Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Aad80]

For the Americans in here who still act arrogantly: Iran already has multiple nuclear warheads and the means to launch them. Iran will show it to the world when the time is right.

 

[Aad80]

The Zionist project must fail for the Middle East to have peace.....so must their proxies.

Saudi Arabia has refused to receive Tahnoon bin Zayed, the National Security Advisor of the United Arab Emirates.

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I sincerely believe Saudi begged Iran to decimate Abu Dhabi (not Dubai!) once the war begins. And I sincerely believe Iran already received billions of USD from Saudi Arabia and extreme political backing.

 

[Serendipity]

Haha, it's all for show man...they're the single biggest enemy of Iran, after Israel. The UAE is a Mossad outpost.....Not to mention an outpost for the CIA as well.

So what you mean is thats its better for them to publicly and logistically support the strike? The logic is a damned if you do and damned if you dont argument. Historically, effective diplomatic countries have managed to build up on such sentiment effectively, even if it is privately perceived to be disingenuous. I believe the momentum is building. Saudi has also now publicly stated they will not offer any logistic support for such a strike.

Shaudenfreude is a bad strategy when you are on the chopping block. Not from a moral perspective, rather from a purely pragmatic perspective.

Also the whole zionist narrative is a poor, albeit convenient, story for those who remember history. Iran's feud with them far precedes a shift in their alignments and alliances. The original tiff was over territorial claims wasn't it?

If a Pakistani forum can support the Iranis to voice their concerns while Pakistan is in thr list of countries deliberately attacked by Iran in the last year, isnt that a lesson the Iranis can emulate to maximize survival?

 

[StrategicBear]

It's very likely the U.S has offered a deal

Let us kill or kidnap Khomeini (like Maduro) and you can keep your regime as long as you

Pivot your oil and economy towards the U.S, we control.your oil and reserves going forward

Don't trade with China or Russia

End your nuclear program
Limit your missile production and range



Something along those lines was probably offered to the Iranian state via different routes

Iran is not Venezuela. Iran is a proud 3000+ year old civilization that won't be ordered around by a nation that has existed for only less than 300 years.

 

[ToddE]

Iran is not Venezuela. Iran is a proud 3000+ year old civilization that won't be ordered around by a nation that has existed for only less than 300 years.

Some users who keep posting here have ZERO understanding of socioeconomics, politics, history etc based on which wars are fought and won.

 

[hussain0216]

Iran is not Venezuela. Iran is a proud 3000+ year old civilization that won't be ordered around by a nation that has existed for only less than 300 years.

I agree

But that's what the U.S offered and that's what the U.S wants

It doesn't care about the regime, or the protesters, all it cares about is a compliant Iranian state, control of the resources and protecting the jews

 

[Pak-Warrior]

I agree

But that's what the U.S offered and that's what the U.S wants

It doesn't care about the regime, or the protesters, all it cares about is a compliant Iranian state, control of the resources and protecting the jews

I don't think bombing campaign can change regime. In afghanistan & Iraq they had boots on ground. They don't want to lose any soliders, so they are just in mood of dropping bombs only. This won't do the regime change.

I think they are only after Iranian ballistic missile program and the facilities / manufacturing sites where Iran builds those. They won't care much about storage facilities, they are going to target manufacturing facilities. Elimination of Iranian ballistic missile program was Israel's second priority item after Nuclear program.

Destruction of ballistic missile program is much harder. US / Israel want to damage it to an extent that It don't become a serious threat for Israel for sometime. As Iranian missile program was progressing well and was getting more advance.

 

[Liquidator]

I don't think bombing campaign can change regime. In afghanistan & Iraq they had boots on ground. They don't want to lose any soliders, so they are just in mood of dropping bombs only. This won't do the regime change.

I think they are only after Iranian ballistic missile program and the facilities / manufacturing sites where Iran builds those. They won't care much about storage facilities, they are going to target manufacturing facilities. Elimination of Iranian ballistic missile program was Israel's second priority item after Nuclear program.

Destruction of ballistic missile program is much harder. US / Israel want to damage it to an extent that It don't become a serious threat for Israel for sometime. As Iranian missile program was progressing well and was getting more advance.

Some advice

The term "regime" is used in a derogatory manner by western exceptionalist fascists to describe any way of governance or nation that does not yield to their demands.

