US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War
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Starlord
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This news gives me a good chuckle, American Demo or Republicans should know their place, they can't do anything about Israeli masters, Israel say Jump and American govt/Military says how high master, American can't do j@ck about Israel in this day and age, in fact even if a President ever try to cross lines than we know what will happen.
AZ_HighCountry
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Some win.
Explain to us, without the use of PowerPoints and Twitter posts, how this is better than the Obama nuclear deal.
KingQamaR
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US and EU had an agreement that gave them everything they wanted. How could you do better than everything?
TruthSeeker
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The key aspect of the "Obama nuclear deal (the JCPOA)" that people are forgetting is that it constrained Iran for only 15 years after which Iran was unconstrained and had the right to pursue nuclear enrichment and weapons. The clock started ~ October 2015 so Iran was constrained until ~ 2030. Some of the constraints lifted gradually over years 11 thru 15. Even under the JCPOA constraint period Iran had the right to "research" the technology for advanced centrifuges and other aspects of a nuclear weapons effort, just not implement them in an engineering/production style program. The fact that Iran did enrich uranium to 60% after the USA withdrew from the JCPOA shows that they would have easily done so quickly (in ~ 2 years) after the 2030 period of constraint expired. They have had the knowhow for a long time. Any new agreement that constrains their ability to test a nuclear weapon to out beyond ~ 2032 is therefore "better" than the Obama nuclear deal. And, of course the longer out that milestone can be pushed, the better.
F-22Raptor
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- No nuclear enrichment for 15+ years
- HEU extraction
- Irans military industrial base destroyed
- Nuclear industrial base destroyed
- Navy and Air Force destroyed
- Economy cratered
Core US strategic objectives will have been met politically and militarily. Military objectives achieved alone exceed Obama’s deal.
If the nuclear objectives above are met it’s a clear US victory.
F-22Raptor
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Another Iranian tanker disabled
The SC
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Axios, citing two informed sources: Iran has agreed to remove highly enriched uranium
Axios:
Iran, under the agreement, will pledge not to seek to possess nuclear weapons
The agreement will guarantee Iran's commitment to stop enrichment and America's agreement to gradually lift sanctions
Under the agreement, Iran will adhere to an enhanced nuclear inspection regime
Transferring enriched uranium to America is one of the options on the table
The memorandum of agreement, in its current form, will announce the end of the war and the start of in-depth negotiations for 30 days
@AlArabiya_Brk
Axios:
Iran, under the agreement, will pledge not to seek to possess nuclear weapons
The agreement will guarantee Iran's commitment to stop enrichment and America's agreement to gradually lift sanctions
Under the agreement, Iran will adhere to an enhanced nuclear inspection regime
Transferring enriched uranium to America is one of the options on the table
The memorandum of agreement, in its current form, will announce the end of the war and the start of in-depth negotiations for 30 days
@AlArabiya_Brk
The SC
INT'L MOD
The United States and Iran are close to reaching a memorandum of understanding that includes key points to end the military escalation in the region and begin a negotiating phase, according to what Axios reported on Wednesday.
This memorandum is one page long, and Iran is expected to respond to it within 48 hours.
The most important points of the memorandum included the following:
This memorandum is one page long, and Iran is expected to respond to it within 48 hours.
The most important points of the memorandum included the following:
- An official declaration to end the war in the region.
- Initiate a 30-day negotiation period to reach a final detailed agreement.
- Freezing uranium enrichment for a period ranging from 12 to 15 years.
- Iran's commitment not to seek to possess a nuclear weapon or carry out any weapons activities.
- Do not operate underground nuclear facilities.
- Allow enhanced and surprise inspections by UN inspectors.
- Removal of highly enriched uranium from Iranian territory (still under discussion).
- Gradual lifting of US sanctions on Iran.
- Release of billions of dollars of frozen Iranian funds.
- Gradual lifting of restrictions on navigation in the Strait of Hormuz on both sides.
Davey Crockett
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F-22Raptor
Elite Member
If these are the final terms, the US will have met its strategic goals politically and militarily.
It will be very interesting indeed
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
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