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[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

Your lack of relevancy in military affairs is a big reason why America is downgrading your importance economically,

You have misread the Indo-US relationship, having analysed it from the prism of US-PAK relations. It is primarily an economic relationship, not a military one. From a military point of view, all that US needs from IND is friendly neutrality i.e. that it shouldn't be militarily aligned to PRC or RUS. The reason is simple. IND isn't a worthwhile military power and will be of little use to US.

On the other hand, US PAK relationship is primarily a military one, not an economic one. US needs PAK military support for attaining its geopolitical objectives- the two Afghan wars (1979-90 and 2001-21) being key examples. The reason being PAK military's undisputable strategic nous. Economically of course PAK is no use at all to US, unless the copper and REE turn out to be substantial.

In short horses for courses. IND for economic benefits, PAK for military prowess.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

Can you show me one statement where India was in any such plans? These are all drummed up ideas of so called Think Tanks. Secondly, has US said that they are downgrading ties with India? I am sure that you would quote US actions being an indication of the same. Hasn’t US done the same with some of it’s closest allies? Canada, EU, Japan and even Australia. By that yardstick, Pakistan should have become the closest ally. After all Munir has had more number of lunches in the White House than any other world leader. Just wait for a while and we would know the price of those lunches.

So what exactly is the quad for? India tried to reshape the quad to be less military focused, that what's the point of the quad


And I don't mean India will be downgraded completely, the whole world is basically being recalibrated but relatively speaking India is losing more ground, or it has to be up there amongst those coming off worst

It is all hearsay

See above, what is the quad for

No, India isn’t going to do any bidding for the US and isn’t going to be a US proxy

The problem is, China is not going anywhere

Let Trump and his lackeys talk as of now. Navarro has gone quiet for some reason. We will see how many keep standing as time passes

Lutnick has recently spoken

India is in no hurry to sign a trade deal like many other nations

This is admirable, no trolling

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

Your lack of relevancy in military affairs is a big reason why America is downgrading your importance economically,

You have misread the Indo-US relationship, having analysed it from the prism of US-PAK relations. It is primarily an economic relationship, not a military one. From a military point of view, all that US needs from IND is friendly neutrality i.e. that it shouldn't be militarily aligned to PRC or RUS. The reason is simple. IND isn't a worthwhile military power and will be of little use to US.

On the other hand, US PAK relationship is primarily a military one, not an economic one. US needs PAK military support for attaining its geopolitical objectives- the two Afghan wars (1979-90 and 2001-21) being key examples. The reason being PAK military's undisputable strategic nous. Economically of course PAK is no use at all to US, unless the copper and REE turn out to be substantial.

In short horses for courses. IND for economic benefits, PAK for military prowess.

Regards

Your last line is what has actually ended up happening however I think you totally misunderstand what America needs

In the new rules of the game, a country like India, apparent peer of China cannot simply have economic collaboration only without commensurate military cooperation. And the point here is commensurate, because India after all is a big country and apparently has some money too

If you believe otherwise then you are dreaming.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

And this is why any ideas to pivot towards global South can be laughed out of the room.

I said it above, in trump's world you will not get this neat delineation of economic benefit if they also need military and geopolitical benefit. I am short trump would like to see you abandon brics for example, this is one of the vectors which is contributing to your economic downgrading to USA, as things stand

Like I said, you're reading too much into Trump's little attempt at dictatorship. The US despite its all flaws is a democracy. They have elections republicans are slowly looking at self preservation than Trump Preservation.

Trump may have a lot on his wish list but he got too much in his plate. If this was Biden doing all these with the help of his western allies, I would be very worried about India's future. But this is Trump, he makes a broad net and catches everything. He can single out India, well India is in a much better position than Staunch European ally Denmark who is at the cusp of losing territory to the US. Trump has his eyes set on Canada as well. Who is going to be next? UK? So you think he is going to single out India no, he is going to alienate the Europeans, he is trying to fight with BRICS, he is trying to pick a fight with LatAm, he is going to bomb Mexico, Columbia, Cuba. I never seen such a retarded President, as I said before we don't want to be associated with this guy it'll be a bad PR.

 

[r3alist]

Like I said, you're reading too much into Trump's little attempt at dictatorship. The US despite its all flaws is a democracy. They have elections republicans are slowly looking at self preservation than Trump Preservation.

Trump may have a lot on his wish list but he got too much in his plate. If this was Biden doing all these with the help of his western allies, I would be very worried about India's future. But this is Trump, he makes a broad net and catches everything. He can single out India, well India is in a much better position than Staunch European ally Denmark who is at the cusp of losing territory to the US. Trump has his eyes set on Canada as well. Who is going to be next? UK? So you think he is going to single out India no, he is going to alienate the Europeans, he is trying to fight with BRICS, he is trying to pick a fight with LatAm, he is going to bomb Mexico, Columbia, Cuba. I never seen such a retarded President, as I said before we don't want to be associated with this guy it'll be a bad PR.

