Watandar
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Have you ?
IWT.
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Jaeger
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Yes I have. That is why i know there is nothing illegal anymore.
Master Chief
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As stated, Pakistan is not Venezuela. Please do try though.
Jaeger
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Don't worry we are not abducting the sharifs. You can keep them.
Vikramaditya1
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Where's the detailing? I asked a simple question why should India respect a treaty when you tried to invade the same lands you signed treaty to get water from?
Your argument is illogical, India don't need a treaty in the first place we could've simply went on with utilising the water and building multiple canals along Indus and all these rivers to divert water. We could've build full on gravity dams in Kashmir and extracted TWh's of electricity. All these without Indus water treaty.
Also how did Pakistan loss out lol! You had nothing to begin with, you tried to invade many times, a hostile Indian leadership would've simply said screw this let's dry them out, but you got a bumper deal of billions in cash for dams and a water sharing agreement that gives you 80% water share in transboundary rivers. You argue as if it's your right. How? Based on what?
sutlej is ~10% of indus water flow by volume LOLThey're damming both major tributaries homie, and that may take a little while but they are well on their way. Good to see you find it funny.
The Sutlej means little to us, that's a river for your Punjab region, a bread basket, and you use it extensively for agriculture. If you knew anything you would have known that For much of the year, the Sutlej runs nearly dry within Pakistan's territory.
Your government is just hoping that China will play ball but they've made it clear they won't be. Modi and co are too stupid to think ahead, look at how your ministers went begging for rare earth metals, your commentators said the same thing back then.
Your nation's water father is China.
You should be more confident but you keep on quoting me. My words are just fantasy right? But you keep coming back. Insecurity son.
Here you go more fantasies
Concerns have emerged regarding the water India receives from China. Dr. V. Nityananda has suggested that China may be discreetly obstructing the flow of the Sutlej River into Indian territory. It is important to note that the Indus Waters Treaty governs the distribution of rivers between India and Pakistan.
In an explosive statement, Dr. V. Nityananda has claimed that in past years, the volume of water flowing into India from the Sutlej River has dropped by over 75 percent. The amount of water coming to India through the Sutlej has dipped from 8,000 gigalitres to just 2,000 gigalitres. Sharing this data, he questioned whether China is deliberately controlling the flow of water into India.
China blocking India's water? Sutlej River flow drops by..., Satellite Data makes major revelation, says...
Dr. V. Nityananda has claimed that in past years, the volume of water flowing into India from the Sutlej River has dropped by over 75 percent. The amount of water coming to India through the Sutlej has dipped from 8,000 gigalitres to just 2,000 gigalitres.www.india.com
Bhai they need to send you to negotiate, laser eyes is a pure pudda, why is he letting Chinese do this? Sad no?
chenab is about 18%
thats significant, them damming some tributaty of a tributary of the ganges is a little annoying at most. ganges major tributaries arent in china's border
i think you just dont understand hydrology
SNATCH YOUR FACES OFF
I suppose I donnt find punjabis or kashmiris very threatining. History shows they are mostly only a threat to themselves.
i am posting because I am concerned. Especially seeing things like this:
Now you are going to have to spennd more on defence and do with less water. It could get very ugly unless you get to work
Waz
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More fake/incorrect figures from yourself;
The Sutlej, a major eastern tributary of the Indus, contributes significantly to the overall Indus river system's flow, though under the Indus Waters Treaty, its waters (along with the Ravi and Beas) are allocated to India for exclusive use, while Pakistan gets the western rivers (Indus, Jhelum, Chenab). While the Sutlej's flow (around 1-2% of total Indus system flow) is small compared to the western rivers, its contribution is vital, flowing into the Panjnad River, a major confluence that joins the main Indus stem in Pakistan, forming the lifeline for vast irrigation systems in both countries.
Chenab is more or less correct.
Nope China is damming fairly near at source and maximum flows into Nepal, that's going to be tough for you guys.
