What book are you reading?

We've obviously read a lot of the same kind of material that's influenced us heavily in similar directions of thinking heh.

What you describe is, the way I see it, veering of the US to more heavyset statism (the shift of things to the federal govt from the state level it was at prior to it)....this change of the nature of statism in the US in the 20th century has a running inductance into statist dependency to the level that things "bleed in" from proximate statist doctrines.

As to why statism and the populist-statism-maximalism (which slowly starts to intersect with more leftist and/or fascist ideology) was inducted/accelerated during the cold war era after WW2 is a longer topic to get into.....there are pre-WW2 things to look into sinew wise regarding it.

At any rate it has created downstream pressures on the nation component of the nationstate (given a nation is ultimately what supports a state, and an unwieldy state imposes a burden if misaligned time/ramp rate with say the nation's longer imbued inertia).

The US is its own context of it, but there are archetypes broadly in the world. The changing human world brings new competing forces that create own eddy currents in the positive virtue cycles that exist in their tiers....and also the negative-virtue voids that have been created in their tiers.

Political populism then responds to both of this to make somewhat oversimplied case for the nation to decide the next "chunk" of operating conditions policy wise from the state....again somewhat misaligned with the institutional inertias of the state that is has soaked up from its own statism and insularity (some call this the deep state etc).

Here are some posts I made in another forum w.r.t Ataturk "factor" as it relates to the social contract and the republic formed in Turkiye's case and some compare and contrast related to that, both you and others can take your time to think about things and reply to any bit that interests you:


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Populism is a shortcut politicians can use if institutions fail to meet the desires of the public, within reason, and should indicate to the career state officials that policy has gone either too far right or capitalist or too far left and socialist. This is why the social contract and the national culture matter. It sets the tone for what is expected of the government and should continue to be so. Culture changes slowly and gives enough time for institutions to adjust politicians don’t have to resort to populism.

Btw, I don’t think the state should be so powerful to crush the possibility of popular movements from amongst the masses. It is new movements lead by well educated and civic minded individuals, operating within the law and social contract the renew the Republic with each generation.
 
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For any field (to make bridge from human intelligence to AI).... you have to think about its dataset and where to access them.

So for smart cities, the existing cities (at least of importance/relevance/accessibility to you) datasets pertaining to their population dynamics, sociological and economic forces, infrastructure and so on.

You will then come across folks that are looking at, measuring and analysing the same thing....and it will help networking hopefully.

AI at this stage really is about optimal algorithms for search + filter in these datasets so it "learns"....so becoming comfy with the dataset and existing + legacy processes involving them is the 1st step.

For me its been air and gas molecules related, its very specific domain (i.e I know the dataset fairly well) and their incredibly large population numbers and numbers concerning their forces and other derivations.

So a montecarlo sim gains an immense advantage from example... deeplearning oriented to proper determination (by search, filter and refinement) of a suitably representative and sensitive subset of the population of molecules involved......as there is a heavy advantage to supercomputer/mainframe time having to deal with say 1000 vectors rather than a million (for the same qualitative result).

i.e dataset handling, what is the economisation that AI will help in it that you foresee and then you got to explore everything you can related to it wherever you can find it. Joining a company somehow involved in it will help you a lot on this as there is larger guidance you get off the bat.
I agree with your advise of joining a smart city company but before doing so, what non-CS skills should I possess? What I wish to do is to accelerate the development autonomous vehicles from Level 3 to Level 5. One path or in my opinion the only optimal path towards the development of Level 5 autonomous vehicles is by constructing smart cities and fully integrating autonomous vehicles with smart cities. Without this approach, I believe that the development of Level 5 autonomous vehicles will be almost impossible. Furthermore, I can confidently say that China will be the first country to build Level 5 autonomous vehicles.
 
For any field (to make bridge from human intelligence to AI).... you have to think about its dataset and where to access them.

So for smart cities, the existing cities (at least of importance/relevance/accessibility to you) datasets pertaining to their population dynamics, sociological and economic forces, infrastructure and so on.

You will then come across folks that are looking at, measuring and analysing the same thing....and it will help networking hopefully.

AI at this stage really is about optimal algorithms for search + filter in these datasets so it "learns"....so becoming comfy with the dataset and existing + legacy processes involving them is the 1st step.

For me its been air and gas molecules related, its very specific domain (i.e I know the dataset fairly well) and their incredibly large population numbers and numbers concerning their forces and other derivations.

