Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

eIsQengiz said:
Prime Minister Shia al-Sudani, like previous U.S.-backed regimes such as Nouri al-Maliki’s, came to power with American support. Are we really meant to believe that these same figures long seen as U.S. tools will now expel the United States?

During the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Al-Sistani, one of the most influential Shia clerics in the world, urged his followers to cooperate with coalition forces. Shia factions, backed by Iran, like Northern alliance helping US in the killing of Muslims. It is crystal clear that Iran was the biggest beneficiary of the U.S. invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Tehran gained more than anyone from the destruction of Saddam and the Taliban. Iran cannot help install a system under U.S. protection, profit from it for two decades, and then claim to be expelling that same power through the very system it benefited from. That is not resistance at all but a marriage of convenience.View attachment 166140
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Still Iraq is trying to oust them...unlike Sunni Arab and turk countries that support Israel.


Taliban were/are cavemen terrorists who killed personnel of Iranian embassy and now kill Pakistani soldiers. Saddam was a CIA and GCC puppet and got removed by same cia and gcc, not by Iran.
 
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Kyussis said:
Who is that supposed to be?
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Referring to some Shia leaders in Iraq collaborating with occupying forces. That plus Iran trying to influence in Iraq which provided the likes of ISIS with a "justification" to attack. Just the same old played out propaganda trying to justify violent tyrants.
 

Israel launches new raids in Syria’s Quneitra, establishes checkpoints​


Israeli forces have advanced into the Quneitra area of Syria’s occupied Golan Heights and set up two military checkpoints, an Al Jazeera correspondent on the ground reports.

The Israeli military operation on Saturday took place in the villages of Ain Ziwan and al-Ajraf in the southern part of the country.

Syrian state television said the Israeli incursion was a violation of Syrian sovereignty, noting that the army used five military vehicles to set up the checkpoint in Ain Ziwan.

The latest raid comes one day after Israeli forces advanced towards the towns of al-Asha, Bir Ajam, Bariqa, Umm al-Azam and Ruwayhina in the southern Quneitra countryside, according to the Syrian News Agency (SANA).

Dozens of Syrians on Friday protested the Israeli incursion in the city of al-Salam in the Quneitra Governorate, condemning the ongoing Israeli attacks against citizens and their properties.

The demonstrators, part of a group called “Syrians with Palestine”, held banners denouncing what they stated were repeated Israeli violations of Syrian lands.
 
shapurzolaktaf said:
Then it simply means that Turkey supports western-zionist regional aggression by hosting NATO. It means that Turkey is not an independent power.
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I mean you can believe whatever you want. As of right now, its not in Turkish interests to break off. Many Zionists have been demanding that the US close the base there and leave the base and kick Turkey out of NATO.

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Given the sharp deterioration in U.S.-Turkish relations, the United States should withdraw its nuclear weapons from Incirlik.
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That base is a cold war relic and largely been useless to the United States outside of its potential use against Russia. Turkey refused to allow the base to be used during the invasion of Iraq, and refused to allow it to be used against Iran, and only temporarily allowed it to be used when the US was using it to provide CAS against ISIS several years back. Outside of that, that base is or less a base for nuclear weapons that just sit there until there is a war with Russia, and for providing logistics for refueling of aircraft on their way to Germany or on their way to Doha. US Middle Eastern operations don't use Incerlik, they use the bases in the gulf states.

Turkey's membership in NATO allows for it to access tech transfer, much of which helped build the Turkish defense industry from the F-16 production lines, to the license production of F110 engines etc etc. As of right now, Turkey is still reliant on engines and a few other things from NATO suppliers, so it makes no strategic sense to fracture or walk away from the relationship as of yet. Turkey's enemies in Israel and Greece would prefer for there to not be a base in Turkey and for Turkey to not be part of NATO.

Turkey's NATO membership is like a Bus, you ride the bus, and then when you get to your stop, you get off.
 
SpadeOfAces said:
Erdogan has been a disappointment more often than not.
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Disappointment how? What were your reasonable expectations?

shapurzolaktaf said:
Then it simply means that Turkey supports western-zionist regional aggression by hosting NATO.
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Turkey has not supported any aggression nor facilitated it. this is false, there is ample evidence showing the contrary, whether Turkey refusing to allow Turkey to be used to invade Iraq or Turkey refusing to allow base use for attacking Iran(something Iran thanked Turkish representatives for btw), US nor Israeli jets used Turkish airspace or bases to attack Iran, that would be the "Resistance" member Iraq which used US patriot batteries stationed there to shoot down Iranian missiles as well as used the airspace to launching standoff missiles and refueling..
 
hyperman said:
Disappointment how? What were your reasonable expectations?
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Walk as much as he talks. Erdogan manages to take support of the West more so he does speak out against them. Even Turks have more or less given up on him.
 
Israelis are not happy with the Sanctions removal on Syria, they lobbied but in a rare miracle were overpowered by the Qataris and Saudis. Trump's personal corruption with regards to Gulf money seems to be paying off somewhat. lol


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Turkish Defense Minister Yasar Guler:

📌The integration of SDF as a complete unit into the Syrian army is unacceptable, and they must inevitably integrate individually, and retreating from this issue is absolutely out of the question for us.

📌We have plans ready to confront any developments on the ground, and the SDF knows exactly what we will do when needed

📌Turkey is ready to support Syria in combating terrorism, and we do not ask for permission from anyone to carry out our operations against terrorism

📌Turkish forces destroyed 732 kilometers of tunnels dug by SDF in Tal Rifaat and Manbij, and we are following other digging activities in Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor.

📌We carried out our operations in 2016 in Syria in the presence of the United States and Russia without consulting anyone, and we completed our mission at that time. We will do what is necessary again if the need arises without referring to any party.
 
I congratulate the Syrian people on this historic day, in which years of patience and sacrifices have been crowned by the lifting of sanctions on Syria. By the will of the Syrians and the support of brothers and friends, the page of suffering has been turned, and the stage of rebuilding has begun. Hand in hand, we move forward toward a future worthy of our people and our homeland.

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I congratulate the Syrian people on this historic day, in which years of patience and sacrifices have been crowned by the lifting of sanctions on Syria. By the will of the Syrians and the support of brothers and friends, the page of suffering has been turned, and the stage of rebuilding has begun. Hand in hand, we move forward toward a future worthy of our people and our homeland.

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I’m just really hoping he has learned from his past mistakes becomes the next Mandela and not next Arab strongman time will tell
 
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