Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

rafale said:
which is why i always say, whenever it is time for PAF to retire the oldest F-16s (ADF versions), they should really make one into an unmanned jet....and fly it straight into India so bhindians can finally shoot one down and declare a national holiday for celebrations.
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The Indians will counter with ex-NCC Pushpak, and Pipistrel aircraft, as well as Rohini gliders. These would be a potent threat to Pakistan and game changers, since no Air Defense system or intercepting combat jets could bring them down.
 
they're more than welcome to restart sindoor/tandoor 2.0 and see how that goes......who stopping them........

but they have to prepare to face the consequences of such actions if they do dare to provoke Pakistan again.......
 
Regarding IAF's current situation, this is funny.

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Vkdindian1 said:
There was no requirement to put that armada of fighters by Indian commanders. What were they thinking is beyond me. They got a nasty surprise, didn’t they?

The PL15 threat would matter more in a skirmish but not so much in a full fledged conflict. Because the number of J10s is very limited and 20 J10s can do only this much. Indian commanders can do that math, I guess.

Indian forces displayed enough capability to put few critical PAF bases out of action for adequate duration that could have vastly reduced PL15 threat. Craters on Sargodha runway was just a display of intent. Few critical bases disabled based on solid intelligence, for 8-10 hours could have created a window for whatever IAF would have intended to do.

So, “what if” scenario didn’t have silver lining for Pakistan only. It had few positives for my side too.

10th May showed that Indian commanders were ready to make changes as required to deliver what was needed and Pakistan didn’t see it coming. That element of surprise could have continued later too.

And I grant that to your side too. But that didn’t happen, hence is a moot point.

If anything, salt to the wound was added by India too, in striking targets with impunity even after losing the air engagement on the 7th. I am wondering why no one is asking Pak commanders if they have anything great to show after stellar performance on 7th.
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"Slight" miscalculation that PL15 would be used by limited number of J10s...
...it's also operational with JF17.

Also PAF has always dominated regardless. It's not about an individual weapon. If it was...then Rafale is also an absolute beast. In 2019, no PL15 was used...in previous wars...it was previous gen(less capable weapons)...what would be the excuse then?

The only downside PAF would have in a drawn out war against IAF(or any branch of Pakistani vs Indian military) is the sheer difference in size...
...which in a prolonged war...after much attrition on both sides...would start to show its effect by hampering Pakistan's war effort.

P.S. PAF has trained to use its "motorway" for operations if it absolutely has to resort to that. So taking out some runways(which is not as huge a setback as it's portrayed bcuz they can be repaired relatively quickly) is not really some big achievement.
 
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Cookie Monster said:
it's also operational with JF17.
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No, it is not. Even if it is integrated, JF-17 radar isn’t good enough to exploit its full capability. But, I wouldn’t take it lightly and advise caution. Since taking an adversary lightly would be foolish.

Cookie Monster said:
The only downside PAF would have in a drawn out war against IAF(or any branch of Pakistani vs Indian military) is the sheer difference in size...
...which in a prolonged war...after much attrition on both sides...would start to show its effect by hampering Pakistan's war effort.
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2019 and 2025 were both skirmishes. Both sides were restrained more so India, to not go full scale. In a limited theatre one weapon can create an asymmetry which was shown very well by PAF in employing AMRAAM and PL-15. What if the initial strike by India was of the same nature as on 10th but much bigger scale? Critical runways taken down, radars destroyed and C2 nodes made redundant in the very first strike. So a skirmish and a bigger conflict can have different outcomes. 10th May was a very good peek at that.

It is being claimed that IAF was on ground for the entire duration and also that major IAF AD assets were neutralised. If that was so, what did PAF do to exploit that situation?

Nothing. Nothing verifiable except tall claims and fanboy brigade using Google earth images and claiming moon.

So the success on 7th didn’t translate into anything great after that day. This shows that PAF has it’s own limitations which were exposed even more on the 10th by Indian commanders.

Cookie Monster said:
PAF has trained to use its "motorway" for operations if it absolutely has to resort to that. So taking out some runways(which is not as huge a setback as it's portrayed bcuz they can be repaired relatively quickly) is not really some big achievement.
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Landing at motorways as a last measure is not like operating from a base. Motorways can’t give same level of support to carry out full blown operations as an airbase.

Damage to runways aren’t for permanency but to create a window of opportunity. It was displayed by Indian commanders by striking Sargodha runway. 2-3 more craters at Sargodha would have made it non operational for atleast 8-10 hours. Any aircraft at the base would have remained stuck. So it is not as simple as being made by you. It wasn’t done since it wasn’t intended. It was to show how far, how deep and how accurately Indian forces can strike.

Now, I am not claiming that a bigger conflict would have only positives for India. A bigger conflict can be messy and unpredictable for everyone.

