Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kastor ville]

I could never by default and let me disengage from discussion, also thank you for your time and effort trying to clarify your positions for me, although i disagree with lot of it i appreciate courtesy.

Now, this a model discourse.....I need to learn how to debate like you, brother. This is the way............

 

[SolarWarden]

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BREAKING: President Trump just CALLED OUT Fake News about whether he will strike IranBottom line: NOBODY in the press knows what Trump will do, and when, ahead of time. PERIOD."Numerous stories from the Fake News Media have been circulating stating that General Daniel Caine, sometimes referred to as Razin, is against us going to War with Iran.""The story does not attribute this vast wealth of knowledge to anyone, and is 100% incorrect. General Caine, like all of us, would like not to see War but, if a decision is made on going against Iran at a Military level, it is his opinion that it will be something easily won.""He knows Iran well in that he was in charge of Midnight Hammer, the attack on the Iranian Nuclear Development. It is a Development no longer, but rather, was blown to smithereens by our Great B-2 Bombers. Razin Caine is a Great Fighter, and represents the Most Powerful Military anywhere in the World.""He has not spoken of not doing Iran, or even the fake limited strikes that I have been reading about, he only knows one thing, how to WIN and, if he is told to do so, he will be leading the pack.""Everything that has been written about a potential War with Iran has been written incorrectly, and purposefully so.""I am the one that makes the decision, I would rather have a Deal than not but, if we don’t make a Deal, it will be a very bad day for that Country and, very sadly, its people, because they are great and wonderful, and something like this should never have happened to them."

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[aerospace_enthusiast_newb]

I'm talking about currently. The biggest militant group with the most amount of fighters and resources are the PJAK and other Kurdish militant groups, all are based out of Iraq and use Iraq to set up operations.

The Israelis and the US have a base in the KRG, and until recently in Al Asad airbase.

The largest amounts of infiltrations happen on the Iraqi border.

As far as I know, the U.S. has several times prevented the Iraqis from purchasing an air defense system. They threatened sanctions against Iraq when they wanted to purchase the Russian S-300 and S-400. They refused to sell Patriot or THAAD. They also threatened sanctions against Iraq for trying to purchase Chinese systems.

Last I read was that the Iraqis were finally allowed to purchase an air defense system...from South Korea. Sources:

Iraq leans on Korea in arms shift from U.S., Russia.

Could Iraq's new South Korean air defences become a target for Israel?

Relevance to the topic: According to the Iraqi Min of Def, the system should be delivered by Q1 2026, and possibly fully integrated by Q2 2026. This is directly relevant to possible Israeli campaign against Iran.

From the article:

Iraq expects to receive the medium-range KM-SAM air defence missile systems it ordered from South Korea by early 2026. At the same time, Baghdad has asserted it won’t allow Israel to use Iraqi airspace to bomb Iran again.

Iraq’s military announced in September that it would introduce the KM-SAM into service early next year. That acquisition will mark a substantial upgrade of Iraq’s existing short and medium-range American-made AN/TWQ-1 Avenger and Russian-made Pantsir-S1 systems.

Shortly after that announcement, Iraqi National Security Advisor Qasim al-Araji declared that Baghdad would ensure Israel doesn’t use Iraqi airspace in another air war against Iran.

Israeli warplanes repeatedly passed through Iraqi airspace during the June 12-day war. On 20 June, Iraq complained to the UN that 50 Israeli jets had violated its airspace earlier that day.

If another Israel-Iran war breaks out after Iraq acquires KM-SAMs, Baghdad would theoretically have a much greater capability against Israeli aircraft operating in Iraqi airspace.

Also from the same article:

“Iran has spared Iraq from the conflict with Israel, as Iraq’s oil-dependent economy is currently the only sanctions-free source of funds and trade for Tehran,” he said. “The protection of this precious but vulnerable economic infrastructure in Iraq is at the forefront of Iran’s policy to avoid a conflict with Israel.”

With or without Baghdad’s approval, PMF militias could easily be ordered to join the Houthis, Hezbollah, and the IRGC, and the Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani could do virtually nothing to stop it, according to Sagnic.

This policy is “best reflected” in the recent release of Elizabeth Tsurkov, the Israeli hostage held by the Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah in Iraq.

“In short, the central Iraqi government would undoubtedly want to avoid a conflict with Israel,” he said. “But the decision to do so was made in Tehran, not Baghdad.”

The question is: What would prevent the Israelis from striking them or knocking them out?

 

[maverick]

As far as I know, the U.S. has several times prevented the Iraqis from purchasing an air defense system. They threatened sanctions against Iraq when they wanted to purchase the Russian S-300 and S-400. They refused to sell Patriot or THAAD. They also threatened sanctions against Iraq for trying to purchase Chinese systems.

Last I read was that the Iraqis were finally allowed to purchase an air defense system...from South Korea. Sources:

Iraq leans on Korea in arms shift from U.S., Russia.

Could Iraq's new South Korean air defences become a target for Israel?

Relevance to the topic: According to the Iraqi Min of Def, the system should be delivered by Q1 2026, and possibly fully integrated by Q2 2026. This is directly relevant to possible Israeli campaign against Iran.

