Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ChineseTiger1986]

The discussion is not about trust.

China is afraid to act against the United States and NATO. This is something the whole world has seen in the past few years.

This is why China cannot be a world superpower like the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union is dead over 3 decades, and Russia can't even win the Ukrainian war without China.

Only China can provide the full supply chain for Russia to assemble million of drones and unlimited supply of legacy chips.

You guys can keep whining how China is not directly fighting the US on your behalf, but even the MAGA propagandists have confirmed that China is mobilizing a lot of cargo planes to assist Iran for the incoming invasion.

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Yep, just keep bashing China, meanwhile China has to bypass all sanctions to come for rescue, just like Huawei has done last time.

 

[Immortals]

You should know that the Covid-19 was a bio attack on both China and Iran, yet you blame solely on us.

COVID-19 escaped a well known Wuhan lab that was studying the coronavirus family.

So tell me again how US used CV-19 on iran and china?

Sounds like propaganda to cover up Chinese disregard at following properly protocols.

 

[StrategicBear]

China's DF-27 and 6th gen aircrafts are the proof that China can fully cover the Persian Gulf.

But we are more timid than the US or Russia who are naturally more aggressive and fight a war without thinking about the consequence, and often overestimating their own capability.

Because their policy is : Fight first and think about the consequences later.

Fortune favors the bold, and sometimes it is China's own cowardice in war that will cost China a lot.

 

[Avicenna]

China only has fewer aircraft carriers compared to the US, but its destroyer/cruiser number and nuclear submarine numbers are getting closer and set to surpass the US within a decade.

China’s Nuclear Submarine Fleet Overtakes Russia’s as Production Surge Expands Numbers

The latest estimates for the size of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy’s nuclear powered submarine fleet indicate that it has overtaken that of the Russian

militarywatchmagazine.com

In the meantime, the US lacks the hypersonic capability of China.

China sure can protect Iran from the US invasion, but the problem is that Iran doesn't like China nor they fully trust China, same for China.

Not to de-rail the thread. But PLAN really can't do much to USN in West Asia at this time.
Chinese nuclear submarines are far inferior to US subs. New Type 93B just coming online and it will take time to achieve full operational capbility. Second batch of Type 55 not commissioned yet. Type 52D are rolling out but maybe number around 30-35. The real capability boost will come when Type 004 is commisioned and if PLAN is able to churn out the 6 carriers that have been projected by 2035. Not to mention a more mature carrier aviation force. So until then China is limited in the support it can provide even it it wanted too. (Which it doesn't).

Iran is essentially on its own.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

COVID-19 escaped a well known Wuhan lab that was studying the coronavirus family.

So tell me again how US used CV-19 on iran and china?

Sounds like propaganda to cover up Chinese disregard at following properly protocols.

Because people like you have convinced the Chinese people that Iran was/is/will never be a China-friendly country.

You should capitulate to the US, and stop pretending that you are the only hero in the world to resist the US imperialism.

 

[wangdefa]

The Soviet Union is dead over 3 decades, and Russia can't even win the Ukrainian war without China.

Only China can provide the full supply chain for Russia to assemble million of drones and unlimited supply of legacy chips.

You guys keep bashing here, but even the MAGA propagandists have confirmed that China is mobilize all cargo planes to assist Iran for the incoming invasion.

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Yep, just keep bashing China, meanwhile China has to bypass all sanctions to come for rescue, just like Huawei has done last time.

I'm tired of this pointless argument. I don't care what they think. Their only support is on the internet. Why do you care?
It's pointless for you to argue with them, they'll only ask for help and moral demands, and you can't convince them on their side.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Because their policy is : Fight first and think about the consequences later.

Fortune favors the bold, and sometimes it is China's own cowardice in war that will cost China a lot.

So China should fight directly the US on behalf of those countries who don't even like us?

China has its own moral principles to support Iran, but sometimes don't ask too much from us.

 

[Mehdipersian]

The Soviet Union is dead over 3 decades, and Russia can't even win the Ukrainian war without China.