Tributary of a tributary, again you lack of knowledge is appalling. By volume of water the Ghaghara (Karnali) has the highest water contribution than any other Tributary.
The Kosi is also considered a major Tributary of the Ganga.
Here is the ranking by discharge;
- Ghaghara (also called Karnali) – ~2,990 m³/s
→ Largest tributary by discharge (joins from the north/cross-border Nepal) - Yamuna – ~2,950 m³/s
→ Very close second, flows from the Himalayas and joins at Prayagraj (Allahabad) - Kosi – ~2,166 m³/s
→ Major Himalayan tributary draining parts of Nepal before meeting the Ganges - Gandak (Narayani/Kali Gandaki) – ~1,654 m³/s
→ Large Himalayan river joining near Patna - Son (Sone) – ~1,000 m³/s
→ Right-bank tributary joining from the south - Gomti – ~234 m³/s
→ Smaller tributary from Uttar Pradesh plains - Tamsa (Tons) – ~190 m³/s
→ Joins shortly after the Yamuna confluence
You just used a shittier map to try and make a point lol
Ghaghara is the confluence of multiple rivers.
Majba Zangbo -> karnali + sharda -> ghangara -> ganges
Majba Zanbo is a tiny portion in china. Daming that portion won't even be noticeable. Hence why you have one article from 2023 about it and nothing else.
You think if China was daming the ganges that sum total of attention paid to the matter is one article I'm 2023
Rivers dont sprinng up out of the ground they pick up volume through their course "daming close to the source" doesnt mean anything.
what is the contention here anyway
you are not china
you are pakistan
is this more forum roleplay where a chinese member will come on here and post like he speaks on behalf of their govt for you?
the chenab's flows are going to change in real life (non-negotiable). you have 25% food insecurity in real life.
focus on that
Master Chief
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Your interpretation of the relevant UN convention is different to mine and to objective analysis. That cannot be helped.
Beyond that, you yourself alluded to and mentioned historical contextual events. Had events as far back as 1947 played out as they should have, we would not be having this conversation.
Some rights have certainly been forcibly extracted from the hostile Nehruvian colony to our east. Others are yet to be.
Master Chief
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You are not Israel or USA.
You are India.
Indian sabotage of Pakistani food security and agricultural development is entirely our concern and focus. You may feel some pride at having initiated this sabotage. Pakistan will end it.
Vikramaditya1
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UN conventions are good as long as every country respects it. The fact is nobody gives a ratsass about these 'conventions' not even the US or China.
India and Pakistan didn't sign IWT because of 1947. We are not talking about what ifs. We are talking about why the treaty was put in abeyance. We are going to increasingly see natural resources becoming a tool at the negotiation table, water related conflicts around the world. Guess this is our version.
From an Indian perspective Indus Water Treaty was a way to settle the dispute and get Pakistan off our backs, the water sharing although important wasn't going to severely affect our agriculture at the same time allay your concerns regarding Kashmir (at the time ie 1960) and your agriculture which is depended on the British made canals and water from Indus. But not only we didn't solve the dispute. Our development, our resources are spent on dealing with you. The treaty survived despite the conflicts and India respected the treaty despite Paks petty objections on our hydropower projects up until recently. This treaty is now increasingly seen as a weakness rather than India's respect for international rules based order.
Waz
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It's not a 'shittier' map, it's part of a section that's applicable to you. You don't seem to understand that.
The Ghaghara gets most its flow from the Karnali.....Here is the breakdown;
Karnali discharge at Chisapani (average): ~1,370 – 1,400 m³/s.
Ghaghara total system discharge (downstream, including all tributaries that join after the India border): ~2,990 m³/s
1,370 m³/s (Karnali) ÷ ~2,990 m³/s (total Ghaghara) ≈ 46%
Roughly ~45–50 % of the Ghaghara’s total average annual flow
One article from 2023? I can put up many. But the fact is you don't pay any attention to the article and carry on with incredible amounts of BS you make up when I counter your post.
