Who Rules the Waves? U.S. and Chinese Fleets, by Tonnage

[Lulldapull]

What have the Iranians really achieved ? Trade goes on as usual. Iran wants to be seen as doing something however ineffective it might actually be.

Talk is cheap. Look at Palestinians in Gaza, They are getting slaughtered in slow motion. Thousands of Hamas fighters or Iran cannot do squat to stop it. I am not justifying anything here. Pointing out the obvious

Warships are great. They are ineffective against naval air combat aircraft unless you have some of those protecting the skies on your side.

The Iranians have delegitimized the Israelis I am fool. Can’t yous see? How old are you?

Iran is da top dog today in da region. You will have to listen to deir whims if yous as a hendu-Pak wanna progress.

Yous don’t know what’s up no? All this propaganda?

Iran is being civilized and patient.

For now……get real foo…..

 

[Yommie]

Small kills big. We seen at Ukraine Russia conflict. The bigger the thing, the less survivable.

 

[Nuffle]

The numbers on both sides don't make sense.

 

[F-22Raptor]

There was a time when US was building Arleigh burke class destroyers and All china was producing was 2000 ton light frigates. Today China is producing Type-055s and Type-052D destroyers and guess what US is still producing same Arleigh burkes. Chinese have progressed immensely in last 2 decades while US is not able to catch up with the trend. Is only a matter of time that China will be ahead in tonnage-wise as well. Its the writing on the wall. You just have to see that almost entire Chinese fleet of destroyers is modern Built 2014 and onwards. Chinese do not have to phase out much. But the USN will have to retire a lot of vessels. So when you see how much US is adding versus retiring and then compare it with already beefed up Chinese construction of warships, then you get the real picture. That graph / infographic will be upside down by 2030.

Just note, I am not comparing the technology or capabilities. I am not going into it. I am just pointing out at the "tonnage" comparison that's whats this thread is all about. I am only stating that tonnage advantage to US is only temporary. Its just matter of time, the PLAN will have more tonnage overall.

Here is the USNs 2025 shipbuilding plan and battle force posture through 2040.

And USN planned procurement over the next 5 years.

We build Burke’s because they are the most advanced destroyers in the world, especially now the Flight 3s with SPY-6 radars.

China could double its 55 fleet and add another dozen 52Ds today, and the US would STILL exceed Chinas VLS cell count by almost double.

 

[F-22Raptor]

It's not the current that worries analysts, it's the trend that does.

The USN rules the waves, for now. But warships are not permanent, they are not like real estate, but more like durable consumables like your own car. When you buy it it's shiny and new, and it will carry you places for a good while, but eventually, there will be a time when you will have to replace them. And if you are earning less money than you did back before, then you are gonna get a downgrade.

Same deal with warships. Usually, a warship has around 5 decades of lifespan from drydock to scrapyard, and this means if, over the course of 50 years, your shipbuilding capability and naval budget shrinks, in due time your past assets will become your current liability.

This is precisely the conundrum facing the USN going into the 2030s, where its own backbones are not ageing well both in condition and in technology, while replacements are hard to come by.

The earliest Nimitz and Ticonderogas are on countdowns and that's just a start. For the coming decades, every 3-5 years a carrier and a batch of surface combatants will retire with little hope of timely replacement, and the scale of the fleet will begin to dwindle exponentially as the rate of retirement burns through the rate of replacement.

The biggest enemy of the USN isn't the PLAN the VMF or any other navy in the world, but rather our past selves 50 years ago.

Retirement of ships is nothing new to anyone. See my above post, and USN battle force posture through 2040. The USN procures ships every year.












All brand new Burke destroyers

 

[ety]

Who Rules the Waves? U.S. and Chinese Fleets, by Tonnage

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Overview​

With China’s third aircraft carrier in sea trails, and reports that the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy already has more ships than the U.S., just how do these superpower rivals stack up, ton for ton?

