US to soon initiate Military support to Pakistan along with bi-lateral Trade growth, the Economist report

[r3alist]

. The world doesn't respect a loser!

..... especially which demands other powers to isolate Pakistan, for what in return?


Oh and their betrayal of global South sentiment by abandoning Gaza, as well as showing no moral backbone in general will be a historical stain..... they got what in return.

 

[frontline360news]

It would be a waste of money to buy MRAPS form the USA when local, turkish and chinese platforms will be cheaper and just as effective.

The USA makes the best nigh vision systems, so they would be very useful to Pakistan for sure.

Radars if they are good on the cost/benefit analysis but we will face the conflict of having Chinese stealth platforms with USA radars in Pakistan, it is something that needs to be managed carefully. Pakistan does not need the AH-Z1s anymore as it has the Z-10ME and potentially the T929 or Z-21(ME) when they mature and are available. If the Americans are prepared to release the remaining CSF funds that they with held, there are quite a few other systems that Pakistan can use that money on. eg more C130s to replace the older ones in PAF service? There is no value in F16 upgrades given they will cost the same or more than a new J10CE and only give you the same number of new flying hours as a new J10CE, and that with an inferior technology to the J10CE.

The focus on the relationship with the USA should be on sanctions termination, technology restrictions lifted and mutually benefitable trading relationships.

If Pakistan wants to modernize its counterterrorism capabilities while maintaining strategic autonomy, a hybrid model, leveraging U.S. tech, Chinese infrastructure, and Turkish training.

Here is a short summery of what USA can offer to Pakistan.

F-16 upgrade:

There’s been a significant development in Pakistan’s F-16 program recently. In February 2025, the U.S. approved a $397 million package to help sustain and upgrade Pakistan’s F-16 fleet for counterterrorism operations. This move came despite a broader freeze on foreign aid, signaling Washington’s continued interest in maintaining Pakistan’s tactical capabilities under strict oversight.

Cobra Helicopters:

• There’s chatter about negotiations for AH-1Z Viper (modern Cobra variant), but no official confirmation yet.
• If true, it would signal a deeper tactical alignment, especially for anti-terror operations in rugged terrain.

Night Vision & Sniper Equipment: (Free or Subsidized Support)

• MRAPs, night vision, secure radios, Portable radar systems, signal jammers, and secure radios, UAVs and body armor
  • These fall under non-lethal tactical gear, often included in counterterrorism aid packages.
  • The U.S. has previously supplied such equipment to enhance border security and special operations.

Training & Capacity Building:

• Special forces training, urban warfare tactics, and hostage rescue
• Police and paramilitary training in counterinsurgency and intelligence
• Cybersecurity and digital forensics for tracking extremist networks

 

[lightning f57]

One thing I like about Trump he is more open minded, realistic and independent when it comes to Pakistan today. Unlike his previous US administrations let by so many pro Indian policy makers with anti towards Islamabad . Trump has fucked up Delhi regularly. He’s getting hardcore on India. Sees them as a shameless opportunistic people riding on US back with lies.

Also keep the wider context of what his doing in mind. His unhinged when it comes to China, this is a geo-strategic move as well as the US has let Pak get fully entrenched in the China camp.

 

[KingQamaR]

Also keep the wider context of what his doing in mind. His unhinged when it comes to China, this is a geo-strategic move as well as the US has let Pak get fully entrenched in the China camp.

US then did not bother Pakistan going to China camp. It was all about India a counter weight to Beijing.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

pretty retarded. If pakistan can cut off India from the US market by continuing to engage the US defense sector, while still meeting some needs from china eu etc, why the hell shouldnt it?

Pak diplomacy getting the US to piss india off has done wonders. India getting their hands on F-35's and US kit would be seriously concerning. You can make all the jokes you want about Indian incompetence, but the F-35 is a serious piece of kit and would be a real threat, yet thanks to our diplomacy, the Indians are pissed and will kill off AMCA by buying into SU57's, further deepening their reliance on a faltering Russia, while also taking on more sanctions.

Win bloody win for us.

The main concern is that I have is that the americans can easily switch on us as they have done with the indians. What do we do then? Another reason why the indians were not given the F-35s is that YES the americans want india to be able to confront China but they ALSO don't want india becoming too powerful where it becomes another potential China. That would be a worst case scenario for the americans. The geopolitical adjustments reflect this.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@mythbuster

von Blumfeld Pai,

May I ask you a serious question? I ask this because unlike the average PDF readership you are actually a learned and thinking person.

Do you really believe that PAK is sitting on USD 10 TN worth of minerals?

Regards

 

[r3alist]

I respect your views. I take a longer view than most people and I'm convinced when and if India purchases F35, the US Will become Pakistan's foe outright as the F35s will transform India's air force eco-system to that of the US/NATO and their pilots will likely become on par with pilots from Pakistan. Not to mention the Americans will pull every trick in the book to ensure these do not get shot down in any future conflict with the Indians. The Indians will be salivating orgasmically in trying to rehabilitate their p*ss-poor reputation when it comes to their military losses.

You make a great point to look at the implications of f-35 with India


But actually it would be pointless if they are pointed at Pakistan, they will be there to be used against China

USA china fighting proxy war with India Pak is actually pointless for USA, and fantastic news for China


China is already giving fifth gen, it will be fantastic to see how they perform via Pakistan, for the Chinese


The last thing the Americans want to do is give their best plane only for it to be unutilized against china

 

[Oscar]

Too much reading between the lines here.
F-16s have been “discussed” - thats it.
NVGs and MRAPs are actually in the pipeline - everything else is just ideas.

