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There is an ongoing rumor on twitter that face of corruption Ali Larijani is advocating for FC-1/JF-17 as light fighter but Vahedi (IRIAF chief) is asking for J-10CE and rightly so. Russia and China used to have monopoly over both fighters because of Russian Turbofans but right now the latest blocks are 100% Chinese so chances are better compared to anything from Russia. Russia has backed out of Arms supply to Iran atleast three times while Chinese did it once.

Rumored acquisitions

60 SU-35S (48) + SU-30SM2 (12) (Journalistic claim/Published article)
60? J-10CE (OSINT claim)
24 MIG-29SMT (Journalistic claim/Published article)
Addition MIG-29 (Government official claim)
30 x SU-24MK2 (Journalistic claim/Published article)
36 x YAK-130 E/M? (Published source)

Uncertain future
60-70 x Kowsar Advanced Trainer/CAS/Light CAP (Domestic production, Halted assembly lines)

Retiring Airframes
40 F-14A/AM
64 F-4E/D
44 F-7N
23 Mirage F1E/Q
10/40 SU-22M3/M4

If this comes true for IRIAF, while IRGCASF is already digging new missile cities, test firing new SLVs/Missiles and IRIADF is getting new Khordads SAMS ... we can safely say the increased budget is showing its effects.
The only possibility is a few Su-35s, but definitely not as many as 60.
Since 2022, there have been constant rumors that Iran would purchase Su-35s, but to this day, not a single Su-35 has entered service with the Iranian Air Force.
 
Good post. Highest amount of civilian damage in Israel came from later strikes of IRGCASF even though wave size were smaller. Lets not forget Israelis were running from from cities at that point.

IMO IRGCASF wasted missiles on military targets during initial days. They moved to eye for an eye doctrine very quickly, Strikes on Bazan Oil field after South pars, or destruction of Weizman institute+Gav Tech Park after SNDP target came within few hours. Israelis started attacking civilians in cities in frustration so IRGCASF moved to same philosophy. This should have been the SOP from beginning. But anyhow, they performed brilliantly, not deterred for a second, kept on penetrating US+Israeli layers of ABM/AD shields.
In fact, no. During the 12-Day War, Iran inflicted virtually no substantial damage on Israel. It failed to cripple Israeli airports or suppress Israeli air defenses; Iran merely conducted indiscriminate firing at towns and cities.
Most of the missiles launched by Iran during the June 12th war were successfully intercepted by Israel and the United States.
This is because,After numerous missile sites were attacked and high-ranking military officials were assassinated, Iran did not launch a large-scale missile salvo.
After all, the effects of launching 40 missiles in five separate launches are incomparable to launching 200 missiles in one launch.
 
Stop discussing the J-10CE/JF-17B3 in this thread; the Iranians have no interest in these aircraft. Especially not in front of Mr. Emirzad, who believes the Yak-130 is the most suitable fighter jet for the Iranian Air Force.

You probably have weak memory or low intellect overall because I have never said even once that YAK-130 is best "fighter" for IRIAF otherwise feel free to provide proof. Also apparently you have no shame because our civilians died because we did not have light CAP/ATs to stop ALCMs and SOWs fired upon cities from Iraqi airspace for which I advocate Locally built F-5s or YAK-130M Advanced trainers. It must be a joke for you but its not for us. Please stop trolling in our section.
 
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The only possibility is a few Su-35s, but definitely not as many as 60.
Since 2022, there have been constant rumors that Iran would purchase Su-35s, but to this day, not a single Su-35 has entered service with the Iranian Air Force.

Time will tell, but I do think that both Iran and Russia have reached the point where they both understand that Iran needs those Su35s urgently, and that in large numbers. I would expect Iran to move to a fleet of Su35/Su57Es that may approach the size of the Sukhoi fleet that India has given Iran's needs.

Iran has helped Russia a lot in its war, and Iran is one of the few allies that Russia has and it cant afford to see it overthrown and replaced by some American pretender.

Algeria is planning on procuring 104 across Su30/35/57Es alone : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Air_Force

It is for this reason, I personally expect the deliveries will take place.
 
The only possibility is a few Su-35s, but definitely not as many as 60.
Since 2022, there have been constant rumors that Iran would purchase Su-35s, but to this day, not a single Su-35 has entered service with the Iranian Air Force.

You do realize Russia is fighting an elongated war against NATO so their production facilities will be constrained and dedicated to their own needs instead of supplying 4.5 generation planes to another country?

