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Lol, something you Vietnamese don't understand of Chinese history of dealings with Japanese and Russians for the past two centuries. Most Chinese rather be friends of Russia than Japan. Japan is the nation that did by far the most damages to China and sufferings to Chinese in recent times, followed by Britain and then Russia. Don't look Chinese views on Russia always from your colored German and also possibly certain Japanese lenses, they are two losers and criminals in WW II. You think Chinese should any how care about the Japanese feelings after their PM and other Japanese stating literally that they want to invade China again ? Get real.
Not so easy.
War happens when weakness, long term motives, timing come together. I am just a neutral observer. what are you afraid of? I don’t understand. Japan can arm to teeth but at the end of the day the Japanese to the PLA are much like the rich oilsheiks Singapore army to Vietnam military.
Japan glory is gone. Will never return.
 
Economic, diplomatic, military pressure on Japan ok, but recognizing russian’s occupation is a very dumb move. That brings 0 benefit to China. Worse, will damage the relationship to JP beyond repair. Should think in the long term. The Japanese will stay there until dinosaurs return.
You've misunderstood the issue.

Chinese people prioritize justice in their actions. This is our most fundamental core principle.

According to relevant documents after World War II, Japan has no sovereignty over the Northern Territories (Kuril Islands). This is a publicly available and legally binding basis in international rules. Russia effectively controls the region. China's previous stance was neither to acknowledge nor deny this, but to call for negotiations between the two sides. However, if Japan continues to escalate the issue between China and Japan, even if China recognizes Russia's claim to the region, it would not violate any international rules. Realistically, based on the strategic issues between China and Russia, China will not publicly acknowledge the ownership of the region, but de facto exchanges are possible.

The same issue exists regarding Japan's claim to the Ryukyu Islands. According to current international rules and relevant legal documents, Japan has no sovereignty over the Ryukyu Islands.

The Potsdam Declaration is a legal document signed by all parties, including Japan, at the end of World War II. It explicitly states that Japanese sovereignty is limited to Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, and Shikoku, as well as other minor islands specified in the declaration. The scope of Japanese sovereignty mentioned in the declaration does not include the Northern Territories (Kuril Islands) or the Ryukyu Islands.

This is entirely different from Russia's occupation of Ukrainian territory. Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, and other regions, legally and according to international rules, belong entirely to Ukraine. The Chinese government has never recognized Russia's occupation of these regions.
 
Not so easy.
War happens when weakness, long term motives, timing come together. I am just a neutral observer. what are you afraid of? I don’t understand. Japan can arm to teeth but at the end of the day the Japanese to the PLA are much like the rich oilsheiks Singapore army to Vietnam military.
Japan glory is gone. Will never return.
Not afraid of Japan. Actually Chinese want Japanese to carry on their intentions to intervene or invade China militarily, then we can take revenge to smash the ba***** country into pieces. I do agree Japan's hegemon in East Asia is long gone and will never return, there was never any glory but brutality and savage, but we want to destroy it. Do you think Singapore military or Vietnam military is much stronger now ? I am not so sure.
 
You've misunderstood the issue.

Chinese people prioritize justice in their actions. This is our most fundamental core principle.

According to relevant documents after World War II, Japan has no sovereignty over the Northern Territories (Kuril Islands). This is a publicly available and legally binding basis in international rules. Russia effectively controls the region. China's previous stance was neither to acknowledge nor deny this, but to call for negotiations between the two sides. However, if Japan continues to escalate the issue between China and Japan, even if China recognizes Russia's claim to the region, it would not violate any international rules. Realistically, based on the strategic issues between China and Russia, China will not publicly acknowledge the ownership of the region, but de facto exchanges are possible.

The same issue exists regarding Japan's claim to the Ryukyu Islands. According to current international rules and relevant legal documents, Japan has no sovereignty over the Ryukyu Islands.

The Potsdam Declaration is a legal document signed by all parties, including Japan, at the end of World War II. It explicitly states that Japanese sovereignty is limited to Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, and Shikoku, as well as other minor islands specified in the declaration. The scope of Japanese sovereignty mentioned in the declaration does not include the Northern Territories (Kuril Islands) or the Ryukyu Islands.

