Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Bratva]

That guy is "Shah say zyada Shah ka wafadaar" as it goes in Urdu

Here comes more empty and emotiona rehtoric which has zero bearing on WAR. It is pity to see how people just devolve into it when they can't argue properly

 

[Meengla]

So there is no way back now?
Like a do or die situation for Iranian nation.

No going back for Iran! Israelis have expressed desire to turn Iran into another fragmented nation or at the least destroy so much that the Iranians would be rebuilding their nation for 10-20 years. Israelis don't want to risk a stable Iran under the Shah at this point.

Pity is that iranian constant support for armed resistance against Israel has complicated the Palestinian issue also.
This Rocket approach has killed any chance of israelo -palestinian deal.

I think Israelis would have made Peace with Palestinians but unfortunately the Israeli politics is too dominated by Netanyahu for too long. Netanyahu is the ultimate EVIL person of modern era! But unfortunately, he has grabbed even more control of the American political class, he is very geopolitically smart, and he is indeed a visionary. He showed his leadership qualities during the Israel-Gaza war where he almost stood alone vs other Israeli leaders and eventually prevailed in that conflict. I give that much to this monster.

 

[Watandar]

Iran was left on it's own in last 2-3 decades. Mullah regime tried to spread Shia'ism and start proxy wars with other countries. Then foolishly tries to embark on nuclear program which has given them zero benefit and their own country survival is at stake because of it. Iran is stuck b/w two extremes. 1 group who want liberalism, 1 group who wants religious hegemony. I don't see a third option for them.

You don't take on Israel if your own house has leakages. Remember Tipu sultan downfall came from the traitor in his own cabinet? Similarly their fools dream to defend Palestine fell own its own face because moles within were destroying them like a termite.

Lol yeah Taliban, Alqaeda, ISIS, RSF, Haftar were all proxies of mullah regime. Spare us your one sided takes.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Here comes more empty and emotiona rehtoric which has zero bearing on WAR. It is pity to see how people just devolve into it when they can't argue properly

I am not the one telling a sovereign country to bend over backwards for an invader.

AFAIK, They were attacked by the US and Israel, GCC as usual provided bases, hosts troops and radars. They deserved to get bombed.

"Iran engages in proxy conflict", not like GCC hasnt. Its just that GCC allied itself with the stronger side.

You have tunnel vision or you are just biased as you live in GCC, get well soon.

 

[Bratva]

The pain would be a 100 times greater if it didn’t.

Here’s the question:

1. Do you want to live like slaves under Zionist masters for the next 1000 years. Slowly eroding your humanity until you are just a pathetic flesh.

OR

2. Make a stand so your grand children can live free for next 1000 years. Furthermore, Iran is making a stand for the entire global south. People will talk about Iran’s bravery for years to come.

It’s the difference between being a civilisational force and a conquered ethnic group.

Ask yourself!

Why do certain ethnic groups have nation(s) and others do not.

This is once again the kind of emotional rehtoric which looks good if you are fighting a neer-peer army. My friend people were enslaved by British army 200 years ago, now they flock to England and has greate relationship with them. You dont know future so don't make arguments that won't stand the reality in next 10 years.

We are discussing military strategy of Iran. Which is to impose cost on Israel while IRGC own stock of missiles are drying up and they can't attack israel in waves in coming days and weeks What happens when Iran stops and Israel and USA won't? Will this slavery and freedom rehtoric would serve Iranian any good? Hence my earlier contention of preserving their inventory and attacking those who are attacking Iran.

 

[Watandar]

I think there have been just a few one off launches of missiles at Israel in the last 12-18 hours. So it does look like Iranians are struggling to fire them in the face of constant US Israel bombardment on their civilian and military infrastructure.

 

[Olympus81]

There may be an off ramp if high value target in Israel have been taken out.

Maybe its Ben Gvir or better yet BB.

Hopefully it’s true and the war comes to an end.