In fact, no. During the 12-Day War, Iran inflicted virtually no substantial damage on Israel. It failed to cripple Israeli airports or suppress Israeli air defenses; Iran merely conducted indiscriminate firing at towns and cities.
Most of the missiles launched by Iran during the June 12th war were successfully intercepted by Israel and the United States.
This is because,After numerous missile sites were attacked and high-ranking military officials were assassinated, Iran did not launch a large-scale missile salvo.
After all, the effects of launching 40 missiles in five separate launches are incomparable to launching 200 missiles in one launch.

Uninformed crap based on Israeli MSM propaganda. You probably have ZERO understanding of concepts of war but try to get this in your head that side on whom war is imposed upon, if shows deterrence to the point that they keep striking back in heart of enemy and forces ceasefire upon far superior enemy that started the war, is the winner of the conflict. I will explain why:

- IRGCASF despite loosing commanders in assassination reestablished CoC within few hours and started pounding Israel right away. Israeli plan was quick shock and awe campaign where they assassinate commanders in a quick manner so that force cripples downwards but instead CoC got re-established and Israeli cities saw fire they never seen before.

- IRGCASF not only re-established the CoC, they were disciplined and composed enough to follow actual war plan. Israel hit Fajr Oil facility with ALBMs, within few hours Bazan oil field was gone in Israel, Israel never touched Iranian oil industry again. Israel attacked SPND nuclear command of Iran HQ, within few hours Israels most prestigious military R&D Wiezmann institute and Gav Yam Tech Park were destroyed. Israel never touched Iranian strategic buildings again. If your argue that why Iran did not strike Israeli Airports then what stopped Israel from doing same in Iran? they could have destroyed SPND periphery HQs, Airports, Massive Oil infrastructure, Nuclear plant domes? They have worlds best ALBM arsenal tech wise ... What stopped them ?its because IRGCASF established deterence of "An eye for an eye" which was respected by Israel. The same Israel which would carry out genocides of Arabs, assasinate any nationality polticians/military officers, sinks US ships upon will, gets 40 Billion USD every year for fun, they can summon F-35s, F-15, THAAD at their doorstep in days .... that Israel was forces to respect Iran, the sanctioned for decades theocracy.

- The force itself showed technological supremacy. You see, when IRGCASF fires salvos of missiles, USN in Persian gulf and in Radars in Iraq, Sats above pick them up as early as they are on loose. This Search n Track data is transfered to layered Israeli Air Defence in Real time to prepare for intercept. Jews do not even need to search for Iranian missiles or track them because US is already doing that for them. Israel has three layers of ABM network, inculding ultra high tech THAAD, Iron Dome etc yet IRGCASF penetrated through these layers with Fattah hypersonic, Kheybar Shikan skip glide MaRV, Ghadr-F exo+endo atmospheric MaRV and Sejjil-II IRBM. The most sophisticated type of IRBM we have K-4 PBV was not even used during the conflict.

- Result, Israeli aura of invincibility is gone forever, KSA, Turkey, Egypt all saw what can be done to Israel to cripple it, Israeli airspace was breached throughout 12 days, their citizens were horrified to the point that they started running away to Europe. Their AD interceptor numbers were nearing the end and US had to supply replenishments .... Offcourse they hid damage and deaths considering the level of damage we saw on camera otherwise why would their government issue a strict police enfored gag order on footages of damage ? IRGCASF did this to them. And what did they even achieve ? HEU is still inside Iran, same government is still ruling Iran, the military is emboldened, more funded (thrice actually), procuring and building weapons (IRIAF, IRIADF, IRIN, IRGCASF all getting new equipment), IRI is selling highest amount of oil in past decade so what did Israel actually achieve instead of getting its invincibility doctrine exposed badly ? I for one have always been a strong opponent of hostility with Israel because Iran has no stake in Israel-Arab conflict but this entire war was a massive strategic failure for Israel, much more than it was for Iran.
 
As of now, the J10CE is the best performer out of the J10CE/JF17 pairing. The upside is capability now on a larger more capable airframe with better persistence and payload capabilities. The downside of the J10CE is that it is unlikely see a mid-life upgrade, as China's attention is moving towards the J-36/J-35/J-50 platforms and J10CE is on reduced manufacturing line even now. The Chinese are moving very fast and I suspect the J10CE will be left behind? So, while the J10CE will be fully supported by China until the end of its lifespan, the probability of a J10DE and an upgrade path for existing J10CEs to a new standard won't be there unless a customer pays for the R&D and design of a new variant. That tends to be the Chinese approach on exports, I could be wrong but I have seen enough to know they approach things very differently. The Chinese members such as @Michael or @Deino can opine on the future roadmap for the J10 platform.