Key Takeaways​

• The U.S. Navy has over 3.6 million (U.S.) tons of ships in its fleet, nearly twice the size of China’s combined fleets of just over 2 million tons.
• While China boasts the largest number of ships, 1,015 between both the PLA Navy and the Chinese Coast Guard, against the U.S. Navy’s 364, they are generally smaller and less advanced than their U.S. counterparts.
• The Chinese Coast Guard has received many of the PLA Navy’s older ships, however the vast majority of their ships are patrol and coastal combatants that average 711 tons apiece and aren’t able to sail far from China’s coast.
• Even as the U.S. Navy edges out the PLA Navy across almost every ship type, China does hold a 16:1 edge in tonnage of landing ships and craft, reflecting the Asian superpower’s stated policy goal of reunifying Taiwan with the mainland.

@F-22Raptor @LeGenD @Foinikas It's not even close lol

@Beijingwalker

Why in top left corner the small picture says that PLAN has only about 380,000 t navy while the large infographic says totally different thing ? Same goes for Chinese coast guard.

 

[SolarWarden]

 

[xiao]

It's not the current that worries analysts, it's the trend that does.

The USN rules the waves, for now. But warships are not permanent, they are not like real estate, but more like durable consumables like your own car. When you buy it it's shiny and new, and it will carry you places for a good while, but eventually, there will be a time when you will have to replace them. And if you are earning less money than you did back before, then you are gonna get a downgrade.

Same deal with warships. Usually, a warship has around 5 decades of lifespan from drydock to scrapyard, and this means if, over the course of 50 years, your shipbuilding capability and naval budget shrinks, in due time your past assets will become your current liability.

This is precisely the conundrum facing the USN going into the 2030s, where its own backbones are not ageing well both in condition and in technology, while replacements are hard to come by.

The earliest Nimitz and Ticonderogas are on countdowns and that's just a start. For the coming decades, every 3-5 years a carrier and a batch of surface combatants will retire with little hope of timely replacement, and the scale of the fleet will begin to dwindle exponentially as the rate of retirement burns through the rate of replacement.

The biggest enemy of the USN isn't the PLAN the VMF or any other navy in the world, but rather our past selves 50 years ago.

China's shipbuilding capacity has far surpassed that of the United States, and the United States' aircraft carriers are basically all remnants of the Cold War, and now the United States has taken longer to repair an aircraft carrier than China has taken to build an aircraft carrier, and the war potential China launched last year The total tonnage of ships launched last year was the first in the world, and what about the United States?

 

[SolarWarden]

How come we no longer see USA sailing carriers in Red Sea or near Yemen?

I thought USA got about 12 carrier groups.

USA must send 6 carrier groups to Yemen to scare them to behaving and to let Zionist Nazis continue their slaughter and killing of Palestinian kids and children in thei GOD SANCTIONED RIGHT TO LEBENSRAUM AS THEY WISH

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Why do you troll with stupid sht like this? Are you slow?

 

[UKBengali]

The US builds higher tonnage ships, with more VLS cells and advanced capabilities.
The USN has over 10,000 cells between its surface ships and conventional subs. It’s like two and a half x the amount of Chinese cells.

The USN is also flying 5th Gen fighters from its carriers and amphibs, and is far more capable than Chinas capability.

An the PLAN is not even close to being in the same league as US nuclear submarine technology.

Type-95 SSN.

 

[SolarWarden]

USN will dominate the EM realm giving it superior battlespace picture denying celestial navy and air force situational awareness. They will be not totally blind but degraded and sine their branches of their military don't fight as a hive mind mentality or to better put it a Joint-command combined arms way of fighting they are not going to know what the other is doing.

Fighting a war against USN/USAF under high-tech conditions is going to be a very rude awakening for the PLA.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Why do you troll with stupid sht like this? Are you slow?

He is just a kid with multiple IDs, ignore him bro

 

[DF-41]

Why do you troll with stupid sht like this? Are you slow?

Honest question

USA should send in all her 12 carriers into Red Sea to threatened Houthis into good behaviour

To let Zionist Nazis continue their slaughter and killing of Palestinian kids and children in thei GOD SANCTIONED RIGHT TO LEBENSRAUM AS THEY WISH

 

[Lulldapull]

Houthi hit the Eisenhower last week. It’s outta commission at the port of Jeddah for emergency repairs. Lots of ships have been hit and some even sunk by the Houthis.

 

[ety]

Houthi hit the Eisenhower last week. It’s outta commission at the port of Jeddah for emergency repairs. Lots of ships have been hit and some even sunk by the Houthis.

The US is denying any hit to the carrier despite a number of photos circulating in the internet saying so.