This is entirely different from Russia's occupation of Ukrainian territory. Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, and other regions, legally and according to international rules, belong entirely to Ukraine. The Chinese government has never recognized Russia's occupation of these regions.
Look, we Vietnam have cooperation, also thousands years of conflicts, confrontations with China. However we never damage our relationship to China beyond repair. I wonder why you Chinese have a different view.
No offense, plz spare me of justice rhetoric and international laws. That’s primitive propaganda. China claims the southern sea as her without justification. Why? I thought you honor justice and laws?
The world today is like 1,000 years. Only the fittest survive.
Trump says friends and allies kissing his azz.
Putin starting wars.
Takaichi wants Japan first? Ok she can.
I can only say what the Vietnanese think of. Nobody cares.
 
Look, we Vietnam have cooperation, also thousands years of conflicts, confrontations with China. However we never damage our relationship to China beyond repair. I wonder why you Chinese have a different view.
No offense, plz spare me of justice rhetoric and international laws. That’s primitive propaganda. China claims the southern sea as her without justification. Why? I thought you honor justice and laws?
The world today is like 1,000 years. Only the fittest survive.
Trump says friends and allies kissing his azz.
Putin starting wars.
Takaichi wants Japan first? Ok she can.
I can only say what the Vietnanese think of. Nobody cares.
Okay.

If you want to return to the law of the jungle, then let's discuss it based on that law.

In the traditional understanding within the Chinese cultural sphere, the so-called justification for action is primarily for one's own people, not the opponent. We need to convince our own people first.

Japan launched the Marco Polo Bridge Incident against China. Their pretext was that their soldiers were missing and they needed to search for them in the city. This is the "justification for action" that the Japanese learned from China. Based on the military strength of both sides at the time, this was actually unnecessary. They could have launched an attack directly without any reason. But they still chose to find a "justification" for their aggression, even if it was false.

Similarly, if China were to retaliate against Japan now, we also need a "justification" for action. The stronger this reason, the greater the support from the Chinese people. If the reason is insufficient, many Chinese people may not support the Chinese government's actions. This would cause huge controversy within China.

Similarly, if the Chinese government were to launch a full-scale invasion of Vietnam now, it would encounter enormous resistance from within China. The answer is simple: it lacks sufficient "justification." And this strong internal resistance will lead to many fatal problems. This resistance will infiltrate even the military. Soldiers fighting on the front lines might question their commanders, "What are we fighting for?" This severely impacts the army's combat effectiveness, potentially leading to defeat.

But now, the Japanese Prime Minister has proactively offered us "legitimacy for action."

The Japanese political establishment is well aware of this logic. They are also fully aware of the consequences. Previously, everyone in Japanese politics was extremely cautious about the Taiwan issue. They knew this would provide China with "legitimacy for action." Even the United States fully understands this. Both American and Japanese politicians know deep down that engaging in military action against China in this region is utterly hopeless, and the Taiwan issue would trigger a red line for Chinese military action.
Many former Japanese prime ministers, including Shigeru Ishiba, have now publicly criticized Sanae Takaichi's remarks. Even the usually outspoken Trump has remained silent.

The issue between China and Vietnam in the South China Sea is irrelevant to this topic. You don't need to force a connection.

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The same logic applies to Chinese evaluations of wars in other regions.

The Russia-Ukraine War.
Before the war, Russia and China had better relations, and Ukraine, instigated by the United States, had many problems with China.
The war began. It was clearly Russia that invaded Ukraine. Even based on the relationships between various parties and China, a large number of Chinese people still supported Ukraine and opposed Russia. This is because Russia lacked "justifiable action."

The Palestinian-Israel War in Gaza.
Chinese people are aware of the atrocities committed by Israelis against Palestinians. However, in this recent war, Hamas was indeed the first to initiate attacks on Israeli civilians within Israeli territory. Even though we sympathize with the Palestinians, we do not condone Hamas's acts of terrorism. Therefore, on Chinese social media, there are many voices criticizing Israel, but equally many criticizing Hamas. This is also because Hamas lacks "justifiable action."
 