I don't know for how long you can minimise the effect of trump as something that can be dismissed or even fleeting, because if there is no trump there is still maga.

And the basic point for India is, because they do not offer the Americans enough military, India will not get its ask for economic support and technology transfer.

This seems like a very normal sort of trade-off, after all India explicitly asks America for a leg up to be more important, well America is asking for more intent towards China.

If you don't want to do that I don't see what leg you have to complain too much

 

[Master Chief]

Like I said, you're reading too much into Trump's little attempt at dictatorship. The US despite its all flaws is a democracy. They have elections republicans are slowly looking at self preservation than Trump Preservation.

Trump may have a lot on his wish list but he got too much in his plate. If this was Biden doing all these with the help of his western allies, I would be very worried about India's future. But this is Trump, he makes a broad net and catches everything. He can single out India, well India is in a much better position than Staunch European ally Denmark who is at the cusp of losing territory to the US. Trump has his eyes set on Canada as well. Who is going to be next? UK? So you think he is going to single out India no, he is going to alienate the Europeans, he is trying to fight with BRICS, he is trying to pick a fight with LatAm, he is going to bomb Mexico, Columbia, Cuba. I never seen such a retarded President, as I said before we don't want to be associated with this guy it'll be a bad PR.

I dunno about this downplaying of Trump's ego that you are going for here. From a psychological perspective, the man is clearly pushing the envelope of megalomaniacal delusion. He will find a way to facilitate much of what he says because nobody really can, or is willing to, fight back.

The reality is, NOBODY, barring The Houthis or, arguably Iran, have demonstrated anything even remotely like striking back against Trump's hegemony, militarily or otherwise. Even China has been busy mitigating the economic fallout of Trump 2.0 - only because China is in a position to be able to do that.

You and your countrymen have miscalculated on Trump multiple times over. This is a failure to appreciate or accurately predict his personality more than anything else. I'm not saying anyone in the world has him totally figured out either - nobody does frankly speaking, but attempted balancing acts simply encourage him more.

In much the same way, nobody domestically will dare reverse the majority of his implementations, whoever might succeed him.

The ONLY exception that may arise, in terms of USA's India specific policies, is the presumed favourable intent if an actual Indian origin individual comes to power but looking at the attempts of Kamala and Vivek, I doubt that is happening any time soon.

 

[Khanivore]

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[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

a country like India, apparent peer of China cannot simply have economic collaboration only without commensurate military cooperation.

I think it is pretty much accepted, except by Bhakts/fanbois that IND is NOT a peer of PRC.

because they do not offer the Americans enough military, India will not get its ask for economic support and technology transfer.

IND hasn't asked for economic support nor has it been offered any (either in the past nor in the present). IND has asked for technology transfer but hasn't gotten any except when it is paid for in commercial terms. This wont change. India will neither offer any serious military support nor get the kind of assistance you talk about.

Regards

 

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Lol. A mere $10 billion drop and Pakistanis are celebrating?

 

[Vkdindian1]

Lol. A mere $10 billion drop and Pakistanis are celebrating?

$10 billion is a lot of money for many nations. Comparisons and concerns stem from own insecurities, which seems to be the case with Pakistani brethren.

So what exactly is the quad for? India tried to reshape the quad to be less military focused, that what's the point of the quad

QUAD is what SAARC is for our region. An initiative that was dead from the day one. In any case, US was supposed to be in the drivers seat of any such group. And we all know, how US has been under Trump.

The problem is, China is not going anywhere

In fact China is coming up and doing it very fast. The fact is that India isn’t going anywhere either and is also coming up, not as a Chinese peer but in its own right. India understands its place in the world order. It is neither to be a bully, nor get bullied. Trump is realising this now.

 

[Michael]

US Commerce Secretary, New Delhi give differing accounts of breakdown in India trade talks​

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-us-trade-deal-stalled-after-modi-did-not-call-trump-lutnick-says-2026-01-09/

 

[Vikramaditya1]

I don't know for how long you can minimise the effect of trump as something that can be dismissed or even fleeting, because if there is no trump there is still maga.

And the basic point for India is, because they do not offer the Americans enough military, India will not get its ask for economic support and technology transfer.

This seems like a very normal sort of trade-off, after all India explicitly asks America for a leg up to be more important, well America is asking for more intent towards China.

If you don't want to do that I don't see what leg you have to complain too much

Who said anything about Minimising Trump's effects, Trump can attempt at maximum pain on India. But if anything it'll consolidate our position against the Americans even with the highest tariffs India's external trade has only increased. India Europe FTA will be the largest FTA India has ever signed, and trade with the US will look like a blip on the screen. I'm quite comfortable with 500% tariff Lindsay retard proposed I like to see him try and fail lol!