The JF17 is the backbone of the PAF and it will see continuous upgrades and enhancements over its lifespan by the PAF through new weapons additions. There maybe opportunity for Iran to contribute via China to this as well via the FC-1 variant which would the variant on offer.

As long as Iran buys either one of the two platforms from China to increase procurement bandwidth and therefore the size of the Iranian air force as quickly as possible then that is good, as the Russians are constrained on delivery capacity right now.

Large number of MLUed + Upgraded MIG-29M/M2/SMT/35 >>> all other options in our circumstances. No training, no new infrastructure needed. Can be flown into Iran by Iranian pilots. Fits perfectly with SU-35S as support fighter. Our aviation planners are fools of another degree to not seek additional Fulcrums.
 
There is an ongoing rumor on twitter that face of corruption Ali Larijani is advocating for FC-1/JF-17 as light fighter but Vahedi (IRIAF chief) is asking for J-10CE and rightly so. Russia and China used to have monopoly over both fighters because of Russian Turbofans but right now the latest blocks are 100% Chinese so chances are better compared to anything from Russia. Russia has backed out of Arms supply to Iran atleast three times while Chinese did it once.

Rumored acquisitions

60 SU-35S (48) + SU-30SM2 (12) (Journalistic claim/Published article)
60? J-10CE (OSINT claim)
24 MIG-29SMT (Journalistic claim/Published article)
Addition MIG-29 (Government official claim)
30 x SU-24MK2 (Journalistic claim/Published article)
36 x YAK-130 E/M? (Published source)

Uncertain future
60-70 x Kowsar Advanced Trainer/CAS/Light CAP (Domestic production, Halted assembly lines)

Retiring Airframes
40 F-14A/AM
64 F-4E/D
44 F-7N
23 Mirage F1E/Q
10/40 SU-22M3/M4

If this comes true for IRIAF, while IRGCASF is already digging new missile cities, test firing new SLVs/Missiles and IRIADF is getting new Khordads SAMS ... we can safely say the increased budget is showing its effects.
At this point I don't even care about corruption. the whole government is corrupt, even under the Shah.....let them be....I just went them to be competent.
 
In fact, no. During the 12-Day War, Iran inflicted virtually no substantial damage on Israel. It failed to cripple Israeli airports or suppress Israeli air defenses; Iran merely conducted indiscriminate firing at towns and cities.
Most of the missiles launched by Iran during the June 12th war were successfully intercepted by Israel and the United States.
This is because,After numerous missile sites were attacked and high-ranking military officials were assassinated, Iran did not launch a large-scale missile salvo.
After all, the effects of launching 40 missiles in five separate launches are incomparable to launching 200 missiles in one launch.
Bullshit......Israel propaganda. You need to read the article about how the generals wanted a ceasefire after the 4th day due to the damages being inflicted.
 
At this point I don't even care about corruption. the whole government is corrupt, even under the Shah.....let them be....I just went them to be competent.

Shah was atleast nationalist to extremes even if corrupt. Islamo-Marxist government is corrupt and anti-nationalism.
 
Bullshit......Israel propaganda. You need the article about how the generals wanted a ceasefire after the 4th day due to the damages being inflicted.
I agree the poster is spewing Israeli propaganda, maybe un-intentionally. Iranian penetration of the Israeli AD was a huge psychological blow and for the first time since 1948, war was actually brought to the Israeli streets rather than something they saw on their TV screens. Its why the Israelis stopped.

However do you have a link to this article about Israeli generals seeking a ceasefire after a few days ?
 
In fact, no. During the 12-Day War, Iran inflicted virtually no substantial damage on Israel. It failed to cripple Israeli airports or suppress Israeli air defenses; Iran merely conducted indiscriminate firing at towns and cities.
Most of the missiles launched by Iran during the June 12th war were successfully intercepted by Israel and the United States.
This is because,After numerous missile sites were attacked and high-ranking military officials were assassinated, Iran did not launch a large-scale missile salvo.
After all, the effects of launching 40 missiles in five separate launches are incomparable to launching 200 missiles in one launch.
So why to stop?. If all or nearly all of the iranian missiles were intercepted and those that surpassed did not hit properly their targets, why to stop?. Why to censore the places Iran hit by their missiles?. Why to let them to build round the clock again hundreds if not a thousand of new missiles?.

