Turkey Greece Relations and Maritime Disputes

[MMM-E]

The best example for Turkish claims according to UNCLOS article 74 and 83

 

[Foinikas]

Read UNCLOS article 74 and 83

Tamam...we're running in circles again. You didn't read a single thing I posted.

 

[hyperman]

And you have more than enough see to be content and you also claim you've found huge reserves of gas,yes in the Black Sea. So if one takes that into consideration,demanding the Aegean all of a sudden clearly shows Turkey is the greedy one here.

Turkey isn't the one being greedy over one small tiny island and saying because of that anything east of Rhodes is all Greece.

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey isn't the one being greedy over one small tiny island and saying because of that anything east of Rhodes is all Greece.

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[hyperman]

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ok this map for EEZ, no EEZ declared in Aegean, and no EEZ for Kastelorizo/Meis



and this map for 6 miles for current status quo for freedom of navigation

 

[Foinikas]

ok this map for EEZ, no EEZ declared in Aegean, and no EEZ for Kastelorizo/Meis

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and this map for 6 miles for current status quo for freedom of navigation

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For the first map: Turkey hasn't signed UNCLOS and therefore can't claim a 200 mile EEZ. Not to mention your EEZ that supposedly reaches Libya's,exceeds 200 miles and goes beyond 300 if we start from Kas.


For the two other maps,like the professor said:

Geography, State Borders, and International Law restrict Turkey’s maritime access and limit its sovereignty de jure and de facto only to a “shallow” part of the Aegean Sea across the western coast of Anatolia.

 

[hyperman]

For the first map: Turkey hasn't signed UNCLOS and therefore can't claim a 200 mile EEZ. Not to mention your EEZ that supposedly reaches Libya's,exceeds 200 miles and goes beyond 300 if we start from Kas.

Thats because its done on a bilateral basis. Libya is not a party to this convention either.

For the two other maps,like the professor said:

Your Daddy can say whatever he wants. What is the status quo will remain the status quo(And on this matter Turkey has been explicit, it will go to war to protect its right to navigation), and the current status quo is that Turkey is able to sail warships ships independent of anything from Greece.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Best solution

 

[Foinikas]

Thats because its done on a bilateral basis. Libya is not a party to this convention either.

What's done on a bilateral basis,you're claiming a 300+ nm zone here even without being part of UNCLOS.

Your Daddy can say whatever he wants.

What daddy?! Who?

Geography, State Borders, and International Law restrict Turkey’s maritime access and limit its sovereignty de jure and de facto only to a “shallow” part of the Aegean Sea across the western coast of Anatolia.

This above has been an established fact since the Treaty of Lausanne. Open any official map you want,you'll see it's true. You've been ok with it for more than 50 years,all of a sudden you got a hardon to grab a few islands,grab half the Aegean,maybe expand to Libya. And you're willfully,you personally and Turkey as a government,ignore the above which is an objective fact,denying logic for expansionist and maximalist demands.

 

[Foinikas]

Best solution


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Ya Farhan,that's like saying

Astola and the small island near Karachi(Mubarak?) are Pakistani,but all the rest is Indian behind them.



Or simply



India's Yellow Doctrine.

Can you imagine that? Can you imagine Modi coming out and saying "We are a peaceful nation,we only want peace and our rights. Hey Pakistan,meet us in the middle! Let's share the wealth of this region! Don't be stupid! Don't listen to foreign Chinese masters! Don't be a puppet! We only want what is ours by right. Let's share the wealth together,let's make the Arabian Sea a sea of peace!"



That's how it is.

 

[hyperman]

What's done on a bilateral basis

you understand what Bilateral means? lol

What daddy?! Who?

your "professor" or whoever you cite

grab a few islands

Turkey doesn't want Islands, it wants the EEZ and it wants freedom of Navigation. But if you insist only those with islands can have EEZ and Freedom of Navigation, then Turkey will have to acquire Islands. Don't want to have Turkey acquring Islands? They don't insist on Kastelerizzo EEZ, and don't insist on more than 6 miles in the Aegean.

