Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

Let us not ignore the fearmongering by the other, mainly Arab, states in the region, beseeching US help, since a majority of them feel gravely threatened by Iran.

PGCC Arabs were begging for full war on Iran in 1990-2019 until Aramco got wrecked and Houthis scored monster kills with ballistic missiles on UAE/Saudi Arabia

Since then they beg everyone to not go to war with Iran and backed off

 

[VCheng]

PGCC Arabs were begging for full war on Iran in 1990-2019 until Aramco got wrecked and Houthis scored monster kills with ballistic missiles on UAE/Saudi Arabia

Since then they beg everyone to not go to war with Iran and backed off

They may have backed off, but they have not given up.

 

[Meengla]

As long as different sects of the same religion hold sway on the north and south sides of the same ancient body of water, that enmity will persist IMO.

Until the 1979 Iranian revolution when its zeal tried to expand regionally, even the sectarian differences didn't matter much. And in today's loosening of ideological hold on people and nations, well, with the exception of the Afghan Taliban, I don't see today's Iran and its regional ambitions are the same even if they can afford to 'project' influence, which they can't.

We must not live too much in the past in a world of the present where even Canada is distancing itself from America. Things are rapidly changing. But, more relevant to this thread, the AIPAC hold on the American political system is verily not the same as it was barely 2-3 years ago and so it must be appreciated that the old racist warmongers like Biden and Trump may well be a thing of the past. I dare say VP JD Vance, should Trump croak today, will act differently in the Middle East. At least he will not become a co-belligerent with Israel against Iran like Trump has repeatedly shown to be.

 

[VCheng]

We must not live too much in the past in a world of the present where even Canada is distancing itself from America. Things are rapidly changing. But, more relevant to this thread, the AIPAC hold on the American political system is verily not the same as it was barely 2-3 years ago and so it must be appreciated that the old racist warmongers like Biden and Trump may well be a thing of the past. I dare say VP JD Vance, should Trump croak today, will act differently in the Middle East. At least he will not become a co-belligerent with Israel against Iran like Trump has repeatedly shown to be.

Let us get through the next three years first, and then we will know.

 

[PakFactor]

Let us not ignore the fearmongering by the other, mainly Arab, states in the region, beseeching US help, since a majority of them feel gravely threatened by Iran.

It's always baffled me how one would expect someone else to solve a problem without creating more problems for their own benefit. You give an inch, they will take a foot.

As long as different sects of the same religion hold sway on the north and south sides of the same ancient body of water, that enmity will persist IMO.

This, its old enmities, keeps this region from progressing forward; it took Europe a few bloody wars to figure out, it's just not worth the cost in the end. After seeing the costs of the last few decades and European history before them, they do not choose to learn.

 

[VCheng]

It's always baffled me how one would expect someone else to solve a problem without creating more problems for their own benefit. You give an inch, they will take a foot.

Nothing baffling here. Nothing is simple or easy or permanent in international geopolitics.

This, its old enmities, keeps this region from progressing forward; it took Europe a few bloody wars to figure out, it's just not worth the cost in the end. After seeing the costs of the last few decades and European history before them, they do not choose to learn.

Well, if I say anything that it is all about what they choose, people get upset that water is wet.

 

[CrniLabud]

Hopefully China can provide ISR to Iran from their satellites, ships and air assets. Similar to how they helped Pakistan. Most critical area is air, that is all the US is relying on, and is willing to use in this war, no ground troops will be deployed into Iran. Goal is to takeout leadership and IRGC-Army infrastructure with a prolonged multi-week bombardment to topple the government. Air defence is the main thing now and hopefully China can provide intel.

 

[OldTwilight]

Hopefully China can provide ISR to Iran from their satellites, ships and air assets. Similar to how they helped Pakistan. Most critical area is air, that is all the US is relying on, and is willing to use in this war, no ground troops will be deployed into Iran. Goal is to takeout leadership and IRGC-Army infrastructure with a prolonged multi-week bombardment to topple the government. Air defence is the main thing now and hopefully China can provide intel.

even usa itself cant withstand usaf bombardment for weeks without counter attack ...

our best option is to go to last ladder in first hours or else we can't sustain war with usa

 

[Xerxes22]

Remember what I predicted. Disaster at the Persian Gulf and subsequent plea to Iran for normalization.

