US Political News and Trump’s China visit

[PakFactor]

You sound like an Indian subhuman. Those Muslim on Muslim deaths are the direct results of the US invasions of the middle east.
Take a look at this fkn guy @Waz @RescueRanger

I'm not even gonna attempt to respond to the Indian accusation of your comment, as that's a default defense for Pakistani's who can't handle criticism. There are many other countries the Americans didn't directly invade, etc.. Still, you have militant groups supported by various Islamic countries running amok in different nation-states, or direct confrontation between Muslim states.

In the end, you create an opening for others to mess around in your backyard. As I said before, the rules are the same, but you chose to play the game all wrong.

Dick Cheney, whatever he was, did what was in the best interest of the U.S., as all leaders would do, if you have sellouts in the Islamic World, etc., that's not his problem.

 

[hasssanali8998]

There are many other countries the Americans didn't directly invade,

but they did invade Iraq on a lie and Cheney was behind it .

 

[PakFactor]

but they did invade Iraq on a lie and Cheney was behind it .

There have been many such incidents in history where conflict was started on a lie; how's this any different? But we forget Iraq, laid down its own destruction after fighting and killing Iranians for 8 years, and then invading Kuwait, he was no honorable man but a stupid man.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Yes, there have been many such incidents in history where conflict was started on a lie; how's this any different?

because you were defending the guy behind it

 

[PakFactor]

because you were defending the guy behind it
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As I said, he did what he thought was best for his country. I'm not defending his personal actions, whether they were right or wrong, but making others realize let's not be hypocritical when we ourselves do far worse in response to Ali Baba.

 

[hasssanali8998]

but making others realize let's not be hypocritical when we ourselves do far worse.

yes and we will be judged but he is directly responsible for death if million Iraqis if not more

 

[FuturePAF]

Even that is a skewed version of "socialism"

Many people don't understand the term "socialism." People assume "social benefits" as part of "socialism," but it was never the definition of socialism, as in what happened to Vietnam, China, Russia, and so on.

Socialism is a government for collective ownership of public functions and public resources; it nationalizes and centralizes everything in a country via the state-owned enterprise (SOE). There is no civil-public partnership (where most Western "Socialist" workers worked on). And it has nothing to do with national universal healthcare or universal income. China, as an example, didn't have universal healthcare until it picked it up in 2000 and became rich; just because the government owns hospitals is not the same as giving everyone free health care.

If I have to choose, Trump getting 10% of Intel is a more socialist move than the Affordable Care Act. Because Trump is nationalise Intel, making it state-owned, that's the definition of Socialism.

The American progressive and "socialist" agenda is nothing more than the political left agenda, wealth equality, health care, and social care, that's basically money spent on people, socialism is extreme ownership of everything by the government thus having ultimate control of everything, which ironically what Trump was doing (Sliming down the government, thus centralising it and the nationalise of resource) are more socialist than Bernie ever be.

Fair point. I think that is why the debate is muddled. Democratic socialists are still just democrats, but more left wing. Which most Americans seem fine with.

I would though like a decent federally owned (high speed) national railway system that forms the backbone and subsidies local commuter railways. It would keep rail ticket costs lower, and use economies of scale to make public transportation and living further way (in the suburbs) but able to work in the large job centers more viable.

 

[PakFactor]

yes and we will be judged but he is directly responsible for death if million Iraqis if not more

Then he will be judged when the time comes.

 

[FuturePAF]

I met the guy at an Imam Bargah. He showed up during one Muharram night for a quick prayer? I got a photo with him, and used that photo to meet "Muslim" Bimbos in love with him. I doubt most Muslims know where this Liberal controlled opposition stands. They just support him because he's a Muslim face - but whose politics are too left for my taste, and he grew up with a silver spoon.

Most Muslims probably just accept him as another democrat, but at least he can move the needle in combating the climate of Islamophobia, making it as unacceptable as antisemitism.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Most Muslims probably just accept him as another democrat, but at least he can move the needle in combating the climate of Islamophobia, making it as unacceptable as antisemitism.

yeah he is the best we have got

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

WARNING:

Let's not rehash the passing of former VP Dick Cheney. Sufficient warnings and a thread deletion yesterday should be enough of a suggestion.

