Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[RescueRanger]

Correct, Sir. I will follow the forum rules. My apologies.

No need to apologise Bahi, I want us all to discuss without fighting. I’m fed up with ho toxic PDf has become of late and will be looking to ban frequent offenders. Please report inappropriate posts when you come across them.

 

[Feroze]

No need to apologise Bahi, I want us all to discuss without fighting. I’m fed up with ho toxic PDf has become of late and will be looking to ban frequent offenders. Please report inappropriate posts when you come across them.

Rightly said.

Back on topic, Even the Pakistani government is siding with Saudi Arabia.

This has nothing to do with the Palestinian cause.

 

[Michael]

You got right to chose your side.. By Ramadan which is around the Chinese new year you will see the houthis retreat from majority of the major cities they hold.. Forget them winning they will be hunted down..

I fully understand your position. I am not attempting to criticize or refute it.

Let me offer you a parallel example:
Currently, there is an intense struggle between China and the Philippines in the South China Sea. (I am not sure if you are aware of this situation.) Suppose, at this moment, Russia were to say to China: "I will send my naval fleet to the South China Sea to support you."
How do you think China would respond?
I can tell you quite clearly: China would have only one response for Russia—"Get out!"

The conflict between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis actually bears many similarities to the situation between China and the Philippines—in both cases, a powerful entity is facing off against a much weaker one. Yet, look at how Saudi Arabia has responded: not only did it invoke the MDA agreement to seek help from Pakistan and Turkey, but other nations—such as Egypt and the United Kingdom—also stepped in to assist. And, of course, there is the fact that Saudi Arabia even requested support from the United States...

And you expect me to believe that Saudi Arabia is an exceptionally powerful entity?

Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

 

[battalion25]

I fully understand your position. I am not attempting to criticize or refute it.

Let me offer you a parallel example:
Currently, there is an intense struggle between China and the Philippines in the South China Sea. (I am not sure if you are aware of this situation.) Suppose, at this moment, Russia were to say to China: "I will send my naval fleet to the South China Sea to support you."
How do you think China would respond?
I can tell you quite clearly: China would have only one response for Russia—"Get out!"

The conflict between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis actually bears many similarities to the situation between China and the Philippines—in both cases, a powerful entity is facing off against a much weaker one. Yet, look at how Saudi Arabia has responded: not only did it invoke the MDA agreement to seek help from Pakistan and Turkey, but other nations—such as Egypt and the United Kingdom—also stepped in to assist. And, of course, there is the fact that Saudi Arabia even requested support from the United States...

And you expect me to believe that Saudi Arabia is an exceptionally powerful entity?

Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

KSA seeks Air defense aid not militarily or boots on the ground. They would have put their forces on the ground if there was a need for it.

there is a large forces already fighting the houthis and there is not a single saudi ground forces.

On the ground it is 1v1 and that will never change

 

[Feroze]

I fully understand your position. I am not attempting to criticize or refute it.

Let me offer you a parallel example:
Currently, there is an intense struggle between China and the Philippines in the South China Sea. (I am not sure if you are aware of this situation.) Suppose, at this moment, Russia were to say to China: "I will send my naval fleet to the South China Sea to support you."
How do you think China would respond?
I can tell you quite clearly: China would have only one response for Russia—"Get out!"

The conflict between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis actually bears many similarities to the situation between China and the Philippines—in both cases, a powerful entity is facing off against a much weaker one. Yet, look at how Saudi Arabia has responded: not only did it invoke the MDA agreement to seek help from Pakistan and Turkey, but other nations—such as Egypt and the United Kingdom—also stepped in to assist. And, of course, there is the fact that Saudi Arabia even requested support from the United States...

And you expect me to believe that Saudi Arabia is an exceptionally powerful entity?

Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

Yes, but the Saudi authorities and their ulema do not see these Houthis as agreeing to the mainstream interpretation of religion... I don't want to make this a sectarian thread.

Look Saudi authorities may believe Houthis are heretics.

 

[Master Chief]

Yes, but the Saudi authorities and their ulema do not see these Houthis as agreeing to the mainstream interpretation of religion... I don't want to make this a sectarian thread.

Look Saudi authorities may believe Houthis are heretics.

Did you read his post? He has illustrated the incompetence of KSA, nothing else. He is correct. Most neutral observers would agree with this.

 

[Feroze]

Did you read his post? He has illustrated the incompetence of KSA, nothing else. He is correct. Most neutral observers would agree with this.