From the article:


Also from the same article:


The question is: What would prevent the Israelis from striking them or knocking them out?

poor iraq, trying to be an independent state, everyone know they will never be able to build their military ever again

 

[hyperman]

To be fair iraqs government isn’t part of the actual resistance are the Iraqi groups going to go to war over a small amount of troops in Iraq that aren’t threatening them sorry same could be said about a few hundred idf in Syria is Syrias army going to go to war to kick out a few hundred troops that have taken territory past the golan heights line I don’t think that’s happening any time soon.

Iran has way to many infiltration on its borders agree they should be doing a better job but ama expulsion be said about Pakistan Egypt Syria and yes even turkey from time to time.

Didn’t qatars own airspace get violated by Israel in an attack. Iraq is weak and much of north iraq is still controlled by Kurds who wouldn’t bat an eye if Iran is attacked since let’s assume most of those flights were flown from Syria through northern Iraq.

Thats not an excuse, the shia are a majority and the ones who run govt. The "resistance" groups form the govt. There is no excuse for them to not have soverignty over their airspace via buying Air Defense systems from Russia or China, or fighter jets for air patrols.

The reality is Post Saddam Iraq is a joke. The revenue from oil sales go to the US and the US gives Iraq stipends as payments. The govt of Iraq was established by the United States, so its to no one surprise that its weak.

There is no excuse for not having an air force and not buying fighter jets from China, there is no excuse b/c its almost 25 years since Saddam believe it or not. And still no air force and no air defense. They have the oil so money should not be an issue. Its incompetence and kleptocracy.

 

[kastor ville]

Strange he does that with people he despises almost every time.

Mark Levin the very poster of the kind of people who have ruined America....they've stolen the country...period.
They say they're 2.4% of the population, but look at the billionaire list....look at the heads of Wall Street.....look at the CEOs in tech....the biggest thing in the next few decades will be AI....Anthropic CEO and OpenAI both have zios at the helm....FB, Instagram, Google, Youtube, TikTok...Snapchat.....CNN, Paramount, Disney, ABC, Recently departed NBC ceo....all Jews. Coincidence? Yeah, right.

PS: I forgot about the cabinet....oh lord! Rubio is Miriam Adelson's Cuban pool boy...Radcliffe head of the CIA.....Hegseth, Sec of war...lololol. Btw, do you think Hegseth the weekend anchor at Fox being the Sec of war is a coincidence? Lol....the guy has the word kafir tattooed on his arm. He was probably pushed on Trump by Kushner. Now, add in the fired Sec Advisor Mike Waltz and ex Netanyahu campaign head Susy Wiles and you begin to see how deep the rabbit hole really is.....almost the entire cabinet is hand picked by AIPAC. One last clue....who is negotiating with Iran?
Witkoff and Kushner.....2 Jews with zero diplomatic and nuclear experience.....had enough yet?

 

[hyperman]

As far as I know, the U.S. has several times prevented the Iraqis from purchasing an air defense system. They threatened sanctions against Iraq when they wanted to purchase the Russian S-300 and S-400. They refused to sell Patriot or THAAD. They also threatened sanctions against Iraq for trying to purchase Chinese systems.

Last I read was that the Iraqis were finally allowed to purchase an air defense system...from South Korea. Sources:

Iraq leans on Korea in arms shift from U.S., Russia.

Could Iraq's new South Korean air defences become a target for Israel?

Relevance to the topic: According to the Iraqi Min of Def, the system should be delivered by Q1 2026, and possibly fully integrated by Q2 2026. This is directly relevant to possible Israeli campaign against Iran.

From the article:


Also from the same article:


The question is: What would prevent the Israelis from striking them or knocking them out?

Can I get the source on the threat regarding China. Russia of course will lead to CAATSA but China I would be surprised, especially when China is actually a partner that can counter balance the US both in terms of military equipment and economics.

At best its neglagence and incompetence, at worst its outright quisling behavior.

 

[sutton9999]

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/how-us-controls-iraqs-oil-revenues-2026-01-23/

Iraq oil income is controlled by USA.

 

[Falcon29]

@F22_Raptor @AZ_HighCountry

So we do have a munitions shortage largely attributed to immense munition transfers to Israel, primarily for their destructive campaign in Gaza that served no military purpose

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[aerospace_enthusiast_newb]

@F22_Raptor @AZ_HighCountry

So we do have a munitions shortage largely attributed to immense munition transfers to Israel, primarily for their destructive campaign in Gaza that served no military purpose

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False. SM-2, SM-3 and SM-6 are defensive interceptors. They are not offensive weapons. That means they were used in order to intercept projectiles coming from the Houthis in Yemen and from the Iranians during the 12-day war. Nothing to do with the munitions dropped on Gaza. If neither the Houthis nor Iran had fired ballistic missiles on Israel, the U.S. wouldn't be in a shortage right now. Has nothing to do with Gaza or Hamas.

 

[Falcon29]

False. SM-2, SM-3 and SM-6 are defensive interceptors. They are not offensive weapons. That means they were used in order to intercept projectiles coming from the Houthis in Yemen and from the Iranians during the 12-day war. Nothing to do with the munitions dropped on Gaza. If neither the Houthis nor Iran had fired ballistic missiles on Israel, the U.S. wouldn't be in a shortage right now. Has nothing to do with Gaza or Hamas.

