US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

Your understanding is wrong. Assets are unfrozen and sanctions are undone with the MOU being signed. The access to the 300 Billion is for the nuclear deal. Everything you mentioned will be rebuilt except for the nuclear program which they will sign away for a good enough deal.

That is 100% false, and that was confirmed by Vance yesterday. Iran gets nothing, outside the oil waiver, until a final deal is signed. The $300B is Arab financed with strict conditions, and likely take years to fully implement, if ever. The Arabs aren’t handing Iran a free check to rebuild its military.
 
That is 100% false, and that was confirmed by Vance yesterday. Iran gets nothing, outside the oil waiver, until a final deal is signed. The $300B is Arab financed with strict conditions, and likely take years to fully implement, if ever. The Arabs aren’t handing Iran a free check to rebuild its military.

Coping on steroids!

This thread should be renamed as, “American wet dreams over Iran war humiliation”.

Makes the deluded narrative on Vietnam and Afghan wars seem sane!
 
Coping on steroids!

This thread should be renamed as, “American wet dreams over Iran war humiliation”.

Makes the deluded narrative on Vietnam and Afghan wars seem sane!
Billions wasted only to replace the IRGC with the IRGC. Yet they want to jump up and down doing starfish jumps shouting we need to celebrate the victory.
Comical Ali resurrection moment.....
 
Coping on steroids!

This thread should be renamed as, “American wet dreams over Iran war humiliation”.

Makes the deluded narrative on Vietnam and Afghan wars seem sane!

The US is not the failed state begging for cash and sanctions relief. Iran gets nothing until it fully complies with American demands.
 
That is 100% false, and that was confirmed by Vance yesterday. Iran gets nothing, outside the oil waiver, until a final deal is signed. The $300B is Arab financed with strict conditions, and likely take years to fully implement, if ever. The Arabs aren’t handing Iran a free check to rebuild its military.
Not sure where you got the idea that Arabs are going to pay for anything.

Certainly not KSA. Our foreign minister just denied that KSA is going to pay for anything (no idea why that should be the case), which you can google, while they will not invest anything at all in Iran until and unless they change their behavior in the region and become a trusted partner and neighbor.

Maybe the foolish current UAE leadership will do it or Qatar due to the shared gas field. Other than that, I don't see much happening on this front.
 
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Not sure where you got the idea that Arabs are going to pay for anything.

Certainly not KSA. Our foreign minister just denied that KSA is going to pay for anything (no idea why that should be the case), which you can google, while they will not invest anything at all in Iran until and unless they change their behavior in the region and become a trusted partner and neighbor.

Maybe the foolish current UAE leadership will do it or Qatar due to the shared gas field. Other than that, I don't see much happening on this front.

It’s not being funded by the US, so I assumed it’d be the region. But yes, I highly doubt this will ever materialize. Nobody is funding Iran to rebuild its military.
 

America has lost its war with Iran​

It was never likely that the Islamic Republic of Iran would gift Donald Trump a peace agreement, even a measly one, for his 80th birthday, something he could immediately proclaim after the “historic” cage fight on the south lawn of the White House. However, having falsely declared 39 times since he went to war with Iran in February that peace was at hand, this time might really be different.

If the Pakistani authorities brokering the deal, the Iranians and the Americans all say that the “memorandum of understanding” (MoU) will indeed be signed by the end of the week, then there is, at last, some cause for realistic optimism.

However, caution remains – because the indications are that the as-yet unpublished and (curiously) unleaked MoU will settle comparatively little. It will, in essence, be an undertaking to talk about some future, more durable agreement. If recent history is anything to go by, the obstacles to that will remain formidable. MoU or not, an unstable region has been rendered even more dangerous by the unforced war of choice launched by Israel and America. The world will be coping with its repercussions for months, if not years.
Not the least of those is the economic impact. It is vast, extending far beyond the physical destruction and the price of petrol to a global loss of output and lower economic growth that threatened an international recession and financial crash. National treasuries, companies and households everywhere have come under pressure, and the poorest have suffered most.

That squeeze should now recede, as oil, natural gas, raw materials, pharmaceuticals and other supplies resume their traffic. The Strait of Hormuz should soon reopen to shipping, with or without some form of Iranian supervision or tolling – and that alone is worth celebrating, as witnessed in the reaction of financial markets, and even if it will take some time for commerce to return to normal.

The most serious obstacle to a more lasting peace remains Benjamin Netanyahu. In his zero-sum world view, a weaker Iran is necessarily a safer Israel, and that is why he encouraged – or persuaded – the Trump administration to launch Operation Epic Fury, just as he did in getting Operation Midnight Hammer underway a year ago.


To the now obvious irritation of the US president, Mr Netanyahu is continuing his invasion and occupation of southern Lebanon, designed to neutralise Hezbollah, as well as apparently permitting more illegal Israeli settlements on the West Bank, even as Mr Trump wants out.

The president seems not to be able to stop his troublesome friend and ally from going on and on with his military operations, but he shouldn’t be surprised. Mr Netanyahu sees a nuclear-armed Iran as an existential threat to (nuclear-armed) Israel, and, as such, it will require maximum pressure from the White House to prevent him from continually trying to scupper the MoU and a permanent ceasefire.

A second, related roadblock to peace lies in the US Senate, which has still to approve the Iran MoU, under a law passed, ironically, when Republicans were concerned about the Iran nuclear deal negotiated in 2015 by the Barack Obama administration.

 
It’s not being funded by the US, so I assumed it’d be the region. But yes, I highly doubt this will ever materialize. Nobody is funding Iran to rebuild its military.
Nobody is going to invest money in some black hole or sanctioned entity. You will need to build up trust, to have peace and stability and mutual trust and return of investment.

This does not happen overnight.

In fact the head of the PIF (largest sovereign wealth fund in KSA) also mentioned that KSA will invest more within KSA but continue to invest abroad.

So I can name at least 50 countries that would be better to invest in, on top of my head, than Iran, whose short-term future, as well as long-term future, is very uncertain.

All it takes is some kind of revolution in Iran and that investment goes up in smoke. Or another war.

There would need to be some kind of security guarantee, some kind of guarantee of return of investment.

There is some talk of linking energy grids and oil and gas investments (mutual) which MAYBE could prevent conflict from occurring due to shared economic interests.

In any case very difficult to see without trust building and a change of regional behavior.

However at one point in time economic cooperation will have to take precedence over disagreements. No other way.
 
Israel striking Lebanon, meetings in Switzerland cancelled. A wonderful start to the 60 days negotiation.
This deal IMO, was dead on arrival. For various of reasons. Does not bode well. However we will have to see.

There seems to be a growing (unless this is deliberately being manufactured publicly) divide between the "America first crowd" and the pro-Zionist lot.

At one point in time the US has to tell Israel to behave as JD Vance alluded to in public.

The US would be FAR, far better off if they had a more objective approach to the Palestine-Israel "conflict" and helped reign Israel in.

Ideally forcing a two-state solution that both parties could live with.

It would not solve all the problems in the region but most of them - as many are tied to this conflict one way or another (directly or indirectly).

Remains to be seen if the US establishment takes a decisive step towards that direction. I personally have no illusions of that occurring.
 
Israel striking Lebanon, meetings in Switzerland cancelled. A wonderful start to the 60 days negotiation.
Was always going to be about Israel and how far they could push it. USA and Iran wanting peace - Netanyahu knows that this would mean him potentially out of power and in the dock. War monger out of control.
 
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