Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

Master Chief said:
Well, reading between the lines here, Pakistan should simply treat each cycle of events on its own merits, which I agree with, as do most on this thread I would imagine. This is the essence of international diplomacy. I think Pakistan is getting it right for the time being. Certainly, facilitating the destruction of functioning nation states is sheer lunacy, playing right into the hands of Tel Aviv.

Let me put it another way - would Israel actually be happy to have every nation in the region reduced to cave dwelling klashnikov wielders (Houthis, Talibs etc) scrapping with each other or within their own houses perpetually (take a look at Syria for another case in point)?

When Iran is sensible, we should support them. When Saudia is sensible, we should support them! Only two nations in our region are deemed "incorrigible" - no prizes for guessing them.

What Israel fears the most is a unified and peaceful, fully self sustaining empire on its borders.

But never even mind Israel. Why shouldn't an empire be forged from this region to rival any other on the planet? The Mecca Agreement remains the best single step that any of the regional nations have taken in decades and I would say that even if Pakistan were not part of it (while hoping they would quickly sign up of course) . I genuinely hope it is not scuppered by these myopic "tribesmen" and their noble klashnikovs.
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Okay but “Treat each cycle on merits” is exactly what I’m doing. On merits, KSA is a Pakistani ally who hosts US/Western ISR, GBAD and offensive systems pointed at Iran. Whether Riyadh pulls the trigger or not, that makes it a node in a network used against Iran and in support of Israel ( TP1 and 2 operations ). Pakistan can keep the relationship and the remittances, but let’s not pretend hosting those capabilities by KSA is strategically neutral. Its fully in alliance with US & Israel. And Iran being our neighbor, we cannot and should not support jumping completely in bed with the Aal e Saud.

Second, I don't know where this bit i.e facilitating the destruction of functioning nation states comes from. Nobody said dismantle Saudi Arabia or Iran. The question is whether Pakistan should give blind strategic cover to a Gulf monarchy while Iran is our neighbor and KSA is not. That’s not lunacy that’s just basic threat geography.

And you said “when Iran is sensible support them, when Saudia is sensible support them” sounds good but who gets to define sensible? Iran’s strike into Pakistan was a genuine dick move and we gave them a sound punch. That settles deterrence, not permanent alignment. Mature diplomacy can deter Iran and still refuse to be KSA’s flank in it's illegal wars of aggression. It's a fact that they starved Yemeni population with their blockades causing mass famines. Houthis are just settling their score now.
 
Kharral said:
You believe Prophets of ALLAH azza wajal are born to Mushrikeen ?
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It has got nothing to do with my belief. I won't be asked about this.

Kharral said:
The man mentioned in Quran, Azar is not the biological father of Prophet Ibrahim as. The word “ab” has broad meaning, i,e Father, Uncle, guardian.
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I have heard this reasoning before, anyhow, so uncles deny and do not accept the message, in case of Ibrahim A.S, Azar, Ibrahim's uncle (as you believe) was a mushrik, but somehow the father of Ibrahim was practicing a different faith then his brother? For whatever reason, Abu Talib did not listen to Hazrat Muhammad.

Remove Karbala and the whole division vanishes, so to keep Karbala, many lies have to be told and sold.
 
Persian Gulf said:


former head of UK MI6: "The Houthis are here to stay. They're not going to be defeated, and they're going to remain in control of a large part of Yemen for the foreseeable future"
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and so are the Saudis and the rest of the Gulf. Both sides have to win hearts and minds to coexist.
Nonetheless, a little bit of leadership can change.
 
I*R*A said:
All this has to come to some conclusion eventually. All this division, confusion and sectarianism cannot continue. Faris needs to claim its clear identity first, better go back to old ways and grow from there, instead being forced to follow fatwas of ayatullahs.
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You know that Shia Islam has its roots in Arabian heartland, right?
Medina has one of the oldest continuously existing Shia communities of all places in the Mid East.

No matter how much I detest that chap Arabian Knight aka Arabian Sword etc., at least he had the decency to acknowledge this fact.

Shia Islam is quintessentially Arab and Iranians adopted it much later, though there were pockets/significant minorities inside Persian heartland from the very early times.
None of the Shia Imams are Persians.
The same cannot be said about the majority sect.
 
Ali_Baba said:

UK to deploy fighter jets to protect Saudi Arabia from Houthi attacks​


www.theguardian.com

UK to deploy fighter jets to protect Saudi Arabia from Houthi attacks

RAF Typhoon fighters to fly defensive missions over cities and infrastructure in extension of UK support for Riyadh
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Strange move. If a single UK jet is downed by a sand warrior or even crashes in some accident out there, which is not beyond the realm of possibility, the backlash will be immediate in UK. The political ecosystem is quite different from the USA where Trumpism is now firmly embedded. I am guessing Burnham was under severe pressure from you know who.
 
Falgrine said:
You know that Shia Islam has its roots in Arabian heartland, right?
Medina has one of the oldest continuously existing Shia communities of all places in the Mid East.

No matter how much I detest that chap Arabian Knight aka Arabian Sword etc., at least he had the decency to acknowledge this fact.

Shia Islam is quintessentially Arab and Iranians adopted it much later, though there were pockets/significant minorities inside Persian heartland from the very early times.
None of the Shia Imams are Persians.
The same cannot be said about the majority sect.
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Do you know who Hormuzan was and where did he settle? Abu Lulu Firoz? Or Salman Farsi? After the fall of empire it was not very odd of persians to be in Arab territories and vice versa.

Shiites

Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni ... was a persian​

Ibn Babawayh ... of Persian descent​

Shaykh Tusi ... again a Persian​


Sunnis

Bukhari ... a persian
Muslim ibn al_Hajjaj ... persian
Al-Nasai ... from Khrosan

Abu Dawud al-Sijistani ... a persian of Arab descent​

Al - Tirmidhi .. again from Khorasan

Ibn Majah ... also from Persia​


One can only wonder why it was only persians who felt the need to write traditions and none of the Arabs produced a single traditions book.

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