So a montecarlo sim gains an immense advantage from example... deeplearning oriented to proper determination (by search, filter and refinement) of a suitably representative and sensitive subset of the population of molecules involved......as there is a heavy advantage to supercomputer/mainframe time having to deal with say 1000 vectors rather than a million (for the same qualitative result).

i.e dataset handling, what is the economisation that AI will help in it that you foresee and then you got to explore everything you can related to it wherever you can find it. Joining a company somehow involved in it will help you a lot on this as there is larger guidance you get off the bat.
Also, you are talking about deep learning and how it is being widely used today. I understand deep learning and I am working on a project that is extensively using deep learning. However, what I want to do in the future is to build fully autonomous systems. The deep learning that we mostly see is nothing but a glorified pattern recognizer, brute-forcing its way through datasets to produce results, much like an overenthusiastic intern trying to solve every problem with a hammer because that's the only tool they know.
I agree with your advise of joining a smart city company but before doing so, what non-CS skills should I possess? What I wish to do is to accelerate the development autonomous vehicles from Level 3 to Level 5. One path or in my opinion the only optimal path towards the development of Level 5 autonomous vehicles is by constructing smart cities and fully integrating autonomous vehicles with smart cities. Without this approach, I believe that the development of Level 5 autonomous vehicles will be almost impossible. Furthermore, I can confidently say that China will be the first country to build Level 5 autonomous vehicles.
 
I agree with your advise of joining a smart city company but before doing so, what non-CS skills should I possess? What I wish to do is to accelerate the development autonomous vehicles from Level 3 to Level 5. One path or in my opinion the only optimal path towards the development of Level 5 autonomous vehicles is by constructing smart cities and fully integrating autonomous vehicles with smart cities. Without this approach, I believe that the development of Level 5 autonomous vehicles will be almost impossible. Furthermore, I can confidently say that China will be the first country to build Level 5 autonomous vehicles.

Also, you are talking about deep learning and how it is being widely used today. I understand deep learning and I am working on a project that is extensively using deep learning. However, what I want to do in the future is to build fully autonomous systems. The deep learning that we mostly see is nothing but a glorified pattern recognizer, brute-forcing its way through datasets to produce results, much like an overenthusiastic intern trying to solve every problem with a hammer because that's the only tool they know.

I would familiarise as much as possible with control engineering as far as possible.

I do have some books I could suggest, but they are very specialised/antiquated to engineering+maths (and really I learned lot more on the fly in practical domain since).... you will find better ones if you search w.r.t more computer science domain on it.

Its all about handling the degrees of freedom in the systems nested within each other....to apply proper feedback loops etc so they are say input-sensitive, output-dampened to be optimally self-governing as far as possible w.r.t the operational environment (and its imperfect perturbations or output patterns generated etc). Any and all science and engineering related to this that you feel will be important.

This will give you a leg up for your final year of CS I think and then career after.

You can try your hand at writing some routines of representative units regarding implementing these control forces within them and then between them.

i.e some small scale simulation of first an idealised autonomous car and then having some number of them in a circuit flow (representing a traffic flow etc) for them to communicate among each other and realise optimal patters for that flow....i.e the inside out stuff.

Then you introduce imperfections of the real world to test the responses and so on and iterate to improve....and grow the flow size capacity and complexity too as you can. Only much later stage will you get to think about how to extract more useful data from a larger simulation by "throwing" a large number of imperfections represented by something like a monte carlo sim....and see the larger systemic response to it in outside-in fashion.

The larger you are able to grow the flow, the larger the numbers and then you might gain insight then into where deep learning can be implemented to handle scaling automatically and so on (by sandboxing in smaller scale, and designing algorithms to optimally filter the sensitive factors that are most relevant for scaling in the larger control design loop).

This kind of thing will naturally induct what you need to read more on and you will gain insight into the best specific subject matter experts of note (that have worked on it so far) most relevant to you, i.e source, names compiling in a log....and which alleyways of further knowledge or practical implementation you sense most utility and interest in relative to say what you can bring to a company you research and later join etc.

This is just from my approach/experience....I am biased by my field and coming at it through that lens.....i.e thinking of the larger flow (that you want to study and produce results for quicker through say AI). To me for autonomous cars etc, essentially the control logic inside and between them is the same kind of thing as forces between gaseous molecules essentially.
 
Sir, how is it determined which goals are both objective and rational?

What do all mainstream ideologies intersect and even agree on. Start there (basic law i.e the constitution and republic) and then work outwards (legislative process and judicial feedback check and balance loop) as free of identity-exclusivity based groups as possible (favouritism, suppression of these i.e systemic bias in the state that veers it to maximalism early) ....be they religion, ethnicity, creed, class, any descriptor that comes after it.

i.e what is physics vs metaphysics. Why is the meta added, what does it mean.

