USA Rethinking the India-Pakistan Dynamic.

[hasssanali8998]

4th largest gdp on planet

only on paper not in HDI , are u really better than uk japan and others

 

[hasssanali8998]

650 billion in forex

and still cant have a capable airforce and complete tejas or AMCA

 

[hasssanali8998]

You need economic and financial muscle

if u had that US would be making an example out of u , take china they have real muscle and us cant do anything because they have real leverage

 

[Taimoor]

It was a scam India pulled. India real target was always Pakistan.

Or was it? West cannot be this dumb not knowing true Indian capabilities that they are hopeless against China. While yes, in not so public domain, the propping up of India was done using China as excuse, but I always believed that deeper aim and real target was Pakistan by this Indo-west alliance. The way west has been treating Pakistan, its economic, military interests, its good name being dragged through the dirt all these decades. Events of May came as a shock to this alliance because its now the west own capabilities vis a vis China are now getting exposed out in open and when military hegemony start to dwindle, its time to panic. West now either have to cut the losses and look elsewhere (maybe nations in Pacific region) or pipe down it support to India.

 

[RajaBaja]

You guys are thinking in the right direction. From closely watching Israeli and Indian tactics, I've understood that there is always a lie and deception in everything they do.

So this saga of bowing in front of Xi seems like a plot designed in an Israeli war tactics book. Where, you have a two front war scenario you can't fight. So you make the bigger enemy your temporary daddy and make sure you can fool them enough (like India did to America) where the Chinese believe Indians are going to be friends and hostility ends. This then gives the Indian military full availability to fight Pakistan and try to take revenge for May's humiliation and defeat and take it far.

When dust is settled, at the end, India and China can't resolve their issues so things will go back to how they were, hostile! But for a big conflict, they split the enemy from 2 front to only 1 front to maintain focus and all power towards that conflict. This is how I see it.

I am sure, just like the US is re-thinking India-Pakistan relations with them, the Chinese should know these attempts to de-hyphenate China from Pak-China in the context of India.

 

[Distant_Observer]

India were licking their lips back in 2007 after the taliban and their simps in Pakistan completely and utterly destroyed Pakistan's relations with the US and the west.

It took the US 20 years to realise Indians are purely extractive chanakyas and they played them for $300 billion. Incredible.

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[SoulSpokesman]

@Distant_Observer

It took the US 20 years to realise Indians are purely extractive chanakyas and they played them for $300 billion.

Actually, 3.5 Trillion USD and 4 million jobs + H1Bs (as per Dalit bro, Hydra bro and others calculations)

Regards

 

[Ali_Baba]

@Distant_Observer

It took the US 20 years to realise Indians are purely extractive chanakyas and they played them for $300 billion.

Actually, 3.5 Trillion USD and 4 million jobs + H1Bs (as per Dalit bro, Hydra bro and others calculations)

Regards

India did and continues to do very well out of it. India has added the economic activity of at least 3 x Pakistan economies to its own. ie $1.67 trillion extra every single year. Nice going for sure.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Ali_Baba

India has added the economic activity of at least 3 x Pakistan economies to its own. ie $1.67 trillion extra every single year. Nice going for sure.

How did you get that USD 1.67 trillion number? I would put it at around USD 280-300 BN (USD 4 trillion * 7%) per annum.

Regards

 

[Thinking]

@Ali_Baba

India has added the economic activity of at least 3 x Pakistan economies to its own. ie $1.67 trillion extra every single year. Nice going for sure.

How did you get that USD 1.67 trillion number? I would put it at around USD 280-300 BN (USD 4 trillion * 7%) per annum.

Regards

He is likely doing the PPP thing. By the way, you need to add inflation to growth data. India was adding more than 10% for last few years.

 

[Ali_Baba]

@Ali_Baba

India has added the economic activity of at least 3 x Pakistan economies to its own. ie $1.67 trillion extra every single year. Nice going for sure.

How did you get that USD 1.67 trillion number? I would put it at around USD 280-300 BN (USD 4 trillion * 7%) per annum.