 

[Foinikas]

you understand what Bilateral means? lol

LOL I UNDERSTAND LOL

What I don't understand is what needs a biletareal agreement? You're claiming an EEZ that bigger than even the maximum one allowed by UNCLOS.

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey doesn't want Islands, it wants the EEZ and it wants freedom of Navigation

And we move to this part

4) Finally, the very theory and policy of the so-called Turkish “Azure Homeland” (Mavi Vatan) is offensive through a simple juxtaposition to the map. Such a hypothetical, intolerable to Greece and Cyprus, Turkish EEZ would “engulf” hundreds of Greek islands and almost the entire Cypriot EEZ!

The possibility of the Aegean Greek islands and Cyprus merely “floating” upon a “Turkish” sea is unrealistic beyond any reasonable doubt.

A possible “encapsulation” of several hundred densely packed foreign islands into a foreign EEZ is a fallacy by definition in stark contrast to any principle or provision of International Law.

Such likelihood becomes an illusion because in International Law no regulation exists that allows for a foreign opposite or adjacent coastline to extend its EEZ over and beyond a whole foreign chain of islands. That would be to the detriment of all the intermediate foreign islands. Practically, whole clusters and groups of Greek islands would be separated and cut off from the rest of the Greek national territory, even though they are geographically inseparable from each other and the Greek mainland.

But if you insist only those with islands can have EEZ and Freedom of Navigation, then Turkey will have to acquire Islands. Don't want to have Turkey acquring Islands? They don't insist on Kastelerizzo EEZ, and don't insist on more than 6 miles in the Aegean.

And at last,once again,we reach the main argument of Turkish diplomacy! The true argument,the real argument,the bottom of it,the essence of the entire discussion,the truth behind the charade:

"You either give us what we want or we take what we want".



Take lessons @hasssanali8998 @Ali_Baba @FarhanSiddiqui this is the bottomline of every Turkish argument.

 

[Faithfulguy]

So is gyro Greek or Turkish? How about make it Russian so there won’t be a fight

 

[hyperman]

And we move to this part

4) Finally, the very theory and policy of the so-called Turkish “Azure Homeland” (Mavi Vatan) is offensive through a simple juxtaposition to the map. Such a hypothetical, intolerable to Greece and Cyprus, Turkish EEZ would “engulf” hundreds of Greek islands and almost the entire Cypriot EEZ!

The possibility of the Aegean Greek islands and Cyprus merely “floating” upon a “Turkish” sea is unrealistic beyond any reasonable doubt.

A possible “encapsulation” of several hundred densely packed foreign islands into a foreign EEZ is a fallacy by definition in stark contrast to any principle or provision of International Law.

Such likelihood becomes an illusion because in International Law no regulation exists that allows for a foreign opposite or adjacent coastline to extend its EEZ over and beyond a whole foreign chain of islands. That would be to the detriment of all the intermediate foreign islands. Practically, whole clusters and groups of Greek islands would be separated and cut off from the rest of the Greek national territory, even though they are geographically inseparable from each other and the Greek mainland.



And at last,once again,we reach the main argument of Turkish diplomacy! The true argument,the real argument,the bottom of it,the essence of the entire discussion,the truth behind the charade:

"You either give us what we want or we take what we want".

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Take lessons @hasssanali8998 @Ali_Baba @FarhanSiddiqui this is the bottomline of every Turkish argument.

You expect Turkey to yeild you the entire eastern Mediterranean over some tiny speck of dust?

You choose, either No EEZ for Kastellerizo.... or if you insist that Kastellerizo has an EEZ, then Turkey has to acquire Meis.



No EEZ east of Rhodes. ok? lol otherwise

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There is nice mosque on that tiny little rock off the coast of Anatolia, maybe we come renovate it. lol