Why US tries to invade Venezuela instead of Iran where there are more gas and rare earths and by the way help securing Israel?.
 
Uninformed crap based on Israeli MSM propaganda. You probably have ZERO understanding of concepts of war but try to get this in your head that side on whom war is imposed upon, if shows deterrence to the point that they keep striking back in heart of enemy and forces ceasefire upon far superior enemy that started the war, is the winner of the conflict. I will explain why
Did Iran achieve its deterrent objective? No. Until the ceasefire, the Israeli Air Force continued to operate freely over Tehran, and Iran did not inflict any effective damage on the Israeli Air Force and air defense forces. The only clear video evidence is that an Iron Dome missile site was hit by Iran.
 
Did Iran achieve its deterrent objective? No. Until the ceasefire, the Israeli Air Force continued to operate freely over Tehran, and Iran did not inflict any effective damage on the Israeli Air Force and air defense forces. The only clear video evidence is that an Iron Dome missile site was hit by Iran.
Did Israel achieve its objective of total domination of Iran and surrender? No. Until and after the ceasefire, the IRGCAF continued to operate freely over Tel Aviv and all of Israel with deadly and devastating force that Israel never witnessed before in its history, and Israel did not inflict any critical damage on the IRGCAF forces retaliation capabilities and only left some western bases temporarily blocked, which are now fully operational. The only clear evidence of IRGCAF being critically hurt doesn't exist, all the missiles are still here, the government is still there, the nuclear capabilities are still there, the uranium is still there, Khamenei is still there, air defenses are rebuilding.
 
- IRGCASF not only re-established the CoC, they were disciplined and composed enough to follow actual war plan. Israel hit Fajr Oil facility with ALBMs, within few hours Bazan oil field was gone in Israel, Israel never touched Iranian oil industry again. Israel attacked SPND nuclear command of Iran HQ, within few hours Israels most prestigious military R&D Wiezmann institute and Gav Yam Tech Park were destroyed. Israel never touched Iranian strategic buildings again. If your argue that why Iran did not strike Israeli Airports then what stopped Israel from doing same in Iran? they could have destroyed SPND periphery HQs, Airports, Massive Oil infrastructure, Nuclear plant domes? They have worlds best ALBM arsenal tech wise ... What stopped them ?its because IRGCASF established deterence of "An eye for an eye" which was respected by Israel. The same Israel which would carry out genocides of Arabs, assasinate any nationality polticians/military officers, sinks US ships upon will, gets 40 Billion USD every year for fun, they can summon F-35s, F-15, THAAD at their doorstep in days .... that Israel was forces to respect Iran, the sanctioned for decades theocracy
After Soleimani's death, the Revolutionary Guard's power began to decline. Judging from the video, the oil field destroyed by Iran only destroyed a few oil tankers. As for the research facilities, I don't know why Iran attacked them; these played no role in this war.
Israel continued to attack missile production facilities and underground missile sites on the outskirts of Tehran just before the ceasefire was nearing.
Israel has also released photos and videos of destroying F-14 and Boeing 747 tanker aircraft parked at airports, proving that they have attacked Iranian airports.
 
- The force itself showed technological supremacy. You see, when IRGCASF fires salvos of missiles, USN in Persian gulf and in Radars in Iraq, Sats above pick them up as early as they are on loose. This Search n Track data is transfered to layered Israeli Air Defence in Real time to prepare for intercept. Jews do not even need to search for Iranian missiles or track them because US is already doing that for them. Israel has three layers of ABM network, inculding ultra high tech THAAD, Iron Dome etc yet IRGCASF penetrated through these layers with Fattah hypersonic, Kheybar Shikan skip glide MaRV, Ghadr-F exo+endo atmospheric MaRV and Sejjil-II IRBM. The most sophisticated type of IRBM we have K-4 PBV was not even used during the conflict.
Of course, air defense does not mean 100% interception, but rather reducing it to an acceptable range. In my view, the most important task of Iranian missiles is to suppress Iranian air bases and air defense systems. This is Iran's only means of offsetting Israel's absolute air superiority, but the Revolutionary Guard failed to accomplish this mission.
 

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