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Okay.

If you want to return to the law of the jungle, then let's discuss it based on that law.

In the traditional understanding within the Chinese cultural sphere, the so-called justification for action is primarily for one's own people, not the opponent. We need to convince our own people first.

Japan launched the Marco Polo Bridge Incident against China. Their pretext was that their soldiers were missing and they needed to search for them in the city. This is the "justification for action" that the Japanese learned from China. Based on the military strength of both sides at the time, this was actually unnecessary. They could have launched an attack directly without any reason. But they still chose to find a "justification" for their aggression, even if it was false.

Similarly, if China were to retaliate against Japan now, we also need a "justification" for action. The stronger this reason, the greater the support from the Chinese people. If the reason is insufficient, many Chinese people may not support the Chinese government's actions. This would cause huge controversy within China.

Similarly, if the Chinese government were to launch a full-scale invasion of Vietnam now, it would encounter enormous resistance from within China. The answer is simple: it lacks sufficient "justification." And this strong internal resistance will lead to many fatal problems. This resistance will infiltrate even the military. Soldiers fighting on the front lines might question their commanders, "What are we fighting for?" This severely impacts the army's combat effectiveness, potentially leading to defeat.

But now, the Japanese Prime Minister has proactively offered us "legitimacy for action."

The Japanese political establishment is well aware of this logic. They are also fully aware of the consequences. Previously, everyone in Japanese politics was extremely cautious about the Taiwan issue. They knew this would provide China with "legitimacy for action." Even the United States fully understands this. Both American and Japanese politicians know deep down that engaging in military action against China in this region is utterly hopeless, and the Taiwan issue would trigger a red line for Chinese military action.
Many former Japanese prime ministers, including Shigeru Ishiba, have now publicly criticized Sanae Takaichi's remarks. Even the usually outspoken Trump has remained silent.

The issue between China and Vietnam in the South China Sea is irrelevant to this topic. You don't need to force a connection.

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The same logic applies to Chinese evaluations of wars in other regions.

The Russia-Ukraine War.
Before the war, Russia and China had better relations, and Ukraine, instigated by the United States, had many problems with China.
The war began. It was clearly Russia that invaded Ukraine. Even based on the relationships between various parties and China, a large number of Chinese people still supported Ukraine and opposed Russia. This is because Russia lacked "justifiable action."

The Palestinian-Israel War in Gaza.
Chinese people are aware of the atrocities committed by Israelis against Palestinians. However, in this recent war, Hamas was indeed the first to initiate attacks on Israeli civilians within Israeli territory. Even though we sympathize with the Palestinians, we do not condone Hamas's acts of terrorism. Therefore, on Chinese social media, there are many voices criticizing Israel, but equally many criticizing Hamas. This is also because Hamas lacks "justifiable action."
There is a problem with justification for action. The US cited the “Tonkin incident” to launch the full scale war against Vietnam. What’s the difference to Japan’s “Marco bridge incident”? None. The lesson: you can fake it.
 
If your banana republic can build nukes, you assume Japanese cannot

Pakistan is not a banana republic. Your country India is a banana republic.

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Stop cheerleading for Japan, Indian fool.

I have reported you.
 
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On November 16, in a related report on China CCTV's "News Broadcast," Yu Yuan Tan Tian commented that "China is prepared for substantial countermeasures against Japan," and sarcastically remarked, "Don't live in a dream of arrogance and self-importance; take a piss and look at your own weight," mocking Japan's "no zuo no die" attitude.



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玉渊谭天:日方某些人,别活在狂妄自大的梦里!还是撒泡尿照照自己几斤几两吧。中国和日本都有类似的俗语:“不作不死”。有些事,是不能作的!
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Yu Yuan Tan Tian: Some people in Japan, stop living in your arrogant dreams! Go take a good look at yourselves and see how much you're really capable of. Both China and Japan have similar sayings: "No zuo no die" (meaning you'll get what's coming to you if you don't do stupid things). Some things are simply not worth doing!
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Taiwan is a product of an unfinished civil war. It is still sovereign till the day China fully retakes it.

