Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Emirzad said:
Strike comprised of following can get through the AD shield of ships:

- Persian Gulf or Zolfaghar-Basir (EO guided AShBM) (700 KM)
- Fattah-1 hypersonic N version (1600 KM)
- Abu-Mahdi AShCM (1000 KM)
- Shahed-238 Turbojet drones or Karrar drones (can reach 0.8 Mach)
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Does Fattah-1(or any other long range ballistic missile that they want to throw at the USN) have terminal guidance to direct itself towards a ship? A missile based solely in CEP is not going to hit much of value. We saw this in the war with Israel, and that was against static targets with known locations at the time.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Does Fattah-1(or any other long range ballistic missile that they want to throw at the USN) have terminal guidance to direct itself towards a ship? A missile based solely in CEP is not going to hit much of value. We saw this in the war with Israel, and that was against static targets with known locations at the time.
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Terminal guidance shouldn't be a big issue with seeker onboard. Real challenge is midcourse correction.

and yeah hitting a target moving at 60 km/hr and 1000 kilometers away is FAR more difficult and challenging than a static fix ground target.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Does Fattah-1(or any other long range ballistic missile that they want to throw at the USN) have terminal guidance to direct itself towards a ship? A missile based solely in CEP is not going to hit much of value. We saw this in the war with Israel, and that was against static targets with known locations at the time.
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Persian Gulf missile and Baseer both have EO sensors for the terminal phase.
I don't think Fattah-1 can target an aircraft carrier, but aircraft carriers are really slow moving objects with predictable path in a short span of time (3-5 minutes).

You're talking about something that weighs 110,000 tons and its top speed is barely 60 km/h. It would take minutes for such a huge vessel to change course in a meaningful way.
 
Amongst all the news about war and revolution a new cultural phenomena (Renaissance) is occuring in Iran which is entirely organic...Iranians who have lost relatives in the massacre of this January do not bury their dead in the "Islamic" fashion..they do not call them "Shaheed" they call them (Javeed nam) meaning "eternal name" ..they do not veil but they dance in the funerals..all of this to convey the message that they hold "islam" responsible for the calamity that has befallen on their nation by the islamic republic..This cultural "Renaissance" is spreading fast amongst the population and has been noticed by the BBC in the following clip...

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As I said earlier many times, this operation is being done only on demands of Israel. US has no threat against Iranian missile program and they don't care about protestors. Those were just the excuses.

Here they clearly saying, real objective of operation is Iran getting its missile production sites bombed. It will be good to see regime gone but that is not the objective of the operation:

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So, nuclear weapons and killing protestors are only lame excuses for this operation. Real objective was only one and that is go after that ballistic missile program.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Does Fattah-1(or any other long range ballistic missile that they want to throw at the USN) have terminal guidance to direct itself towards a ship? A missile based solely in CEP is not going to hit much of value. We saw this in the war with Israel, and that was against static targets with known locations at the time.
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It would be this missiles I think they showed one not to long ago with EO capabilities the only downside it slows down when coming down but other than that can hit moving targets even if they can’t destroy an aircraft carrier outright you devastate the deck of a carrier what the point of using it
 
Watandar said:
If by "they" you had meant the US/Israel and by "proxy" you had meant Pakistan or Turkey or GCC then you would have been correct. People living in glass houses should not be throwing stones. Let's return to the topic.
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And the hate continues. What a pity. This is the topic. Continue with this attitude and the entire region will celebrate your dismantling. Go back to your roots, build relations with all the countries reaching out to you and you will have a much better chance at prospering. For now its as Malik Shabaz said the chickens are coming home to roost.

The Pakistanis you keep mocking, in their own forum no less, have been some of the greatest defenders of Iran's interest despite Iran repeatedly betraying them, attacking them and hosting their enemies the Indians.

Either way countries with delusion of past imperial glories often do poorly in protecting the genuine interests of their people.
 
ShapurII said:
Persian Gulf missile and Baseer both have EO sensors for the terminal phase.
I don't think Fattah-1 can target an aircraft carrier, but aircraft carriers are really slow moving objects with predictable path in a short span of time (3-5 minutes).

You're talking about something that weighs 110,000 tons and its top speed is barely 60 km/h. It would take minutes for such a huge vessel to change course in a meaningful way.
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the hypersonic is the only one with a chance of reaching the CVN without interception, the others are not getting past the SM3 with or without EO sensors
 
جوبا said:
the hypersonic is the only one with a chance of reaching the CVN without interception, the others are not getting past the SM3 with or without EO sensors
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I think anything that barely works can be fatal when it is mass-produced and fired to the level of overmatch. But I don't think that Iran has reached that level yet. Most of us thought we had, but the 12-day war suggested otherwise.
 
Serendipity said:
And the hate continues. What a pity. This is the topic. Continue with this attitude and the entire region will celebrate your dismantling. Go back to your roots, build relations with all the countries reaching out to you and you will have a much better chance at prospering. For now its as Malik Shabaz said the chickens are coming home to roost.

The Pakistanis you keep mocking, in their own forum no less, have been some of the greatest defenders of Iran's interest despite Iran repeatedly betraying them, attacking them and hosting their enemies the Indians.

Either way countries with delusion of past imperial glories often do poorly in protecting the genuine interests of their people.
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So brainwashed you cannot even see your own hypocrisy. Please spare us your blah blah blah and stick to the topic at hand.
 
ShapurII said:
Is that why the regime had to shut down the internet for 3 weeks, and kill 3K people and injure 25K people (per their own official statistics) in just 2 days to suppress the pro-Pahlavi protests? lol Like it or not, Pahlavi is by far the most popular choice. He has millions of supporters inside and outside Iran.

People hate the IRGC right now. If you think after January protests, people will support the IRGC, you are wrong. Majority of Iranians are waiting for the US to bomb Iran. You just need to talk to Iranians on Instagram, YouTube, reddit, X, or even your co-workers. They are even calling for the US to take action against the regime in Iran and you think Iranians want the IRGC to continue their plundering of our wealth for the Arabs in Palestine and Lebanon? You can't mean that.

There is no balkanization of Iran at this point. If anything, I would be afraid of the Balkanization of Iran by a regime that has always prioritized Islam and Arabs over national interests of Iran.
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This is interesting. But rather stupid.
 
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It would be difficult to overmatch a USN carrier group, given that it has jets that can protect it from everything but "ballistic, and hypersonic missiles".

All of the slow moving cruise missiles, etc can be intercepted by jets in the first tier of defence before relying on the cruisers to defend the carrier, and then the CIWS.

If this does turn into a hot war, then we will see how effective this layered defence of a carrier group can be. Alot of military lessons for everyone.
 
ShapurII said:
Persian Gulf missile and Baseer both have EO sensors for the terminal phase.
I don't think Fattah-1 can target an aircraft carrier, but aircraft carriers are really slow moving objects with predictable path in a short span of time (3-5 minutes).

You're talking about something that weighs 110,000 tons and its top speed is barely 60 km/h. It would take minutes for such a huge vessel to change course in a meaningful way.
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These things can turn very aggressively.
 
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