 

[Ak01]

The main concern is that I have is that the americans can easily switch on us as they have done with the indians. What do we do then? Another reason why the indians were not given the F-35s is that YES the americans want india to be able to confront China but they ALSO don't want india becoming too powerful where it becomes another potential China. That would be a worst case scenario for the americans. The geopolitical adjustments reflect this.

my question to you is simple, why cant china also switch up?

In terms of american switching, the lines are pretty clear, during this 'cold' period of relationships, there werent really any issues, yes, defense sales werent cleared in some cases, but support was never denied. I dont think theres a major concern here, so long as we dont go around doing stupid stuff like icbm work or sending jihadists abroad, we should be ok.

Anyway, US relations with india and pak have alwayssss been cyclical. Be close with pak, cool down ties, warm up to India, then dump and warm up to pak, then repeat. This has always been the case so with some planning it wont be an issue anyway.

 

[r3alist]

Anyway, US relations with india and pak have alwayssss been cyclical. Be close with pak, cool down ties, warm up to India, then dump and warm up to pak, then repeat. This has always been the case so with some planning it wont be an issue anyway.

So you have said something consequential without saying it explicitly

my question to you is simple, why cant china also switch up?

China has sunk cost in Pakistan.

Who is giving a counter offer worth it? They want to rule it in Asia

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I feel like the US is trying to find it's footing with regards to its relations with Pakistan after their withdrawal from Afghanistan.

When the Soviets left Afghanistan, the US simply dumped Pakistan, imposed sanctions and didn't want to see it economically develop. A poor population of 116 million was irrelevant to them.

Fast forward to 2025 and 35-years later, I think the US is realising they cannot ignore a nation of 240 million that is also a well established nuclear and military power.

The irrelevance part is something that India had been working on very hard for more than a decade, trying to portray Pakistan as poor, indebted, unstable, dangerous and with a dead economy. Something that some Pakistanis also started believing and made it easier for the ISI to launch "Akhri Umeed".

Anyway, no one in their right mind (except India) wants to see a nation of nearly a quarter billion people with at least a $411 billion nominal GDP to be ignored on the international stage. The country borders the second largest economy in the world, Central Asia, Western Asia and is a gateway to the Persian Gulf as well as has immense influence and respect amongst Muslim nations.

In my opinion, the US thinks the country has prioritised it's economy under PM Shehbaz Sharif and it is the perfect time for them to jump in and upgrade their relationship with Pakistan... at least Pakistan is not behaving like some ultra nationalist Supa Powa that wants to take over the world.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

China has sunk cost in Pakistan.

Exactly, it is sunk cost. Gone.

Who is giving a counter offer worth it?

USA. They can give you what you need and what PRC won't or can't give you- market for your exports, destination for your surplus manpower ( aka remittances), funding through controlled institutions like IMF/WB.

Regards

 

[Mr X]

Here is a short summery of what USA can offer to Pakistan.

F-16 upgrade:

There’s been a significant development in Pakistan’s F-16 program recently. In February 2025, the U.S. approved a $397 million package to help sustain and upgrade Pakistan’s F-16 fleet for counterterrorism operations. This move came despite a broader freeze on foreign aid, signaling Washington’s continued interest in maintaining Pakistan’s tactical capabilities under strict oversight.

The F-16 upgrade deal come with the condition that they cannot be used against India. So do we really need to upgrade them? It is still a good enough jet to target the terrorists but that's the only role left for F-16s. Although the war dynamics have changed for Pakistan due to May 2025 conflict with India and we are no longer using F-16s as frontline fighters anyways.

I think it would be more beneficial for Pakistan and the United States to focus on economic collaboration. Enhancing bilateral trade to a substantial figure somewhere between $10 billion to $20 billion so they can foster stronger ties. The military upgrades will be subject to conditions and the technology gap between the US and China is now assumed to be very little after what we achieved with the Chinese hardware in the recent conflict.

PS: Pakistan is not against the United States and we have always desired for friendly relationship with them. It is the circumstances (mistrust from both sides) that has lead us to opposite sides on many occasions. But in reality Pakistan doesn't want to see US as their enemy.

 

[Ak01]

The F-16 upgrade deal come with the condition that they cannot be used against India. So do we really need to upgrade them? I

when will this rumour be put to rest lol.

Did the US sell us the largest export amraam order to fire against talibs?

Did the literal use of F-16s against India not disprove this?

yawn

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

The above is ONLY happening because Pakistan defeated india militarily in May 2025. Make NO mistake about it, had Pakistan lost the war and india began fulfilling it's pledge to do to Pakistan what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza, india would continued to have received the FULL BACKING of america and the west. Losing to Pakistan showed the americans and the west how pathetically backward and weak india really is and the trillions of dollars they have wasted in building up india as a bulwark against China has been completely wasted. The americans are trying rapprochement with Pakistan as they are looking for another strategy in order to contain China. The americans are NOT friends or well-wishers of Pakistan. Pakistanis MUST ALWAYS remember this fact. The americans are just people that Pakistanis are forced to do business with. That's it. NOTHING ELSE.

QUAD is dead in the water. India sold dreams of blocking malaca strait to Americans but then Sindoor happened.