China appears to have completed in remote western Tibet the building of a new dam which if true will enable it to control the flow of water to Nepal and India’s northern plains, reported the newsweek.com Jan 22, citing satellite images.
Mapcha Tsangpo River, which translates from Tibetan as “peacock,” is known as the Ghaghara in India and the Karnali in Nepal. It is a significant and perennial source of freshwater supply to the populations in western Nepal and in India’s northern plains, the report said.
China’s new dam near Mt Kailash a threat to India? - Tibetan Review
(TibetanReview.net, Jan23’24) – China appears to have completed in remote western Tibet the building of a new dam which if true will enable it to control the flow of water to Nepal and India’s northern plains, reported the newsweek.com Jan 22, citing satellite images. Mapcha Tsangpo River, which...
www.tibetanreview.net
riginating close to sacred Mount Kailash, high on the remote, western part of the Tibetan plateau, the Mapcha Tsangpo River, which means the Peacock River in Tibetan, flows away from the slopes of this holiest of mountains and into Nepal, where its name changes to the Karnali. One of the most important rivers to rush through Nepal, it provides reliable freshwater for millions of people and waters huge swathes of farmland. Continuing its southward journey, the river then enters India where it’s a major tributary of the all-important Ganges River, which brings life to many hundreds of millions more people.
But, new satellite imagery appears to indicate that China has recently completed the construction of a huge new dam on the Mapcha Tsangpo River, very close to the politically important tri-junction borde
Construction of mega dams in Tibet worries downriver nations
Satellite imagery shows that China has been constructing a mega dam in Tibet and that worries the downriver nations of India and Nepal.
geographical.co.uk
Pakistan is China's strategic ally, do you think they would just sit around whilst your sanghi government tries to declare water war? Your PM Modi was warned back a few years ago not do so, but they went ahead and now all bets are off, and they are going medieval on your water supply. Heck an Indian scientist had to raise the alarm on the lack of flow in the Sutlej, whilst your idiot leaders boast what they are going to do Pakistan.
As for the rest I have no idea what you mean by forum 'role play' Chinese members have already spoken about this. But you don't get it.
Here uncle Victor (respected strategic analyst) will explain it for you India is on the downstream. Listen to China the father of Indian water;
If you would like Hindi subtitles let me know or a brief translation.
By the way that was your last post here. You add nothing to the debate and started swearing, then trolled more about 'role play' etc.
Master Chief
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India’s ‘abeyance’ claim has no standing under treaty law: Pakistan commissioner for Indus Waters
Syed Mehar Ali Shah notes three "episodes" of India altering water flows to Pakistan since April 2025; says both must mutually agree to make any changes to pact.
www.dawn.com
India’s ‘abeyance’ claim has no standing under treaty law: Pakistan commissioner for Indus Waters
News Desk Published January 4, 2026
Pakistan Commissioner for Indus Waters Syed Muhammad Mehar Ali Shah on Sunday said India’s claim of placing the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) in “abeyance” has no legal basis and that the treaty remains fully in force under international law.
In April 2025, India held the IWT in abeyance following the attack on tourists in occupied Kashmir’s Pahalgam that killed 26 — an incident New Delhi blamed on Islamabad without evidence. Pakistan termed any attempt to suspend its water share an “act of war”. In June, the Permanent Court of Arbitration held that India cannot unilaterally hold the treaty in abeyance.
Speaking on Geo News‘ programme ‘Jirga’, Shah talked about the legality of India holding the IWT in abeyance and said: “As far as holding the treaty in abeyance is concerned, the word ‘abeyance’ is not recognised under international treaty law. It is a coined term, because we believe India understands that it cannot suspend, breach or terminate the treaty.”
See link for rest of article.
Auqab13
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Don't worry you will not be abducting anyone. 2 Rupey ki Yudh waley
.You can make bollywood movies about it though.
Auqab13
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speaking of executions, where is Kulbushan?
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