Houthis were firing at Red Sea and Israel because of Gaza. US then did a two month campaign in Yemen. US was also shooting down munitions fired from Iraq which were fired partially for Gaza and part for Lebanon. Lebanon was firing at Israel because of Gaza. It all largely traces back to Gaza with exception of 12 day war which was more about striking Iranian nuclear program.

We could have told Israel to manage its own defense needs. It would incur more casualties, so what ? Now we have a shortage because we don't want Israelis to incur any casualties. But Ukranians can get slaughtered. Only Israel has that privilege.

There is also a shortage of offensive munitions. Because we have Israel around 30,000-100,000 jdam/gbu bombs to drop on tiny Gaza which is basically a concentration camp.

 

[F.O.X]

And what makes you think that you know our real enemy better than us?
What makes you an expert, or even qualified, to talk about Iran's enemies and friends?

Please dont take it the wrong way, but had you known your real enemies you would have cleaned house first. each and every section of your gov & army is infested with mossad & CIA bugs. you can continue lobbing missiles at israel but it is of no affect if they can take out your entire command chain in a single strike.

 

[kastor ville]

BREAKING: President Trump just CALLED OUT Fake News about whether he will strike IranBottom line: NOBODY in the press knows what Trump will do, and when, ahead of time. PERIOD."Numerous stories from the Fake News Media have been circulating stating that General Daniel Caine, sometimes referred to as Razin, is against us going to War with Iran.""The story does not attribute this vast wealth of knowledge to anyone, and is 100% incorrect. General Caine, like all of us, would like not to see War but, if a decision is made on going against Iran at a Military level, it is his opinion that it will be something easily won.""He knows Iran well in that he was in charge of Midnight Hammer, the attack on the Iranian Nuclear Development. It is a Development no longer, but rather, was blown to smithereens by our Great B-2 Bombers. Razin Caine is a Great Fighter, and represents the Most Powerful Military anywhere in the World.""He has not spoken of not doing Iran, or even the fake limited strikes that I have been reading about, he only knows one thing, how to WIN and, if he is told to do so, he will be leading the pack.""Everything that has been written about a potential War with Iran has been written incorrectly, and purposefully so.""I am the one that makes the decision, I would rather have a Deal than not but, if we don’t make a Deal, it will be a very bad day for that Country and, very sadly, its people, because they are great and wonderful, and something like this should never have happened to them."

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If I may toot my horn....I went on record on here saying, it looks like it ain't happening....days before any news or talking head said it on the net or MSM. I used Trump as the man for my justification.....I've said it many times, you have to know your adversary. Trump doesn't want a long, protracted, costly war....he likes, quick wins. Well, this is not it.

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[lightning f57]

BREAKING: President Trump just CALLED OUT Fake News about whether he will strike IranBottom line: NOBODY in the press knows what Trump will do, and when, ahead of time. PERIOD."Numerous stories from the Fake News Media have been circulating stating that General Daniel Caine, sometimes referred to as Razin, is against us going to War with Iran.""The story does not attribute this vast wealth of knowledge to anyone, and is 100% incorrect. General Caine, like all of us, would like not to see War but, if a decision is made on going against Iran at a Military level, it is his opinion that it will be something easily won.""He knows Iran well in that he was in charge of Midnight Hammer, the attack on the Iranian Nuclear Development. It is a Development no longer, but rather, was blown to smithereens by our Great B-2 Bombers. Razin Caine is a Great Fighter, and represents the Most Powerful Military anywhere in the World.""He has not spoken of not doing Iran, or even the fake limited strikes that I have been reading about, he only knows one thing, how to WIN and, if he is told to do so, he will be leading the pack.""Everything that has been written about a potential War with Iran has been written incorrectly, and purposefully so.""I am the one that makes the decision, I would rather have a Deal than not but, if we don’t make a Deal, it will be a very bad day for that Country and, very sadly, its people, because they are great and wonderful, and something like this should never have happened to them."

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Which means it has truth in it. Serial liar trumpy only speaks up like this when his trying suppress truth.

 

[mulj]

As far as I know, the U.S. has several times prevented the Iraqis from purchasing an air defense system. They threatened sanctions against Iraq when they wanted to purchase the Russian S-300 and S-400. They refused to sell Patriot or THAAD. They also threatened sanctions against Iraq for trying to purchase Chinese systems.

Last I read was that the Iraqis were finally allowed to purchase an air defense system...from South Korea. Sources:

Iraq leans on Korea in arms shift from U.S., Russia.

Could Iraq's new South Korean air defences become a target for Israel?

Relevance to the topic: According to the Iraqi Min of Def, the system should be delivered by Q1 2026, and possibly fully integrated by Q2 2026. This is directly relevant to possible Israeli campaign against Iran.

From the article:


Also from the same article:


The question is: What would prevent the Israelis from striking them or knocking them out?

Nothing, Iraq is not a state at all, their money is new york and they have to listen americans to the last word.