US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

mythbuster said:
It's not a masterful idiocy it's masterstroke of military tactics....this counter blockade has made the Iranians squeal like a rat caught in a trap ...Iran has literally surrendered , don't pay heed to her rhetorics and chest thumping of Pakistani lulpuls.
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Eh? When did Iran surrender? News to me, I have not heard that at all, last time I checked.
 
VCheng said:
So all this and we are back to where we all were before the war? Eh?

What sort of masterful idiocy is this for a strategy?
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All Trump wants is a deal where Iran has 0 (zero) nuclear possibilities with a very long term guarantee..The strait of Hormuz comes second to him despite the suffering of the rest of the world.. and if it comes to open like before the war, he'll say that he forced it open with the blockade..
 
🔴 This article from CNN, written by Tal Shalev, reinforces the validity of what was stated in Ben Caspit’s report in Al-Monitor, but it differs from it in the angle of focus.

🔷 The report reveals that Netanyahu, despite his refraining from criticizing Trump publicly, acknowledged in closed conversations, according to Israeli sources, that Israel’s influence on the outcome of the US-Iranian negotiations is limited.

🔷 Sources confirm that Netanyahu has repeatedly pressured Trump since the initial ceasefire was announced in April to resume broad military operations against Iran, arguing that continued pressure may lead to the collapse of the Iranian regime. But the White House, according to CNN, headed in the opposite direction, that is, towards a diplomatic process led by Washington.

🔷 One of the most important leaks comes from an “Israeli official” who said that there is real concern that Trump will accept a “bad transitional agreement.”

🔷 This official explains that Israel may accept an agreement if the Iranian uranium is actually removed from the country, but if the agreement is merely a “statement of intent,” then the Iranians may deceive the Americans and not remove the uranium in the end.

🔷 Netanyahu pushed for striking Iranian oil facilities to accelerate the collapse of the regime, according to the same Israeli official. The official says that lifting the US blockade on Iranian ports, especially if it comes within a bad agreement, will greatly strengthen the regime; Instead of pushing him to a point where he cannot pay the salaries of soldiers and police, he will be injected with money and fund his recovery.

🔷 The most explicit political information in the text comes from “another Israeli source” who said: “This is what it looks like when Trump throws you under the bus.”

🔷 The report says that Iran, according to what is being circulated, is pressing to include a ceasefire in Lebanon in the agreement, at a time when the United States has already restricted some Israeli movements there.

🔷 Instead of attacking Trump directly, sources say that Netanyahu holds the American negotiators, Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, responsible for pushing the president towards ending the fighting.

“A person familiar with the American-Israeli discussions” revealed that the gap between Washington and Tel Aviv reflects a deeper Israeli misreading. This source said that the Israelis were so invested in the idea of regime change in Iran that they did not realize that the war might lead to “regime change in Washington,” meaning a change in Trump’s position himself.

This is a remarkable phrase, and it means that Israel focused on overthrowing the Iranian regime, but it did not think that Trump might change the course of the war for American internal political reasons.

🔷 The same source provides a political explanation for Trump’s behavior: The American President saw that the narrative of “Bibi is dragging America into a major Middle Eastern war” was harming him politically, and therefore he had to show that he was the one in charge of the decision.

🔷 This is one of the most important leaks in the text because it explains the American transformation not only through the Iran negotiations, but also by calculating Trump’s image within the United States. Trump’s phrase quoted in the text, “Bibi is a good man, he will do what I ask of him,” confirms, in reading the material, that Trump wanted to send a message of superiority and control over Netanyahu.

🔷 Among the important personal and political leaks is what a person who worked close to Netanyahu for years said: “Netanyahu never knows when to stop and cut his losses.” The report reinforces this narrative by quoting a former Israeli security official who said that Netanyahu’s primary strategic weakness is the absence of the will or ability to make difficult decisions that complement military moves.

🔷 The former security official explains that this is why Israel's strategic situation has not improved and may even deteriorate: the Iranian regime is still in place, the nuclear program has not been resolved, and regional proxies, including Hezbollah and Hamas, are still active.

🔷 The article adds that Trump may offer Netanyahu additional political compensation before the elections, such as a presidential visit, supportive statements, or defense agreements that show the strength of the alliance between them. This is information attributed to a source, but it is a possibility and not a confirmed decision. Its function in the text is to indicate that Trump, even if he imposes an agreement that is bad in the eyes of Israel, may try to provide Netanyahu with internal propaganda tools.

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This what I have been saying. Fear factor is gone.. America has only one option left. Just use traitors.. this is their best strategy
 
The proposal presented by Trump is a framework of conditions that rearranges the way of dealing with two sensitive files: the nuclear program and the security of the Strait of Hormuz. The basic idea is clear: permanently preventing Iran from possessing a nuclear weapon, and ensuring that the Strait remains open and safe without any threat, in exchange for the possibility of moving from escalation to some kind of settlement, but according to conditions imposed by the balance of power on the ground.

Regarding the nuclear file, the proposal goes beyond the idea of a temporary freeze, and focuses on a final commitment not to possess a nuclear weapon. Even enriched materials are dealt with by removing them and destroying them under joint international supervision. This is an approach based on the principle of “zero nuclear weapons,” and it is consistent with international concern about the possibility of the region entering into an arms race.

As for the Strait of Hormuz, the proposal calls for the immediate and complete opening of navigation, without any restrictions, with the removal of mines and the release of ships. This is considered just a simple concession, but rather an actual change in the deterrence equation, so that freedom of navigation becomes a constant and is not used as a pressure card in any circumstance.
 
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All Trump wants is a deal where Iran has 0 (zero) nuclear possibilities with a very long term guarantee..The strait of Hormuz comes second to him despite the suffering of the rest of the world.. and if it comes to open like before the war, he'll say that he forced it open with the blockade..
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What Trump wants is what is good for him and him alone. He is incapable of thinking anything beyond that. As long as he can create a version of events in his own mind that he has won, no facts to the otherwise will matter to him.

To be fair, Iran has not helped itself geopolitically by its "Death to USA" mantra for half a century, and is now suffering the consequences in large part because of that. Whether it persists in its views, or not, is the main long term factor, and the nuclear issue is just a part of it.
 

Stranded in the Strait of Hormuz​

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We hear from two of the thousands of seafarers who became stuck in the middle of the war.​


May 29, 2026

While the United States and Iran have each signaled that they may be making progress toward a peace deal, the Strait of Hormuz remains closed.

Thousands of crew members have been stranded in the shipping channel since the war broke out three months ago.

Two seafarers who got stuck in the strait explain what it is like to be trapped in a war zone, and what it would mean to get everyone out.


 
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