US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[RescueRanger]

@_Arabia_

You have been advised. Please discuss US updates. Not rambling history lessons or economic garbage.

Really not the thread for it brother

 

[Ali_Baba]

Sure one regime maybe, but look at Venezuela. Technically still the same regime, but completely subservient to US demands now.

Venezuela is NOT Iran. Can' you see that yet ?

 

[EugeneP]

17 pages and still haven't seen the US perspective! So what is the US perspective and more importantly what are the end goals for the US?
1) Regime change (even the US isn't looking for one anymore)
2) Nuclear weapons ( Iran isn't building one yet and continue to be part of NPT)
3) Hormuz ( it was already open before the war began, so technically US is finding a solution to a problem that wasn't there before the war)
4) Support to Hizbullah and other factions (US cannot stop that)
5) Ballistic missile programme (This one isn't going anywhere because if Iran actually accepts the one thing that is going right for them in the war, that would mean 24/7 at the mercy of Israeli strikes without means to retaliate.
What will the US offer in return? Lifting of sanctions? That is a bad joke because even if Trump does lift, who will stop the next administration from putting them back on?
So please do explain the US perspective of what it aims to achieve and what is it willing to give in return?

I think, at this time, U.S. (or more accurately Trump) will accept 2,3,4,5 to end the war and go home. (1) was always a stretch goal - like Dubya's 'Democracy in the desert' project. But, as you mentioned, these are too much for Iran to accept and hence the war is destined go on far longer than expected.

 

[Ali_Baba]

RECAP: Nato shoots down Iranian missile after it crosses into Turkey

RECAP: Daily Mail's coverage of the Iran war as the conflict enters its fifth week. Donald Trump has said he could 'take Iran's oil' as Gulf states come under attack.

www.dailymail.co.uk

>> Its not going well, with the USA resorting to war crimes to try and rescue its war.

Power Plants, desalination plants are civilian infrastructure, and any attack on them is a war crime.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

This thread is as hilarious as it can get, I am just passing by with some extra buttery popcorns

I'm about to do some housekeeping and some of you aren't going to like it. Especially for those who were being given a 2nd chance because they can't play nice in the big thread.

 

[lightning f57]

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RECAP: Nato shoots down Iranian missile after it crosses into Turkey

RECAP: Daily Mail's coverage of the Iran war as the conflict enters its fifth week. Donald Trump has said he could 'take Iran's oil' as Gulf states come under attack.

www.dailymail.co.uk

>> Its not going well, with the USA resorting to war crimes to try and rescue its war.

Power Plants, desalination plants are civilian infrastructure, and any attack on them is a war crime.

All those 000's sorties and they want to shift full mode on to civilian infrastructure. Hopfully Iranian abroad who supported this crap show will realise the US is only looking liberate the oil for themselves and to destroy Iran as a state so it can't threaten its owner Israel.

This shows trumy is desperate, his militarily failed to achieve any major objectives which I highlighted. Don't see how bombing civilian infrastructure will change Irans posture if anything Iran will destroy GCC infra and trumpy can enjoy oil at $150 a barrel.

 

[Watandar]

Price of a barrel of Brent oil now shows at $115. Mr Trump is losing his jawboning ability.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

View attachment 189108

RECAP: Nato shoots down Iranian missile after it crosses into Turkey

RECAP: Daily Mail's coverage of the Iran war as the conflict enters its fifth week. Donald Trump has said he could 'take Iran's oil' as Gulf states come under attack.

www.dailymail.co.uk

>> Its not going well, with the USA resorting to war crimes to try and rescue its war.

Power Plants, desalination plants are civilian infrastructure, and any attack on them is a war crime.

Iran struck first and hit a Kuwaiti desalination plant last night.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Price of a barrel of Brent oil now shows at $115. Mr Trump is losing his jawboning ability.

The markets have stopped listening to him now, they all know what we know now. Trump manipulates the markets.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iran struck first and hit a Kuwaiti desalination plant last night.

What Iran did was in retaliation for what Israel did the previous night. I will see if I can find the link - but this is all moving so fast now.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Pakistan could wage a similar Air campaign v a country with no airforce, no real air defences left, nothing to be chest thumping about.

70% Iranian production, stocks destroyed is BS.

Iran right now is winning your just delusional. They hold the Straits, all US bases destroyed in the region along with expensive Thaad radars. They are waiting for a ground operation to pile up US body bags to put real political pressure on trumpy.

Unless you have proof positive to back up your claims, all US bases in the region have NOT been destroyed. Damaged yes. To what degree? Who knows? But out of action? Absolutely not.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

What Iran did was in retaliation for what Israel did the previous night. I will see if I can find the link - but this is all moving so fast now.

Appreciate that bro'.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Sec Rubio confirms Iran will never be allowed to enact a tolling system in the Strait

I am not young enough to have been around during the Vietnam war, but I am quite certain from history, the same narratives were made about how if we captured the next bridge, the next airbase, the new village then victory will be around the corner.

This has the same language of the Vietnam war now.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I am not young enough to have been around during the Vietnam war, but I am quite certain from history, the same narratives were made about how if we captured the next bridge, the next airbase, the new village then victory will be around the corner.

This has the same language of the Vietnam war now.

I on the other hand am.

And yes, I remember hearing that over and over. "Another 25,000 troops". "Another 125,000 troops". Another and another and another.

 

[lightning f57]

Unless you have proof positive to back up your claims, all US bases in the region have NOT been destroyed. Damaged yes. To what degree? Who knows? But out of action? Absolutely not.

I dont know the level of damage to the US bases in the GCC, but fair to say they are unlikely to be fully staffed and operational. The completely destroyed part abit of an exaggeration on my part, I can concede to.