Why is the meta best left in the body public (nation) as far as possible rather than favouring one over the other (in the state, given the power the state has and the role of the state).....there is heavy subjectivism....can one religion or theology objectively prove things to another? No. They are still important things to discuss and engage in to one's preference, but they should not come to the state power.

To understand where I am coming from, maybe its best you read what I have to say w.r.t Turkish republic and Ataturk in this earlier reply in this thread:


Especially this part of reply no. 4 I posted in another forum (I have bolded some basic things I think all groups accept are objective and rational and do not engage exclusive in-group out group identity basis and politics that politicians will inevitably prey upon for their benefit at detriment to population holding them accountable on the basic things):

That is why statist operating principles need to be geared to being minimalist and focused as possible to that which is objective (within the nation)...i.e physical.

Law and order, security of the nation, administration, national infrastructure, long term merit institutions and so on and addressing any severe instances of market failure collectively by way of the state (in a market infancy period etc).

Things like religion, theology et al. are vast domains within the even larger domain of metaphysics.

The core self evident truths (preceding the nationstate formation) stemming from these can be harnessed and applied (regd the social contract and law etc which I mentioned earlier) without all the assorted baggage in the metaphysical alleyways (which are interesting to get into within bounds, but should not be wielded in the state) that will only impose costs.

A metaphysical+maximalist oriented state will do damage to the nation and start grievous erosions, conflicts (to add to any ongoing ones) and collapses....as it posits perfectionist utopia and make enemies among its own body quickly by power for power sake elitist capture and so on.


@SecularNationalist this is the thread that may interest you (regd secularism and the state), both you and Baadil can read from about page 26 when I post the social contract and develop my core premise for a minimalist state vs a maximalist (burdensome one). Maximalism by its raw larger gravity will attract corruption in deep ways harnessing identities in society.....and keep it backwards if its early or be a huge unnecessary and even destructive weight if its late.

You can tag any others you think are interested in slowly fleshing out things on this or think have worthy things to contribute.....also any other things that pop up in this thread that interest you.
 
This was the book I first really got a deep delve into Ike about btw (I really found it impossible to put down ~12 years ago, Korda did a great job, its how I remember the "start", poker and all....very distinctly):

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Finally got around to watching this (TV Movie) earlier.... after the YT algorithm kicked it up while ago.... Tom Selleck does a decent portrayal, its mostly the leadup to overlord.

@Fatman17 et al.

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Finally got around to watching this (TV Movie) earlier.... after the YT algorithm kicked it up while ago.... Tom Selleck does a decent portrayal, its mostly the leadup to overlord.

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Yes indeed. One of the better portrayals of IKE. better than what Robert Duvall did. Selleck is a fine actor.
 
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Yes indeed. One of the better portrayals of IKE. better than what Robert Duvall did. Selleck is a fine actor.

Patton still has my favourite portrayal of a US general with George C Scott heh.

That speech at the start capturing Patton's attitude right from the get go....then it fading into the movie theme by Jerry Goldsmith to a desert battleground (where Patton will first now have to apply and prove himself)...still sends chills for me thinking of it.

Another one of my dad's favourite movies.

Since its a book thread:

Rommellllll, you magnificent bastard... I READ YOUR BOOK!!!!! (:LOL: )
 
Patton still has my favourite portrayal of a US general with George C Scott heh.

That speech at the start capturing Patton's attitude right from the get go....then it fading into the movie theme by Jerry Goldsmith to a desert battleground (where Patton will first now have to apply and prove himself)...still sends chills for me thinking of it.

Another one of my dad's favourite movies.

Since its a book thread:

Rommellllll, you magnificent bastard... I READ YOUR BOOK!!!!! :)LOL: )
Masterpiece acting by George C. Scott.
 
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Patton the Poet
 
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I came across it again in my emergency archive I keep with all kind of conversations/debates I have had too with folks.
@Joe Shearer

A few days later censorship was imposed on newspapers. The Delhi edition of the Indian Express on 28 June, carried a blank editorial, while the Financial Express reproduced in large type Rabindranath Tagore's poem "Where the mind is without fear"

This created a pretty nice conversation log with some fellow Tamils at the time, what it reminded us of etc. I'll get into this a bit later.

Bringing up emergency in the other thread prompted me to look into my folder again heh.
 

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