The matter fully depends on how much the Taiwanese are willing to fight for their nation and how much the Chinese are willing to lose in the offensive. The probability of the Americans and Japanese getting directly involved in the war is slim but not 0%. What they will do initially is supply Taiwan with arms. Even as of now Taiwan is armed with thousands of missiles made especially to thwart beach head attacks. An actual battle will be a bloodshed there.

Ukraine war is a slogfest. Hundreds of men die each day for a couple of sq km of land. Russian offensive is almost grinded to a halt.

Also do you know that a weakened Russia is preferable to China? Russian tsars took a lot of lands from ancient China.
Taiwan has never been a country; it is inherent territory of China. The basis for China establishing diplomatic relations with other countries is the recognition of one China and respect for China's territorial integrity. The return of Taiwan is inevitable; this is China's internal affair.
 
Interestingly, the judge in the court of "trial of Japanese war criminals" was an Indian. Who made many justments that are favorable to Japanese war criminals. Which offers room for right wing Japanese to deny Japanese crimes and responsibilities in the world war 2.
Yeah I've read about the Tokyo Trials. I only have a superficial understanding about this case though. Will read up on this when I get time.

I've read more deeply on the Nuremberg Trials and the opinion of different judges in that case.
Not many people know this. Indian nationalists and Japanese expansionists were allies during world war 2
Yes, the Indian National Army under Bose was even supported by the Japanese directly. History would've went very differently if the INA aided by the Japanese would've managed to repel the British from India.

Hitler was not so keen when Bose approached him but the Japanese sent men and arms to help, the initial offensive went very well but the Japanese had to pull out due to other engagements on other fronts.
 
There is a problem with justification for action. The US cited the “Tonkin incident” to launch the full scale war against Vietnam. What’s the difference to Japan’s “Marco bridge incident”? None. The lesson: you can fake it.
War is the most intense form of conflict between nations. It is also the most costly act of humankind, requiring immense resources—funds, materials, weapons, food, and other essential elements—from a powerful nation.

Weak nations rely primarily on external support (from friendly nations). Powerful nations, however, depend on their own people. Therefore, the prerequisite is the "justification" of the war. At the very least, the people must believe that "the war waged by their military is a just act." Otherwise, the military will face strong public criticism. When this criticism accumulates, it can escalate into protests, even leading to the overthrow of the current government to end military action.

During World War II, the United States did not want a direct confrontation with Japan. However, after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, the US declared war. At this time, because Japan provided the best justification for the US's actions, the US government's declaration of war received strong support from the American people. Therefore, even though the Pacific War was extremely brutal, the American people still supported it without hesitation.

However, the US's wars after World War II lacked "justification," or rather, the justification was insufficient. The Vietnam War, the Afghanistan War... the US military was ultimately forced to withdraw and end the wars on its own initiative. And those American soldiers who participated in the wars did not receive the welcoming ceremonies that Americans typically give to soldiers who fought in World War II.

Even the most powerful army will eventually fail if it loses the support of its people, even when facing an extremely weak opponent.
 
Interestingly, the judge in the court of "trial of Japanese war criminals" was an Indian. Who made many justments that are favorable to Japanese war criminals. Which offers room for right wing Japanese to deny Japanese crimes and responsibilities in the world war 2.

Not many people know this. Indian nationalists and Japanese expansionists were allies during world war 2

No wonder the Japanese like to suck the Indians dry and vice versa.

There was a Japanese professor at our university. He advises the UN and writes articles for them on various subjects. He specialises in ASEAN etc. I told him about CPEC, but he wasn't aware. The next day he told me it was a tinderbox and also against Japanese interests. I looked at him and asked him why CPEC was against Japanese interests. He told me bluntly, what is against India's interests is against Japanese interests. Obviously there is much more at play because Japan opposes any project that China initiates abroad in foreign countries.
 
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China with quarter of world population needs quarter of world's landmass.....it shall declare her own version of Labensraum and start world war 3.
 

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