 

[Vikramaditya1]

I don't know for how long you can minimise the effect of trump as something that can be dismissed or even fleeting, because if there is no trump there is still maga.

And the basic point for India is, because they do not offer the Americans enough military, India will not get its ask for economic support and technology transfer.

That's because you don't fundamentally understand India's position and largely see India's trade as a GSP program you avail. We don't need such "support" we have broken free of these addiction to goodies and loans to support ourselves. So Trump pulling some benefits (if any) has had no effect on us. MAGA is increasingly seen as some Nazi inspired movement with people wanting to not associate with them.

The reality is, NOBODY, barring The Houthis or, arguably Iran, have demonstrated anything even remotely like striking back against Trump's hegemony, militarily or otherwise. Even China has been busy mitigating the economic fallout of Trump 2.0 - only because China is in a position to be able to do that.

Houthis and Iranians are inconsequential to the Americans. They're like a frog flexing in front of a 16 wheeler truck. I'm not even sure if Iran is going to be an Ayatollah fiefdom but let's see.

You and your countrymen have miscalculated on Trump multiple times over. This is a failure to appreciate or accurately predict his personality more than anything else. I'm not saying anyone in the world has him totally figured out either - nobody does frankly speaking, but attempted balancing acts simply encourage him more.

Everyone including American allies miscalculated Donal Trump. US used to be thick as thieves with NATO allies and see how that's going. On one side Russians are invading and the other side Americans are preparing to invade. I don't think such a president is predictable.

In much the same way, nobody domestically will dare reverse the majority of his implementations, whoever might succeed him.

The ONLY exception that may arise, in terms of USA's India specific policies, is the presumed favourable intent if an actual Indian origin individual comes to power but looking at the attempts of Kamala and Vivek, I doubt that is happening any time soon.

Yeah, I don't think so. Whoever succeed him will have to go around prostrating. The US damaged it's ties with each and every one of its allies and made a bad PR about it. The Americans are pretending to be in 1947 without the economic might.

Also you have a quite simpleton point of view that some brown person is going to be pro India. In our calculus Presidents don't matter much, the policies matter, it doesn't matter which side of the aisle they sit.

 

[Master Chief]

That's because you don't fundamentally understand India's position and largely see India's trade as a GSP program you avail. We don't need such "support" we have broken free of these addiction to goodies and loans to support ourselves. So Trump pulling some benefits (if any) has had no effect on us. MAGA is increasingly seen as some Nazi inspired movement with people wanting to not associate with them.

Houthis and Iranians are inconsequential to the Americans. They're like a frog flexing in front of a 16 wheeler truck. I'm not even sure if Iran is going to be an Ayatollah fiefdom but let's see.

Everyone including American allies miscalculated Donal Trump. US used to be thick as thieves with NATO allies and see how that's going. On one side Russians are invading and the other side Americans are preparing to invade. I don't think such a president is predictable.

Yeah, I don't think so. Whoever succeed him will have to go around prostrating. The US damaged it's ties with each and every one of its allies and made a bad PR about it. The Americans are pretending to be in 1947 without the economic might.

Also you have a quite simpleton point of view that some brown person is going to be pro India. In our calculus Presidents don't matter much, the policies matter, it doesn't matter which side of the aisle they sit.

The UK experience has been precisely of India origin politicians (+ Rishi Sunak, who is technically Pakistani origin, via Kenya, but due to some bizarre sense of disloyalty he thinks he is one of your lot....can't think why that might be) taking advantage of their position to fully facilitate Delhi's interests, shamelessly so, though I will accept that this is accentuated based on which party one is a member of (I.e. tories are by far the worst).

Priti Patel is a great case study, quietly scuttling off to arrange deals with Jaishankar while the camera was focused on perpetual clownery from her boss Boris getting his backside handed to him over domestic incompetence.

Some of this is down to British white people having a unique "guilt complex" towards Indian origin folk, as if something is owed to your lot after "partition" already brought you far more than was ever earned.

 

[r3alist]

In fact China is coming up and doing it very fast. The fact is that India isn’t going anywhere either and is also coming up, not as a Chinese peer but in its own right. India understands its place in the world order. It is neither to be a bully, nor get bullied. Trump is realising this now.

You might still have to confront China but with less USA support, will those rafels do the job?

and trade with the US will look like a blip on the screen

You just described a downgrading then, either way.

We don't need such "support" we have broken free of these addiction to goodies and loans to support ourselves.

India explicitly asks America to support its rise and growth, and for technology transfer.
You guys know yourselves certain areas you cannot really do much without Chinese or American help

MAGA is increasingly seen as some Nazi inspired movement with people

Maga was once India's favourite American political movement