I feel the even larger scaffolding of that human domain
Where to start....oh where?
What is in my mind w.r.t this forum most recently and immediately right now I guess is good place as any.
Before i can get into the three S relations: schrodinger, souvenirs and semantics... (relevant layers in their context pertaining to all of this)...
There's phenomena often seen with a whole ideological war happening and the waves crash on the beach, flotsam and jetsam...
A beach with its size, time and distance from whatever caused the flotsam and jetsam far away or near...
It is up to the beach in the end to deal with the flotsam and jetsam....one mans trash is another mans treasure on that stuff... largely dependent on how close or how far you were and are to the war and your sense of all flotsam and jetsam you saw on your way to the beach...
I focus on those i can trust and i can value that see the bigger picture ....i.e "the 5%" qualitative-oriented or so anywhere....
I recede from the 95% disturbia noise that has gotten stale and worse to me....the ones that do too much conflation of good and bad.
If the 95% impacts on the 5%, that's when I prioritise intervention....it needs sound trust of my own judgement on the 5% and 95% I suppose in the end. i.e if flotsam and jetsam trash goes out of its way to be a real nuisance in what I see are the vital cogs and sanctuaries above the morass, it becomes my problem too
But its ultimately in the interest of the "distilled 5%" understanding ideological wars broadly and better....to then work through the layers they have with whom they then interact.
But there's just going to be huge gaps all during this process anywhere, a matter of degree in the end....so i work with what i have.
The larger beach upkeep in the end (w.r.t pristine spots vs morass) depends on all the vital cogs applying this...its something out of my control in the end....and it is what it is in the end.
Hence my interest in focusing on only quality here as far as possible and to try get the quantity to self-regulate itself as far as it can
@Joe Shearer
There's a whole stargate episode that comes to mind where "Macgyver" (I always called Richard Dean Anderson that as there's a long running gag of an inside joke I have with a friend).... dithers and dithers with some leader on another planet that just doesn't get the nature of the war that has now arrived to his planet and society.
That "leader" that has the biggest lever to take action from the clear objective warnings Macgyver gives.....yet the leader trusts instead in certain metaphysical superstitions, for the purpose of being blind to reality.... given the refuge and operating norms and conventions and all else this has provided as long as it has....as though correlation is full causation.
No deference given to one that has seen the war as long as he has....and knows what is about to occur.
It was in end telling case of not dithering too long (much time squandered trying to convince one that just didn't grasp it, as well intended as he was too) and to taking action promptly where possible to preserve and solidify on higher ground first that which is good and can be (lest it be swept away by the incoming flood)....and work from that outwards. Otherwise waiting for the highest human lever can be too late simply put....its a coin flip binary not aligned with the resolution of society underneath.
This is how I deal with authority tiers in all social contract (big and small) with what authority I have to work with those that accept it.
Since its a book thread, and since i mentioned Hobbes and Locke already (Rousseau, Hume et al. are just extra bonuses for those keen on it):
In an archetypical way, this resembles the disputes i have with another friend regarding the post on "electric sheep" and what he sees as ersatz and genuine....and why the Philip K Dick novel (and the movie even more so IMO) is good as any to get into for us as we have started.
His is a more Hobbesian approach, mine is firmly Lockean....he doesn't seem to know either word though heh at least at this point.
But it is not surprising he prefers the book, and I the movie (Bladerunner).
This is why it will mimic to some degree what I got into with my counterpart
@_NOBODY_ here as well regarding "brave new world".
More on this later, I will see if anyone has any thoughts to share in interim.