 

[Eşbah]

Classical fake news of hibrid war. For the Iraqi government to fall, it took 12 years of war, starting in 1991 and ending in 2003, with Iraq then representing only 5% of present-day Iran(militarily). For the Iranian government to fall, it would take at least 20 years of open warfare.

The conflict with Iran has been ongoing for decades. Making such predictions is entirely unprofessional and simply amounts to propaganda. The dynamics that may emerge during or after a war or uprising are unpredictable. It's possible that the Islamic Republic of Iran could stay in power for many more years, but it's also quite feasible that the central government could swiftly lose control over significant areas of the nation. Both of these predictive arguments hold validity on their own. These uncertainties are not unique to Iran; they represent a broader understanding when conducting such analyses.

One of the secrets of hybrid warfare is to pretend that the event is already happening or is about to happen; the objective of this is to try to force betrayals, surrenders, and corruption in the attacked country.

The Turkish government, along with Pakistan, cannot allow millions of refugees to cross into the country. This is simply not going to happen again after the experience with Syria.

Discussions about a buffer zone do not reflect Turkey’s hostility towards Iran. Every Turkish news outlet is reporting on how Israel and the US are attempting to destabilize Iran and destroy the nation. Conservatives, Leftists, Nationalists and Kemalists are surprisingly united on this front.

Let me remind you that nearly 2.000.000 Iranian refugees came to Türkiye during the Islamic revolution following the Shah's downfall. Most Turkish analysts indicate that there hasn't been a similar dynamic on the ground yet, but they are closely monitoring developments.

It is crucial for both Türkiye and Pakistan to ensure that a centralized government in Iran stays in power. We do not benefit if Iran disintegrates. Anyone who suggests otherwise has ulterior motives. It's a deception. A trap.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Remember what I predicted. Disaster at the Persian Gulf and subsequent plea to Iran for normalization.

no sir, you predicted Armageddon and nothing less!

 

[Bharatah]

The conflict with Iran has been ongoing for decades. Making such predictions is entirely unprofessional and simply amounts to propaganda. The dynamics that may emerge during or after a war or uprising are unpredictable. It's possible that the Islamic Republic of Iran could stay in power for many more years, but it's also quite feasible that the central government could swiftly lose control over significant areas of the nation. Both of these predictive arguments hold validity on their own. These uncertainties are not unique to Iran; they represent a broader understanding when conducting such analyses.



The Turkish government, along with Pakistan, cannot allow millions of refugees to cross into the country. This is simply not going to happen again after the experience with Syria.

Discussions about a buffer zone do not reflect Turkey’s hostility towards Iran. Every Turkish news outlet is reporting on how Israel and the US are attempting to destabilize Iran and destroy the nation. Conservatives, Leftists, Nationalists and Kemalists are surprisingly united on this front.

Let me remind you that nearly 2.000.000 Iranian refugees came to Türkiye during the Islamic revolution following the Shah's downfall. Most Turkish analysts indicate that there hasn't been a similar dynamic on the ground yet, but they are closely monitoring developments.

It is crucial for both Türkiye and Pakistan to ensure that a centralized government in Iran stays in power. We do not benefit if Iran disintegrates. Anyone who suggests otherwise has ulterior motives. It's a deception. A trap.

I respect your opinion, but it contains many analytical errors: the conflict with Iran has been going on for decades, but it's a conflict like with Cuba, China, Russia, etc. To overthrow a government, it has to be either a color revolution (which failed) or open war,
which is not happening with Iran. The Iraqi government took 12 years of open war with daily bombings for 12 consecutive years to fall...and today (25 years later) the US still doesn't control Iraq, just look at the fact that the appointed prime minister is an ally of Iran.

Today's Iran is "5000 times" stronger than Iraq in the 90s, having technologies (like the one that shut down Starlink) that would sound like "Star Wars" to Saddam Hussein's government. Furthermore, the mullahs/ayatollahs control Iraq (where almost 70% of the population is Shiite), a large part of Lebanon, part of Syria (which is a big mess and Assad's departure meant nothing), control Yemen, allies in Sudan, etc. The percentage of the Iranian population that joined the protests doesn't even reach 0.2%!