The Iranians, I believe still have alot in the tank in terms of drones and missiles. This is a good moment when Iran has enough leverage to talk to the Americans and end this war.

The regime survives, the Americans leave with whatever honor they’ve got with Epstien saga in the back burner. The losers are the woke Persians calling for regime change, the Zionazis achieving nothing.

 

[Cicero]

Iran's ability to achieve a strategic victory on paper seem rather easy. Regime survival (likely). Cause such high economic costs that the aggressors have to stop. Iran can do this with drones alone, while not very effective in terms of reaching its target or huge damage it has the ability to severely restrict air travel and close the narrow straights of hormuz of critical global energy. Iran doesn't need to do much to achieve this. The problem of course is that militarily it is getting pounded to a near infinite level of magnitude that it is causing on its neighbors, U.S or Israel. We've seen substantial declines over the past week and half in missle and drone launches and further declines in the past 24 hours. I don't know if it can reach deterrence if its capabilities decline much further.

Also while U.S./Israel's initial aims of achieving regime change from the air will fail, not enough people on this forum are discussing how structurally weak the Iranian government will be coming out of it. Militarily severely degraded, infrastructure destroyed, oil infrastructure degraded. The costs to rebuild that while under sanctions is immense. The price of basic goods going forward and providing basic necessities may be greater threat to the Iranian governments than an F-35. Because when the external boogeyman leaves the scene people start looking for blame internally.

 

[Bratva]

Lol yeah Taliban, Alqaeda, ISIS, RSF, Haftar were all proxies of mullah regime. Spare us your one sided takes.

What kind of argument is this? We are talking about Iran inability to defend itself as it couldnt build up proper conventional defense due to its proxy wars. Where does the idiot take of yours come into this argument? Spare me with your rehtoric and come up with proper arguments next time.

 

[LeonBlack08]

IRGC says Iran, not US, will determine the war’s end

 

[SteppeWolff]

IRGC own stock of missiles are drying up and they can't attack israel in waves in coming days and weeks What happens when Iran stops and Israel and USA won't?

Yeah you definitely toured throughout out Iranian facilities to end up with this conclusion. Fire rate going down doesn't necessarily mean they have burned their stock.

Going by your equivalence, Qatar should stop intercepting Iranian BMs and Drones as they are getting low on AD interceptors.

 

[Watandar]

What kind of argument is this? We are talking about Iran inability to defend itself as it couldnt build up proper conventional defense due to its proxy wars. Where does the idiot take of yours come into this argument? Spare me with your rehtoric and come up with proper arguments next time.

It could not build up a conventional defense due to sanctions from West and lobbying by GCC to persuade China and Russia not to sell to Iran either. This plus the Iran Iraq war were the reasons it selected the path it is on. This has been explained multiple times in this thread alone , if you had bothered to read.

 

[VCheng]

Yeah you definitely toured throughout out Iranian facilities to end up with this conclusion. Fire rate going down doesn't necessarily mean they have burned their stock.

Much of the stock will survive unscathed. The problem will be launching it, and then making it effective.

 

[Mutakalim]

Pity is that iranian constant support for armed resistance against Israel has complicated the Palestinian issue also.
This Rocket approach has killed any chance of israelo -palestinian deal.

Absolutely! Iran, in fact no person, group or state in the middle east should ever launch armed resistance against Israel leading to complications in resolving Palestine issue. All these complications and difficulties are due to resistance against the state of Israel. Israel always wanted to resolve its dispute with the Palestinians peacefully through genocide and other peaceful instruments of statecraft. The fault squarely lies on the shoulders of resistance movements. The need of the hour is surrender, capitulation and utter devotion to Epstein coalition. Hallelujah

 

[SteppeWolff]

We are discussing military strategy of Iran. Which is to impose cost on Israel

Maybe it isnt? Maybe they want to impose a cost on the entire region for ganging up on them.

And we can see the global economy going through shocks as we speak.