Only China can provide the full supply chain for Russia to assemble million of drones and unlimited supply of legacy chips.

You guys can keep whining how China is not directly fighting the US on your behalf, but even the MAGA propagandists have confirmed that China is mobilizing a lot of cargo planes to assist Iran for the incoming invasion.

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Yep, just keep bashing China, meanwhile China has to bypass all sanctions to come for rescue, just like Huawei has done last time.

We don't need you to fight for us. I just stated a fact that you would rather not accept. North Korea has given more military aid to Russia than China. These things you said were just economic opportunities for Chinese companies in the war and have nothing to do with China's military policies.

 

[Immortals]

previously it thought it could play a game of trading blows but now it realises its existence is at stake, so it will no longer play by old rules, and it knows it needs to give everything it has to have any chance of establishing some form of deterrence

or as you say we are being too optimistic with this new copium and IRI will be surprised again

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Probably the best analysis by Ali Vaez. Too bad most fanboys here will ignore it.

 

[ety]

I'm thinking China (PLAN)is about a decade away from this capability.

I wonder why Iran wouldn't allow China to have a base eg. Chabahar in exchange for more material support.

Iran bet on the wrong horse (India).

I don't think Iranians would allow China or any other country to have a military base in their lands. Iran's foremost strategic partners are Russia and India, China comes only after and is more about economic affairs. Besides, China at present time doesn't really need military bases in the Mideast as Chinese navy doesn't patrol in the water surrounding the region.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I'm tired of this pointless argument. I don't care what they think. Their only support is on the internet. Why do you care?

China is willing to help, but China is coward for not directly fighting the US to protect Iran.

Yet some Iranians here think what we were responsible for intoxicating Iran with the Covid-19.

However, even most Chinese are questioning about the worthiness of helping Iran, the Chinese government is still willing to make the commitment for Iran.

Because they have been scored by Trump on Venezuela, and they don't want to lose more face on Iran.

 

[wangdefa]

We don't need you to fight for us. I just stated a fact that you would rather not accept. North Korea has given more military aid to Russia than China. These things you said were just economic opportunities for Chinese companies in the war and have nothing to do with China's military policies.

Since you mentioned North Korea, Russia has military agreements with both Iran and North Korea, why is it only North Korea that helps Russia under the military treaty? What is Iran's role in the deal?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not to de-rail the thread. But PLAN really can't do much to USN in West Asia at this time.
Chinese nuclear submarines are far inferior to US subs. New Type 93B just coming online and it will take time to achieve full operational capbility. Second batch of Type 55 not commissioned yet. Type 52D are rolling out but maybe number around 30-35. The real capability boost will come when Type 004 is commisioned and if PLAN is able to churn out the 6 carriers that have been projected by 2035. Not to mention a more mature carrier aviation force. So until then China is limited in the support it can provide even it it wanted too. (Which it doesn't).

Iran is essentially on its own.

The US submarines can't even use the most high grade heavy rare earth from China, yet do you truly believe they are superior to the Chinese counterparts?

Instead of questioning China's capability, most questions lie with Iran itself.

 

[wangdefa]

China is willing to help, but China is coward for not directly fighting the US to protect Iran.

Yet some Iranians here think what we were responsible for intoxicating Iran with the Covid-19.

However, even most Chinese are questioning about the worthiness of helping Iran, the Chinese government is still willing to make the commitment for Iran.

Because they have been scored by Trump on Venezuela, and they don't want to lose more face on Iran.

Brother, it doesn't matter, just as we can't tell whether the other person is a native Iranian or an Iranian living in the West, we can't tell, and we don't care about the other person's opinion, it's meaningless.

 

[Avicenna]

The US submarines can't even use the most high grade heavy rare earth from China, yet do you truly believe they are superior to the Chinese counterparts?

Instead of questioning China's capability, most questions lie with Iran itself.

I agree Iran has really screwed things up for itself.

But yes, USN SSN/SSGN/SSBN are FAAAR more capable than Chinese ones.

What China may or maynot realize is that once Europe and West Asia have been taken care of....East Asia is next.