Okay, I reread it again. Yes, Saudi Arabia is not a very powerful entity in itself.

Saudi Arabia has a small population.

 

[Haz]

Yemenis face severe shortages in Taiz amid Houthi blockade​

Residents in Yemen’s Taiz are facing severe food and water shortages after a Houthi blockade cut off a key supply route. The UN warns aid can no longer reach the city, leaving an estimated 800,000 people without life-saving assistance amid escalating conflict.

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/new...severe-shortages-in-taiz-amid-houthi-blockade

 

[Damir]

Yes, but the Saudi authorities and their ulema do not see these Houthis as agreeing to the mainstream interpretation of religion... I don't want to make this a sectarian thread.

Look Saudi authorities may believe Houthis are heretics.

With what right does the Saudi government and ulema consider the Houthis to be heretics? Why don't they think about themselves and their Wahhabi takfir ideology, don't they see how much chaos and unhappiness they have caused by exporting their ideology to other Islamic nations?

 

[Michael]

KSA seeks Air defense aid not militarily or boots on the ground. They would have put their forces on the ground if there was a need for it.
there is a large forces already fighting the houthis and there is not a single saudi ground forces.
On the ground it is 1v1 and that will never change

Initially, Saudi Arabia relied on the Yemeni government forces it backed to fight the Houthi rebels—but they failed, even losing the capital.
Subsequently, Saudi Arabia entered the fray directly, yet this still failed to alter the situation.
Now, Turkey and Pakistan have deployed military forces to intervene and defend Saudi Arabia. It is also reported that Egypt and the United Kingdom have joined the effort to protect the Saudis...

If Saudi Arabia is as formidable as you claim, why does it require protection from these external forces?

It is widely acknowledged internationally that the Houthi forces are backed by Iran. Yet, to date, Iran has not engaged in any overt, direct intervention in the war in Yemen; its involvement has been limited, at most, to providing weaponry or military advisors. In contrast, Saudi Arabia enjoys the open, direct military support of a multinational coalition.

Bear in mind that Saudi Arabia is internationally recognized as a major power in the Middle East—ranking highly on global indices in terms of land area, military might, and economic strength. The Houthis, by contrast, are merely a guerrilla insurgent group—fighters who often go into battle wearing nothing more than sandals. By any metric, they are in no way comparable to Saudi Arabia; indeed, no mainstream nation in the world today even recognizes the Houthis as a sovereign state.

Yet, the outcome on the battlefield is deeply ironic!

If Saudi Arabia wishes to restore belief in its genuine military prowess, it must demonstrate this through concrete action, not empty slogans. It is profoundly ironic that, in a conflict characterized by such a vast disparity in strength, the supposedly dominant side finds itself having to scramble for assistance from allies.

Okay, I reread it again. Yes, Saudi Arabia is not a very powerful entity in itself.

Some people do not think so. They believe that Saudi Arabia is very powerful!

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[battalion25]

Initially, Saudi Arabia relied on the Yemeni government forces it backed to fight the Houthi rebels—but they failed, even losing the capital.
Subsequently, Saudi Arabia entered the fray directly, yet this still failed to alter the situation.
Now, Turkey and Pakistan have deployed military forces to intervene and defend Saudi Arabia. It is also reported that Egypt and the United Kingdom have joined the effort to protect the Saudis...

If Saudi Arabia is as formidable as you claim, why does it require protection from these external forces?

It is widely acknowledged internationally that the Houthi forces are backed by Iran. Yet, to date, Iran has not engaged in any overt, direct intervention in the war in Yemen; its involvement has been limited, at most, to providing weaponry or military advisors. In contrast, Saudi Arabia enjoys the open, direct military support of a multinational coalition.

Bear in mind that Saudi Arabia is internationally recognized as a major power in the Middle East—ranking highly on global indices in terms of land area, military might, and economic strength. The Houthis, by contrast, are merely a guerrilla insurgent group—fighters who often go into battle wearing nothing more than sandals. By any metric, they are in no way comparable to Saudi Arabia; indeed, no mainstream nation in the world today even recognizes the Houthis as a sovereign state.

Yet, the outcome on the battlefield is deeply ironic!

If Saudi Arabia wishes to restore belief in its genuine military prowess, it must demonstrate this through concrete action, not empty slogans. It is profoundly ironic that, in a conflict characterized by such a vast disparity in strength, the supposedly dominant side finds itself having to scramble for assistance from allies.

