PAF F-16 | Discussions

[Aziqbal]

Money down the drain

Cutting that F16 order back after the 2006 earthquake was the best idea

We have block 3 and J10CP

And J35

 

[Khanivore]

Here are my "THOUGHTS"...

A simple "F-16+Pakistan" search on Google & in the past 24hrs brings this

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And after the gangus have peddled this FAKE NEWS, the BIGGEST Defence Idiot of Gangustan comes out with this this...

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Yeah it seems this following trashy site was first to put out this bullsh*t:

Trump administration notifies $686 million F-16 upgrade for Pakistan

The Trump administration has notified Congress of a proposed $686 million sale to upgrade Pakistan’s F-16 fighter aircraft. The deal is expected to face scrutiny from lawmakers and close attention..

www.ap7am.com

Followed by this:

Trump administration notifies USD 686 million F-16 upgrade for Pakistan; deal enters 30-day review - The Statesman

US notifies a USD 686 million F-16 upgrade package for Pakistan; Congress begins review. Deal includes Link-16 systems and avionics updates.

www.thestatesman.com

The rest followed.

 

[Khanivore]

Money down the drain

Cutting that F16 order back after the 2006 earthquake was the best idea

We have block 3 and J10CP

And J35

It's fake news.

 

[AeronautIR]

PAF F-16s can be divided in categories.

AM/BM
C/D
and ADF version.

Bringing ADF version on par with C/D or further upgraded could be a challenge.

It is not feasible to upgrade ADF to MLU AM/BM or MLU to blk 52... we can only hope for blk 52 upgrade to 70 standard and maybe some more Vipers with US approval.

 

[AeronautIR]

It looks like the L3Harris “Viper Shield” EW upgrade has been cleared for export, per reports from the Dubai air show. Considering the F-16s use may become more limited in the PAF, priming the fleet for the A2G role and employing the latest EW and PGMs against the enemy SAM and C4ISR networks maybe the way to go to maximize the use of the fleet.

What about this one? Is it available for export? https://www.northropgrumman.com/wha...tegrated-viper-electronic-warfare-suite-ivews

 

[AeronautIR]

This bit is interesting :



I had though that PAF already has this for the Erieye and F16s to communicate natively ?

Nope, Link-16 is not integrated with any other PAF assets... you need a 3rd asset or channel to share data.

 

[AeronautIR]

Seems like just a sustainment package to keep the fleet modern, no major upgrade. The 92 Link 16 systems are very interesting though. We do not have that many aircraft

We have 75 aircraft and with some spares, 92 makes sense.

 

[AeronautIR]

didnt they remove us from the AMRAAM contract

Did they? Saw the news about Pakistan being included in FMS list. Any update?

 

[AeronautIR]

welcome sir
@Oscar sir can you care to explain it?

No, it is blk 15.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Did they? Saw the news about Pakistan being included in FMS list. Any update?

yes they removed us and apologized , it was jus just an maintenance to our existence AMRAAMS

 

[AeronautIR]

so no C8 and D3 for pakistan? that also means no F-16 upgrades? but that ensures we are going to keep existing F-16 for next atleast 5-10 years that is why c5 sustainment support deal is done?

It doesn't say that. Am I missing something?

 

[AeronautIR]

yes they removed us and apologized , it was jus just an maintenance to our existence AMRAMMAS

That is news to me. So AIM-120D and V-kits still in limbo. A lot of room for speculation once again.

 

[hasssanali8998]

That is news to me. So AIM-120D and V-kits still in limbo. A lot of room for speculation once again.

On 10 October, the United States Department of War (DoW) / Department of Defense (DoD) clarified that an earlier adjustment to an existing contract for the production and sustainment of AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) did not include the sale of new missiles to Pakistan. Rather, the adjustment was for the sustainment of the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) existing AIM-120C5 stocks.

Earlier, on 30 September, the United States Department of War (DoW)/Department of Defense (DoD) had apparently added Pakistan to a list of buyers for the Raytheon (RTX) AIM-120C8/D3 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM).

Pakistan’s inclusion came through a $41.68 million adjustment (P00026) to a previously awarded contract (FA8675-23-C-0037) now worth $2.51 billion for AIM-120C8/D to recent NATO and non-NATO customers of the missile.

quwa article

 

[Ali_Baba]

On 10 October, the United States Department of War (DoW) / Department of Defense (DoD) clarified that an earlier adjustment to an existing contract for the production and sustainment of AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) did not include the sale of new missiles to Pakistan. Rather, the adjustment was for the sustainment of the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) existing AIM-120C5 stocks.

Earlier, on 30 September, the United States Department of War (DoW)/Department of Defense (DoD) had apparently added Pakistan to a list of buyers for the Raytheon (RTX) AIM-120C8/D3 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM).

Pakistan’s inclusion came through a $41.68 million adjustment (P00026) to a previously awarded contract (FA8675-23-C-0037) now worth $2.51 billion for AIM-120C8/D to recent NATO and non-NATO customers of the missile.

quwa article

This is why Pakistan will not purchase any new platform from the USA, or upgrade its F16s to Block 70 which in itself will cost an obscene amount of money to do so. Even the most simple of sales is toxic for the USA to do like the C8/D3 so what chance new procurements types can be done successfully ? None. As I have said, the era of USA purchases by Pakistan is over.

 

[hasssanali8998]

is toxic for the USA to do like the C8/D3 so what chance new procurements types can be done successfully ?

us embassy in India had to apologies for this mistake . India is their main friend now just like we were in 1980 .