Regards

Economy of Pakistan is $405 billion currently.
Economy of India is $4.1 trillion currently.

Basically a 10:1 ratio for now on a current population difference of 1:6..

About 25-30 years ago, the ratio of the population was 1:7 for Pakistan/India, and the economic size difference was also 1:7... i.e. Pakistan and India were tracking at the same relative economic activity relative to the population size ratio difference.

Then India took off economically ..... and Pakistani GHQ generals "got" to work on "fixing" Pakistan..

Now the population difference is 1:6 (which makes the numbers even worse for Pakistan).

405 * 6 = $2.43 trillion - $4.1trillion = $1.676 trillion(ie ~3 x Current Pakistan sized economies) .. the difference is how much India has put on top through better management of her economy.

Yes, a very simplistic calculation, and yes you can throw in caveats on FX rates, and inflation but these factors are all down to mismanagement anyway, but the degree of difference now is significant.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

It was a relationship out of necessity to counter China.

My friend, you don't need to worry about what the United States thinks. We can see that Pakistan will achieve greater economic benefits in the future and have a higher status in the international community. As long as it is beneficial to Pakistan, this is good news.

China does not oppose economic cooperation between Pakistan and the United States. At a press conference on August 19, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that the relationship between Pakistan and the United States is a matter between Pakistan and the United States. China and Pakistan are good friends and all-weather cooperative partners, and we believe that China-Pakistan relations are not influenced by third parties, nor are they directed against any third parties.

 

[Thinking]

Economy of Pakistan is $405 billion currently.
Economy of India is $4.1 trillion currently.

Basically a 10:1 ratio for now on a current population difference of 1:6..

About 25-30 years ago, the ratio of the population was 1:7 for Pakistan/India, and the economic size difference was also 1:7... i.e. Pakistan and India were tracking at the same relative economic activity relative to the population size ratio difference.

Then India took off economically ..... and Pakistani GHQ generals "got" to work on "fixing" Pakistan..

Now the population difference is 1:6 (which makes the numbers even worse for Pakistan).

405 * 6 = $2.43 trillion - $4.1trillion = $1.676 trillion(ie ~3 x Current Pakistan sized economies) .. the difference is how much India has put on top through better management of her economy.

Yes, a very simplistic calculation, and yes you can throw in caveats on FX rates, and inflation but these factors are all down to mismanagement anyway, but the degree of difference now is significant.

India is a screwed nation and honestly, we are frustrated by many things but Pakistan is run by military. You were unable to build anything over a period of 70 years. As long as military remains in power, there is little hope. And this is precisely what India wants. We can easily sacrifice "4" planes and "drink some tea" here and there to maintain military chokehold.

Next 20 years will decide as to whether Pakistan changes its trajectory or remains a military run India hostile nation. If it chooses later (while owning India many times, teaching lindus many lessons etc..), gap between us and you will be bigger than Arabian sea. India is only getting started on economic front. Status quo is exactly what India wants.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Use some common sense . If Pakistan has viable oil, gas and rare earths reserves, why hasn't your iron brother China gotten involved in extracting them yet ?

What exactly does the crypto industry in Pakistan consist of ? Does Pakistan have its own coins that can rival BTC ? What is about Pakistan that is so unique ? The only thing I can think of is that it is an extremely corrupt country where the government lacks democratic legitimacy so graft and corruption would be easier .

Let me tell you why. These resources need to be transported once they are developed, and not all of them are located by the sea. China and Pakistan are cooperating to build roads, airports, factories, and ports. Don't you build a house by constructing the ground floor first before the second floor?

 

[Thinking]

Let me tell you why. These resources need to be transported once they are developed, and not all of them are located by the sea. China and Pakistan are cooperating to build roads, airports, factories, and ports. Don't you build a house by constructing the ground floor first before the second floor?

You literally can use ocean route! China buys goods from farther places than that! Nah, you just don't want to! Afterall, CPEC is meant to benefit China primarily. Pakistan just happens to be the route you want to use! It is not meant to build Pakistan's industrial capacity.

USE SEA! You are king of using ships!