Some people do not think so. They believe that Saudi Arabia is very powerful!

There are a lot of fallacies in your post, brother, and let me highlight them for you gently. I do not blame you because there is so much propaganda out there, and people will easily buy into it. For someone like you who doesn't follow this conflict closely, it is easy to buy into this repeated online propaganda.

1. You said Saudi Arabia relied on the Yemeni government and lost the capital? This is the first disclaimer: the Saudis did not rely on them, nor did they even know about any Houthi revolution back in 2014. It was a complete surprise. In fact, the Houthis captured the entire country with the help of Iran and others in a surprise blitzkrieg.

I guess you never knew that everyone was caught by surprise, as the Houthis had been preparing for this for ages. They successfully captured the whole country, including Aden.

1. You said Saudi Arabia directly got involved? The Saudis never actually got involved with boots on the ground; this is very important to note.

The South Yemenis and the exiled government back then asked for help, and then Saudi Arabia responded. Note that when the Saudis intervened, all of Yemen was under Houthi control except for the east, which is an irrelevant part. With the help of the Saudis, Al-Muharrami, a Salafi leader who created the Giants Brigade, fought back. With Saudi air cover, he liberated 70% of the country, and then the government returned. Hence, the help of the Saudis worked.

Houthi propagandists would make you believe that they have been fighting the Saudis street by street on the ground, which is a massive fallacy. They never did, except for taking airstrikes or shooting back ballistic missiles and other rockets. That is basically it.

1. You made the Houthis sound like a very weak opponent, but they aren't. They are highly capable; do not get fooled by their sandals and ways. They are technologically advanced beyond any typical militia. They are 100 times stronger than Hamas and Hezbollah combined, plus they have much larger manpower.

They are not the pushovers you may assume them to be—far from it. The Americans would never dare to deploy their forces against the Houthis in conventional warfare. In fact, not many countries dare to, and they advised the Saudis, telling them there is no conventional solution. However, they are entirely wrong, as the Saudis did not buy into the hype.

1. The other disclaimer is the fact that you assume the UK, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, the US, etc., will all deploy their conventional armed forces and fight the Houthis in Yemen. That is not going to happen.

The only reason they came is to protect the infrastructure of an ally from any launched rockets. That is basically it.

As far as ground troops go, that is entirely between the Houthis and the internationally recognized government, including the Giants Brigade.

The PLC forces are now 70 kilometers from Sana'a as we speak, and Bab al-Mandab has been cleared out, including the Mayyun Islands. The Giants Brigade is preparing for a push into Hodeidah in the coming days.

The Houthis are on their last legs. It may not be apparent to you yet, but what comes from here on out is a formality. The only thing that can save the Houthis at this point is a ceasefire, which has been completely rejected.

The Houthis are on the ropes. They made an ill-fated decision to launch an attack on a heavily fortified area like Taiz, which broke their backs in ways you will never understand. Imagine Bakhmut or Eastern Ghouta, just much bigger and larger in population and size. That tactical mistake made their armed forces burn out like a cigarette

 

[battalion25]

The drone weapon targeted supplies and military provisions in the Second Brigade - Homeland Shield Forces at the Hawishan site on the Al-Jawf front, as part of Operation "Yemen Dawn".

 

[RescueRanger]

I fully understand your position. I am not attempting to criticize or refute it.

Let me offer you a parallel example:
Currently, there is an intense struggle between China and the Philippines in the South China Sea. (I am not sure if you are aware of this situation.) Suppose, at this moment, Russia were to say to China: "I will send my naval fleet to the South China Sea to support you."
How do you think China would respond?
I can tell you quite clearly: China would have only one response for Russia—"Get out!"

The conflict between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis actually bears many similarities to the situation between China and the Philippines—in both cases, a powerful entity is facing off against a much weaker one. Yet, look at how Saudi Arabia has responded: not only did it invoke the MDA agreement to seek help from Pakistan and Turkey, but other nations—such as Egypt and the United Kingdom—also stepped in to assist. And, of course, there is the fact that Saudi Arabia even requested support from the United States...

And you expect me to believe that Saudi Arabia is an exceptionally powerful entity?

Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

Very good post.

 

[MS Sandhu]

How easily he skipped Yemenis who wave Iranian flag lol.
A complete hypocrite person