So it's very difficult for the government to fall, unless there's a surrender or something like that. Shiites see themselves as oppressed and united (similar to what happens with Jews), this way they end up uniting more easily and today there are 350 to 400 million Shiites in the world. Iran today is an effective police state that can stop a CIA/Mossad color revolution in less than 10 days! Note that Bangladesh, Nepal, and others fell easily to these same color revolutions.

The US and Israel will try a "victory narrative" in Iran, Venezuela-style, where they will try to kill/kidnap Kamenei or some military personnel and say they won.

NOTE: Trump said he will now destroy Iran's nuclear program, but he said months ago that he had already destroyed it...they are trying to create a narrative of victory, and to make the Palestinian and anti-Zionist cause lose support.

 

[mythbuster]

The conflict with Iran has been ongoing for decades. Making such predictions is entirely unprofessional and simply amounts to propaganda. The dynamics that may emerge during or after a war or uprising are unpredictable. It's possible that the Islamic Republic of Iran could stay in power for many more years, but it's also quite feasible that the central government could swiftly lose control over significant areas of the nation. Both of these predictive arguments hold validity on their own. These uncertainties are not unique to Iran; they represent a broader understanding when conducting such analyses.



The Turkish government, along with Pakistan, cannot allow millions of refugees to cross into the country. This is simply not going to happen again after the experience with Syria.

Discussions about a buffer zone do not reflect Turkey’s hostility towards Iran. Every Turkish news outlet is reporting on how Israel and the US are attempting to destabilize Iran and destroy the nation. Conservatives, Leftists, Nationalists and Kemalists are surprisingly united on this front.

Let me remind you that nearly 2.000.000 Iranian refugees came to Türkiye during the Islamic revolution following the Shah's downfall. Most Turkish analysts indicate that there hasn't been a similar dynamic on the ground yet, but they are closely monitoring developments.

It is crucial for both Türkiye and Pakistan to ensure that a centralized government in Iran stays in power. We do not benefit if Iran disintegrates. Anyone who suggests otherwise has ulterior motives. It's a deception. A trap.

USA and Israel ain't going to back off until lasting resolution to the Iranian nuclear issue takes place ...real question right now is ! Would Iran be able fend off the attack or is she going to cave in without fighting.

 

[Watandar]

Western three letter agencies bitter at failure of color revolution.

France, Spain signal support to blacklist Iran's Revolutionary Guard

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps could soon be designated as a terrorist organisation in the European Union after France and Spain, the two key hold-outs, signalled a change of mind. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

 

[mythbuster]

I respect your opinion, but it contains many analytical errors: the conflict with Iran has been going on for decades, but it's a conflict like with Cuba, China, Russia, etc. To overthrow a government, it has to be either a color revolution (which failed) or open war,
which is not happening with Iran. The Iraqi government took 12 years of open war with daily bombings for 12 consecutive years to fall...and today (25 years later) the US still doesn't control Iraq, just look at the fact that the appointed prime minister is an ally of Iran.

Today's Iran is "5000 times" stronger than Iraq in the 90s, having technologies (like the one that shut down Starlink) that would sound like "Star Wars" to Saddam Hussein's government. Furthermore, the mullahs/ayatollahs control Iraq (where almost 70% of the population is Shiite), a large part of Lebanon, part of Syria (which is a big mess and Assad's departure meant nothing), control Yemen, allies in Sudan, etc. The percentage of the Iranian population that joined the protests doesn't even reach 0.2%!

So it's very difficult for the government to fall, unless there's a surrender or something like that. Shiites see themselves as oppressed and united (similar to what happens with Jews), this way they end up uniting more easily and today there are 350 to 400 million Shiites in the world. Iran today is an effective police state that can stop a CIA/Mossad color revolution in less than 10 days! Note that Bangladesh, Nepal, and others fell easily to these same color revolutions.

The US and Israel will try a "victory narrative" in Iran, Venezuela-style, where they will try to kill/kidnap Kamenei or some military personnel and say they won.

NOTE: Trump said he will now destroy Iran's nuclear program, but he said months ago that he had already destroyed it...they are trying to create a narrative of victory, and to make the Palestinian and anti-Zionist cause lose support.

Shias of Lebanon ,Syria , Iraq and houthis etc are spent forces ... banking on them is like angels descending from heaven to help Iran .