If not, will be happy to award some reminders.

 

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[j_hungary]

Fair point. I think that is why the debate is muddled. Democratic socialists are still just democrats, but more left wing. Which most Americans seem fine with.

I would though like a decent federally owned (high speed) national railway system that forms the backbone and subsidies local commuter railways. It would keep rail ticket costs lower, and use economies of scale to make public transportation and living further way (in the suburbs) but able to work in the large job centers more viable.

Socialist (or Socialism) is not really a Political left or right issue; China and Russia are BOTH not left-leaning, they are the very definition of "Nationalist" (I mean, I don't think anyone would call Russia and China left-wing), but both are Socialist countries because both Countries control everything via SOE. This is the point most people don't understand. That's what we studied in Politics called "Perceived Socialism"

The Political Left used to be associated with socialism because of the becuase they share some similar ideology (like Materialist, for example) but what hurt most is the association of Nazi Germany with Socialist ideology, which is an absolute fascism with left-wing ideology, but those were not about Governmental Ideology, but rather fiscal socialism, "for you to have a strong Germany, people need to give up their ownership/procession" that's the Nazi Socialist idea.

Left-leaning policy is built for people, while right-leaning policy is built for the country. Left-leaning people in the West usually call for money to spend on people instead of government functions, free healthcare, free education, and unemployment benefits. On the other hand, right-leaning people suggest that Citizens should take care of themselves, and money should be spent on government functions, like defence, diplomacy, national security, and foreign policy

As for the High Speed National railway network, well, this is not a topic for socialism, but I don't see how that's going to work, we don't have enough people between city center to justify such a project, the only way I can see that being build in the US is like China when they are using their spare resource to boot up part of their economy, they need to keep building stuff to justified the amount of Steel use which in turn protect the steel industry. Otherwise I don't see any way US would subsidise a National HSR network.

 

[FuturePAF]

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It is interesting that India is not jumping for joy to see an Indian origin politician win such a high office. Consider his clear and open rebuking of Modi, for his part in the 2002 Gujrat massacre, and his invocation of Nehru in his victory speech, and with MAGA Republicans rebuffing Indian Americans, the Indian establishment wants to move quietly around Mamdani, considering how he could influence the American political system via a vi Hindutuva. India, caught between Trump and Mamdani; interesting developments this year.

 

[FuturePAF]

Socialist (or Socialism) is not really a Political left or right issue; China and Russia are BOTH not left-leaning, they are the very definition of "Nationalist" (I mean, I don't think anyone would call Russia and China left-wing), but both are Socialist countries because both Countries control everything via SOE. This is the point most people don't understand. That's what we studied in Politics called "Perceived Socialism"

The Political Left used to be associated with socialism because of the becuase they share some similar ideology (like Materialist, for example) but what hurt most is the association of Nazi Germany with Socialist ideology, which is an absolute fascism with left-wing ideology, but those were not about Governmental Ideology, but rather fiscal socialism, "for you to have a strong Germany, people need to give up their ownership/procession" that's the Nazi Socialist idea.

Left-leaning policy is built for people, while right-leaning policy is built for the country. Left-leaning people in the West usually call for money to spend on people instead of government functions, free healthcare, free education, and unemployment benefits. On the other hand, right-leaning people suggest that Citizens should take care of themselves, and money should be spent on government functions, like defence, diplomacy, national security, and foreign policy

As for the High Speed National railway network, well, this is not a topic for socialism, but I don't see how that's going to work, we don't have enough people between city center to justify such a project, the only way I can see that being build in the US is like China when they are using their spare resource to boot up part of their economy, they need to keep building stuff to justified the amount of Steel use which in turn protect the steel industry. Otherwise I don't see any way US would subsidise a National HSR network.

Considering how the established structures make life more precarious for more and more of the public, if not addressed, people will at least demand higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations to subsidize services for the masses. Many of these projects would be loss leaders, but HSR would be a loss leader to help address the housing issue, while subsidize childcare would be necessary to address the falling birth rates.

Considering the inefficiency of SOEs, people would probably vote in politicians that would raise taxes in hopes of filling in the hollowed out services many feel they have to make do with.