of something being completely rotten within the Iranian regime itself.

But let us all ignore all of this and just focus on Israel and the US actions (which are far from saints themselves - never claimed that and never will) but the whole idea of the Iranian regime being without faults and some kind of innocent lamb is frankly ridiculous and trying to silence people who speak about their crimes is not going to work, I am afraid.


Lastly this conflict has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. It is simple geopolitics. Two former close allies (Iran and Israel) are at odds and Israel is using a third party (USA) to destroy a threat/regional competitor (current Iranian regime). That is all there is to it.

Which is why you have complete silence from foreign Shia leadership and even the few Grand Ayatollah's. None of them have called this as anything else other than a geopolitical conflict. No mention of any war for or against Islam or Muslims.
 
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Guys stick to topic let's leave the Saudi/Iran business.

Back to topic. Just heard Trump speak and he's sending mixed message on ground operations saying nothing is set or concrete, odd.
Taking it would be a bit straight forward but holding it, that to at the expense of many lives could end this all.
Bro
A country the size of France, Spain, Germany, the Uk et al and Trump is suggesting sending in 17,000 elite US soldiers?
Its going to be a massacre?
I dont care about the airpower etc - its ludicrous. Bodybag companies
Will be working overtime.
 
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I completely agree. The problem is that there are certain users here who are blindly in love (ironically most of them live in the West) with the Iranian regime and everything they do. They are like holy cows in Hinduism to them. Almost idolatrous behavior.

So whenever anybody labels any kind of criticism at the Iranian regime (which has a 100 page long list of crimes committed against Iran and Iranians and the region as a whole since 1979), they get angry, label personal insults and begin to talk about numerous other regimes which are not relevant to the topic at hand or thread at hand.

This topic is about the US involvement in the war against the Iranian regime hence it is completely normal for us to talk about the Iranian regime here and its past, present and future.

Also 90% of all Iranian attacks have been aimed at the GCC, mostly small GCC states, rather than the US (untouched) and Israel which is carpet bombing them 24/7 and daily killing numerous of their leaders, civilian and military figures alike.

Also, as everyone can see, everything that I have written can be backed up by historical sources, facts and ground realities, as I have done. Nothing that I have written was "invented" for the occasion.

And unlike users here who do not speak their mind, who are not sincere in their views, I have never hidden that I do not like the Iranian regime and their behavior and policies in the region since 1979. I play with completely open hands while we have numerous users here who claim that they only have a problem with MbS and KSA leadership while in reality they have complexes and hatred towards Arabs as a whole, KSA etc. Which is plain obvious. Meanwhile, as I have repeated 100's of times on this forum in great detail, I have nothing against non-hostile Iranians (in fact I openly admit that Arabians, Iraqis etc. have had millennia old ties with people of South Iran), the millions of Iranian Arabs, Sunni Persians, Baloch and others, or Iran as a whole (KSA and Iran prior to 1979 used to have very cordial ties).

But this segment of users here on PDF want to silence people who are not pro-Mullah regime. In fact no country is because Iran has no real allies other than the terrorist proxies that they have created in a bloody and horrible fashion in all the relevant countries. That should tell you everything.

You cannot find a single post of mine that rejoices at any civilian Iranians dying or anything alike while I can find 100's of posts of pro-Iran regime bots who are actively calling for the murder of people (civilians) in the region and attacks on civilian targets.

That is the difference between us.

It's fine brother, you don't have to explain. You have a place here and always will. Your views are to be heard as should the views of every person here.
 
For achieving this, they are pursuing ground invasion.

I think any ground invasion is just a feign move to get Iran to move the best of its ground forces to a certain area only to be ambushed from the air.

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"Highway of Death" Aerial Footage - Gulf War​

 
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Hows that worked for them across their 13 or so vacant military bases across the ME?

Hows that worked for Israel proper being repeatedly targeted and hit?

Airpower cant alone change the direction of war, the US will need many thousands of troops if they want to make Iran "submit". Attempting to do that will turn this into a meat grinder for them like Ukraine has become for Russia.
Iran have launched a large number of ballistic missiles and drones at them and some projectiles have scored hits on military and civilian infrastructure but defenses in all states have held up and prevented a great deal of damage there.

Recall Operation Allied Force in 1999? It took 78 days for the Serbians to capitulate and accept NATO demands. And how was the tide turned in Syria? Air Power yet again.

Some do not seem to understand to what extent this war is damaging Iran. Have a look at the scale of the campaign in geographical terms:

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Iran is a well-developed country, they have never experienced strikes and destruction on that level before. The impact of that will become apparent in time. WE are not looking at a backward Afghanistan here where 90% population live in poverty. This war will affect Iranians at all levels as industries are being struck as well.
 
Iran have launched a large number of ballistic missiles and drones at them and some projectiles have scored hits on military and civilian infrastructure but defenses in all states have held up and prevented a great deal of damage there.

Recall Operation Allied Force in 1999? It took 78 days for the Serbians to capitulate and accept NATO demands. And how was the tide turned in Syria? Air Power yet again.

Some do not seem to understand to what extent this war is damaging Iran. Have a look at the scale of the campaign in geographical terms:

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Iran is a well-developed country, they have never experienced strikes and destruction on that level before. The impact of that will become apparent in time. WE are not looking at a backward Afghanistan here where 90% population live in poverty. This war will affect Iranians at all levels as industries are being struck as well.

Remember this is an existential war for Iran, they have everything to sacrifice and everything to gain. Most of those US soldiers will be thinking why the F are we fighting Israel's war, I dont discount there will be low morale for that reason, why else is there news of religious nut jobs trying to talk up this war like the second comming, they want to boost morale.

One should also take lessons from what Israel did v Hamas - their so-called objectives to free the hostages never happened even after flattening all of Gaza. The US had a war with the houthis for 1 month and trumpy backed down, he said it himself they can take a beating. Iran has taken a hell of a beating and its in no mood for diplomacy, what does that tell you? they are ready for a long drawn out war.

Look at Iranian land its full of mountains, there is lots of places small guerrilla teams can hide, look at what Hezbollah is doing to Israel and the US will have no way near the number of troops in Iran to make a real dent. Holding some islands or the strait itself is not an objective they can achieve for long, they will end up withdrawing with their tales between their legs, mark my words.
 

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