JF-17 PFX program

[maxpane]

pfx is pure illusion ab dhondty raho

 

[Ak01]

Too early to say but keeping the history of Sino Pak military cooperation in mind it could be possible.

Which part of sino pak collaboration has shown this?

@Oscar was it you who told the story of a local payload integration onto jf17 which caused systems to lock up!!? Yet here we have dreams about source codes lol

 

[kimjongun]

@Oscar was it you who told the story of a local payload integration onto jf17 which caused systems to lock up!!? Yet here we have dreams about source codes lol

Can you tell us again???
So did the jeff had a backhand???? then how is raad capable of flying with it??

 

[Corax]

Which part of sino pak collaboration has shown this?

@Oscar was it you who told the story of a local payload integration onto jf17 which caused systems to lock up!!? Yet here we have dreams about source codes lol

Wasn't that the cause of one of the crashes of a JF17? Some ordnance that was being tested but caused the aircraft to break structural limits?

 

[hasssanali8998]

Wasn't that the cause of one of the crashes of a JF17? Some ordnance that was being tested but caused the aircraft to break structural limits?

hope it wasn't the 14 nov 2011 crash , the one where pilot did not survive

 

[Corax]

hope it wasn't the 14 nov 2011 crash , the one where pilot did not survive

Yes, I think it was that one. Sadly the pilot of that crash was one of the pilots I met at Farnborough 2010 when the PAF came with the JF17.

 

[Oscar]

Which part of sino pak collaboration has shown this?

@Oscar was it you who told the story of a local payload integration onto jf17 which caused systems to lock up!!? Yet here we have dreams about source codes lol

Not payload integration - it was the MFDs.
They were going blank for some reason amid flight(similar issue on the MKI as well btw).

 

[Oscar]

hope it wasn't the 14 nov 2011 crash , the one where pilot did not survive

No, PAF pilots havent reached to that bad competency where they cannot fly without MFD and on their backup instruments.


That crash was apparently due to PAF putting equipment on key fuselage stress points to create an accurate flight profile for a homegrown sim after the initial Chinese one was off the mark on many simulation mechanics and they were asking an arm and a leg for a new one.
However I heard that story on previous iteration of PDF.

 

[Dalit]

if i could turn back time, i would abort whoever decided on the JF-17 project instead of developing a mirage 3 based fighter in house wholly.

I am glad you cannot turn back time.

How is Pakistan going to develop a Mirage 3 like fighter in house? Pakistan still relies on China for the development of JF-17.

 

[Dalit]

Honestly i dont really know what pfx is gonna be but my hope is its actually a joint china pak next gen single engine domestically produced medium weight fighter with a ws-15 or ws-10 based engine and iwb and same size profile as j-10. Much like a chinese version of su-75. Likely impossible but to me it's the most logical next gen solution that can be produced more economically feasibly at PAC whilst providing lots of useful capability. Likely the pfx project wont progress much farther than jf-17 blk 4 with reduced rcs unfortunately

PFX is an imaginary fighter that will never materialise. It is another project Azm. This is going to sound very harsh. Pakistan doesn't have the ability to develop such a fighter from scratch. It requires a lot of resources and know how which Pakistan simply doesn't possess. Pakistan relies on China for fighter acquisition and development.

The JF-17 has reached its limits. The JF-17 BLK 3 is the end. The air frame can only be developed to a certain point. Anyone that tells you that JF-17 can be developed to BLK4 is only fantasising. Even if BLK 4 is developed, it won't have major changes. Expecting a new more poweful engine is unlikely. Can the BLK 4 house a new radar? You tell me. For all of this to happen, the air frame needs to be drastically changed.

What will most likely happen? PAF will acquire more J-10C fighter jets. The JF-17 BLK 3 numbers might be increased. The focus will be on the acquisition and induction of J-35. Anything else is just chatter.

 

[Ak01]

I am glad you cannot turn back time.

How is Pakistan going to develop a Mirage 3 like fighter in house? Pakistan still relies on China for the development of JF-17.

consider reading the remaining posts in the thread as opposed to cherrypicking random bits in an attempt at point scoring.

 

[Dalit]

consider reading the remaining posts in the thread as opposed to cherrypicking random bits in an attempt at point scoring.

I have read them and yours makes least sense. It had to be replied to. Don't think I enjoy replying to your posts.

 

[puttputt]

Can you tell us again???
So did the jeff had a backhand???? then how is raad capable of flying with it??

In all likelihood, the PAF likely paid NREs to CAC/CATIC to make that integration happen. Given how that the JF-17 is selling faster at the moment than the J-10CE, I think there's a case for AVIC now to keep supporting the Thunder. It's a good bridge into new markets, which AVIC can build upon with its other products later.

Anyways, if there's a PFX, it will likely be as a result of the PAF paying NREs to CATIC to carry out the work. We don't have any real signs of such development actually happening within Pakistan.

 

[Be dazzled]

PL15 weight class missile can be carried on wing tips of BLK II Bs and BLK IIIs?

Typo. It was meant to be pl10 not 15.

 

[Michael]

Honestly i dont really know what pfx is gonna be but my hope is its actually a joint china pak next gen single engine domestically produced medium weight fighter with a ws-15 or ws-10 based engine and iwb and same size profile as j-10. Much like a chinese version of su-75. Likely impossible but to me it's the most logical next gen solution that can be produced more economically feasibly at PAC whilst providing lots of useful capability. Likely the pfx project wont progress much farther than jf-17 blk 4 with reduced rcs unfortunately

You are describing a subsequent upgraded version of the J-10 fighter jet, not a subsequent upgraded version of the JF-17.

Currently, AVIC/CAC has essentially abandoned plans for large-scale upgrades to both the JF-17 and J-10 projects.
1. Work related to the JF-17 has been largely transferred to PAC. Within CATIC, only a low-level "FC-1 Project Office" remains for daily coordination.
2. CAC has downgraded the production of the J-10, handing over full responsibility to a subsidiary.
In the future, these two projects may see minor upgrades, but significant upgrades are highly unlikely (unless there is major customer investment or a large order).

China currently possesses two series of 5th-generation stealth fighters, the J-20 and J-35, and its 6th-generation fighter project is steadily progressing to a considerable degree. There is no need for China to invest in a new 5th-generation stealth fighter project, such as a so-called J-10/JF-17/other 5th-generation stealth fighter project.

Of course, if Pakistan were to fully fund the project and commission the 611 Institute to design a new 5th-generation stealth fighter, essentially purchasing the design plan outright, I believe the 611 Institute would be very happy to undertake this project. However, given Pakistan's current situation, it is impossible for them to independently support a new 5th-generation stealth fighter project.