Do not use this term and in fact use it against them I.e American regime etc etc because due to AIPAC it is a more accurate description of their very own governance processes.

The fact that we are now also using it goes to show how effective propaganda can be....

 

[VCheng]

Iran is not Venezuela. Iran is a proud 3000+ year old civilization that won't be ordered around by a nation that has existed for only less than 300 years.

So China, which is a 4,000 year old civilization, can order around Persia, which is only 3,000 years old, if we are to accept the seniority you mention as a valid criterion?

International geopolitics is not about who can order whom around, but one of finding the best possible ways to pursue national interests, no matter by whom.

 

[VCheng]

I don't think bombing campaign can change regime. In afghanistan & Iraq they had boots on ground. They don't want to lose any soliders, so they are just in mood of dropping bombs only. This won't do the regime change.

But sustained economic pressure can.

 

[VCheng]

no need to sink it

enough to remove it from the battlefield

Remember the USS Cole?

 

[OldTwilight]

So China, which is a 4,000 year old civilization, can order around Persia, which is only 3,000 years old, if we are to accept the seniority you mention as a valid criterion?

International geopolitics is not about who can order whom around, but one of finding the best possible ways to pursue national interests, no matter by whom.

Iran is 6000 years old civilization.... Elam was at its old age when achemanid came to power

 

[VCheng]

Iran is 6000 years old civilization.... Elam was at its old age when achemanid came to power

The past has been and long gone. The future is not yet here. Only the present matters.

What does claimed seniority of a civilization do to help in win wars in the present?

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Iran is 6000 years old civilization.... Elam was at its old age when achemanid came to power

His point was number of years old civilization is no criteria for strength of it now.

Many old civilizations even are gone and dusted. Human civilizations started tens of thousands of years ago, maybe 100,000 years ago. We don't know truly.

As far as oldest civilization present today, I searched google / chatgpt. Results shown are in below order:

1- Chinese (Oldest)
2- Indian
3- Persian

Now, ofcourse everyone would claim that they are the oldest. BTW, in Madhya Pradesh India 10,000 years old paintings are found along with other signs. So...? Anyways, how old a civilization is does not mean how it will perform in battle. British and Japanese invaded China at different times when Chinese are clearly very older civilization then these two new ones. So the whole point was bringing this argument that Iran is xxx years old civilization means absolutely nothing. BTW, religions, customs, most of stuff already updated, its another debate that is the current civilization really the one which is present today too? Because no one claims this for Ancient Egyptian civilization (10,000 years+ older, age of pyramids / oldest distinct structures of mankind till date etc).. Modern egyptians do not claim they are 10,000 year old civilization...

 

[ToddE]

His point was number of years old civilization is no criteria for strength of it now.

Many old civilizations even are gone and dusted. Human civilizations started tens of thousands of years ago, maybe 100,000 years ago. We don't know truly.

As far as oldest civilization present today, I searched google / chatgpt. Results shown are in below order:

1- Chinese (Oldest)
2- Indian
3- Persian

Now, ofcourse everyone would claim that they are the oldest. BTW, in Madhya Pradesh India 10,000 years old paintings are found along with other signs. So...? Anyways, how old a civilization is does not mean how it will perform in battle. British and Japanese invaded China at different times when Chinese are clearly very older civilization then these two new ones. So the whole point was bringing this argument that Iran is xxx years old civilization means absolutely nothing. BTW, religions, customs, most of stuff already updated, its another debate that is the current civilization really the one which is present today too. Because no one claims this for Ancient Egyptian civilization (10,000 years+ older, age of pyramids / oldest distinct structures of mankind till date etc).. Modern egyptians do not claim they are 10,000 year old civilization...

lol @ Indian.

Indian civilization started when Iranian farmers of Neolithic times entered Indic plains and mixed with AASI women to create IVC. Look up sound articles on genome of IVC, it was almost male 90% Iranian farmers (matched with shahre sokhta, Ganj dareh samples) lineage.

Also Iran =/= Persian. Persians are an imperial subbranch of Iranian civilization that got famous because despite being very few in numbers they created trans continental empires for a millennium and influenced culture, language, genetics of neighboring groups. Current Iran for the past 800 years is Irano-Turkic by ethnicity, culture etc. IRI is massively Turkic.