Thats why no one wanted it. Thats why both sides decided to back down and agree to a ceasefire.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
No, it is not. Even if it is integrated, JF-17 radar isn’t good enough to exploit its full capability. But, I wouldn’t take it lightly and advise caution. Since taking an adversary lightly would be foolish.


2019 and 2025 were both skirmishes. Both sides were restrained more so India, to not go full scale. In a limited theatre one weapon can create an asymmetry which was shown very well by PAF in employing AMRAAM and PL-15. What if the initial strike by India was of the same nature as on 10th but much bigger scale? Critical runways taken down, radars destroyed and C2 nodes made redundant in the very first strike. So a skirmish and a bigger conflict can have different outcomes. 10th May was a very good peek at that.

It is being claimed that IAF was on ground for the entire duration and also that major IAF AD assets were neutralised. If that was so, what did PAF do to exploit that situation?

Nothing. Nothing verifiable except tall claims and fanboy brigade using Google earth images and claiming moon.

So the success on 7th didn’t translate into anything great after that day. This shows that PAF has it’s own limitations which were exposed even more on the 10th by Indian commanders.


Landing at motorways as a last measure is not like operating from a base. Motorways can’t give same level of support to carry out full blown operations as an airbase.

Damage to runways aren’t for permanency but to create a window of opportunity. It was displayed by Indian commanders by striking Sargodha runway. 2-3 more craters at Sargodha would have made it non operational for atleast 8-10 hours. Any aircraft at the base would have remained stuck. So it is not as simple as being made by you. It wasn’t done since it wasn’t intended. It was to show how far, how deep and how accurately Indian forces can strike.

Now, I am not claiming that a bigger conflict would have only positives for India. A bigger conflict can be messy and unpredictable for everyone.

Thats why no one wanted it. Thats why both sides decided to back down and agree to a ceasefire.
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You're a joke, bahktoria cope of the highest order. You said india was "restrained" in May to avoid war? You attacked a sovereign nuclear state, which by definition is an act of war. Instead of trying to act like your big daddy israel, why not try to capture those who killed innocent indians?
 
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Vkdindian1 said:
No, it is not. Even if it is integrated, JF-17 radar isn’t good enough to exploit its full capability. But, I wouldn’t take it lightly and advise caution. Since taking an adversary lightly would be foolish.


2019 and 2025 were both skirmishes. Both sides were restrained more so India, to not go full scale. In a limited theatre one weapon can create an asymmetry which was shown very well by PAF in employing AMRAAM and PL-15. What if the initial strike by India was of the same nature as on 10th but much bigger scale? Critical runways taken down, radars destroyed and C2 nodes made redundant in the very first strike. So a skirmish and a bigger conflict can have different outcomes. 10th May was a very good peek at that.

It is being claimed that IAF was on ground for the entire duration and also that major IAF AD assets were neutralised. If that was so, what did PAF do to exploit that situation?

Nothing. Nothing verifiable except tall claims and fanboy brigade using Google earth images and claiming moon.

So the success on 7th didn’t translate into anything great after that day. This shows that PAF has it’s own limitations which were exposed even more on the 10th by Indian commanders.


Landing at motorways as a last measure is not like operating from a base. Motorways can’t give same level of support to carry out full blown operations as an airbase.

Damage to runways aren’t for permanency but to create a window of opportunity. It was displayed by Indian commanders by striking Sargodha runway. 2-3 more craters at Sargodha would have made it non operational for atleast 8-10 hours. Any aircraft at the base would have remained stuck. So it is not as simple as being made by you. It wasn’t done since it wasn’t intended. It was to show how far, how deep and how accurately Indian forces can strike.

Now, I am not claiming that a bigger conflict would have only positives for India. A bigger conflict can be messy and unpredictable for everyone.

Thats why no one wanted it. Thats why both sides decided to back down and agree to a ceasefire.
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Hi, I want to highlight that Pakistan was also restrained in its response. If you read the article by Alan Warnes in AFM, it states the PAF could have shot down 20+ IAF jets but held back. In the latter stages of the conflict, they had the opportunity to hit an IAF A50 but did not as they did not want to escalate.

In 2019, AVM Chisti clearly stated in an interview the PAF could have downed 8-9 IAF jets but held back, as they did not want to escalate.

Now an argument can be made from these statements from the PAF, that Pakistan did not want to invite a heavier retaliation to its airbases and assets in either conflict, but we will never know.

I have also mentioned in other posts, that I spoke to PAF members at RIAT 2025, and they mentioned the JF-17 launched a whole bunch of ordinances on India also.

Somewhere between the stories of the IAF/IA and PAF lies the truth....

I hope there is no further action between either country as it could really spiral out of control and Pakistan has said it will hit deeper inside India this time. I hope cooler minds prevail for both countries!!!
 
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