Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[codeforfood]

But I am surprised how little grassroots opposition there has been from the public, compared to, for example, the 2003 war on Iraq. Except from the far-left Democrats and a few pure MAGA, most Democrats and Republicans are - may be slightly apprehensive and worried if things may go wrong - but otherwise holding their tongue. I think the lack of ground invasion is the main reason. There was similarly little public resentment against the 1999 NATO air attacks on Serbia.

I think the other reason is that amount of conflicts in the last quarter of the century has made us less sensitive and our moral compass is getting compromised too. I mean clearly this is an unjust war and most of us are just sitting in and really not paying much attention here in usa.

 

[ToddE]

That went gone on October 7 by Hamas

Wars matter in which IDF has reigned supreme against coalition of Arabs, they lost lands, literally lands. That too decades back when USSR was supplying them weapons, post USSR no Arab country has ever fired a bullet in direction of Israel out of fear. Stupid Terrorism or militant attacks here and there means nothing otherwise US and Russian Armed forces are below some stupid terror networks they have faced bombings from.

Nobody hates Iran you're just under some distress

Only one under distress is you because your beloved Israel (basically your genocider) and US (enabler) is losing the war against IRI that you have bias against. They have created a perception of invincibility by giving severe beatings to Arabs in bulk in past. IDF this, Mossad that ... they dont want this perception to be gone at any costs despite getting hit by sanctioned for decades IRGC for 15 consecutive days, hence comes severe censorship and gag orders, control of MSM etc to maintain this perception otherwise why would they even place this censorship regime if no one is dying ? why arrests over leaks? why extreme media blackouts ?

Ironically arabs like you try to peddle this Jew narrative BS in hatred for Iran while not realizing that the foundation of this "perception" is the reason your own Arab "brother" governments saw your people turned into meat shreds and yet did nothing just out of fear of this image Jews fooled them with. Do you realize this damage you are doing to your own people by peddling zio propaganda and censorship ?

 

[Fatman17]

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[codeforfood]

This isn't a preemptive war; this is a "preventive" war. And there are no, none, nada, legal justification for a "preventive war."

My wife said this

Preemptive War is legal in international terms, BUT it has strict guidance on how this works, and 3 condition must be met before you can call a war a preemptive war

1.) An attack on your own country is imminent and will be destructive.
2.) There are no alternatives
3.) had already tried a diplomatic solution, but it didn't work.

Unless the US has intelligence that Iran is about to attack the US (Not just bases in the Middle East, but the US Mainland) and it is imminent, it's not a month after or a year after, 1 did not fulfill.

You can argue whether or not 2 is fulfilled, and 3 is fulfilled.

A Preventive War is to prevent something from happening, that's not legal in any shape, way or form, and it is what the current US administration is using to fight Iran, because it prevents Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, well, at least this is what the President said, and it's not legal in any international law.

Well our president has moved on from that argument of nuclear to other things. It's a moving goal post for him. Whenever he likes he moves it.

 

[FUB]

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[ToddE]

Had Jewlani the Mossad Sharra not been installed in Syria to cut of Iraq-Iran supply lines to Hezbollah, we might have seen decisive Israeli defeat in lebanon like 2006 or even better. Mossad installed Sharra through Turkey as a barrier between Hezb and Iraq-Iran. Now he is proving himself more loyal to Zios by planning to fight Hezb at Israeli behest to take burden off Israel.

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/...port-for-lebanon-s-effort-to-disarm-hezbollah

 

[Falcon29]

Plane in video is f35... Air defense is gone completely if F35s are flying so freely deep inside.. Iran has to up the ante to make war more painful for israil otherwise its going to be catastrophe if they start hitting infrastructure .

Iran's capacity to hurt Israel is limited due to geographical reasons

Hezbollah is operating with limited resources

They can both up the ante slightly but all these calculations being taken are very difficult for whomever are calling the shots. It is a stressful period and they can be blamed for inviting worse attacks on their respective homelands, causing rift in Muslim world, and have to take into account post war deterrence.

I would not want to be in their shoes. They performed well thus far and not gone up escalation ladder entirely.

Iran did everything it could within its means to prepare for this but US/Israel have economies of scale and superior weaponry despite that. It's not a failure on Iran's part. There are so many defenses in the region and capable air forces.

 

[Falcon29]

Japanese Broadcasting Corporation from official sources: We make our decisions ourselves and will not send ships to the Strait of Hormuz just because Trump requested that.

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[Fatman17]

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[Falcon29]

Wars matter in which IDF has reigned supreme against coalition of Arabs, they lost lands, literally lands. That too decades back when USSR was supplying them weapons, post USSR no Arab country has ever fired a bullet in direction of Israel out of fear. Stupid Terrorism or militant attacks here and there means nothing otherwise US and Russian Armed forces are below some stupid terror networks they have faced bombings from.



Only one under distress is you because your beloved Israel (basically your genocider) and US (enabler) is losing the war against IRI that you have bias against. They have created a perception of invincibility by giving severe beatings to Arabs in bulk in past. IDF this, Mossad that ... they dont want this perception to be gone at any costs despite getting hit by sanctioned for decades IRGC for 15 consecutive days, hence comes severe censorship and gag orders, control of MSM etc to maintain this perception otherwise why would they even place this censorship regime if no one is dying ? why arrests over leaks? why extreme media blackouts ?

That's a lot of word salad from you. A tactical military operation is not a 'terrorist attack '. Hamas's tactical military operation shattered the IDF, Israeli FBI , and Mossad 's image. Hamas dealt a blow to the IDF southern division, executed hits on military and government related infrastructure in the Gaza Envelope.

I don't care for middle eastern way where they make stuff up and expect everyone to play along. Nor Western exaggerated takes on achieving strategic objectives of war.

 

[Gripen9]

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[UKBengali]

Iran is not firing 40-50 per day rate

It's more 12-20

2-3 interceptors are fired per Iranian missile.

 

[Tamerlane]

There’s no doubt that the Palestinians are the heroes of the Muslim world along with Iranians. It’s mind boggling that they’ve kept fighting despite horrendous losses. Same for all the others fighting the satan worshipping Zionists.

Hats off to all of them. Your sacrifices are waking up all the Muslims of the world.

 

[EugeneP]

I think the other reason is that amount of conflicts in the last quarter of the century has made us less sensitive and our moral compass is getting compromised too. I mean clearly this is an unjust war and most of us are just sitting in and really not paying much attention here in usa.

That and the fact that Iran doesn't have much of public support from any faction. Iranian Americans, at least the more vocal ones, seemed much more enthusiastic for the war than average don't-care Americans.

 

[clutch]

America doesnt have the right.

So your entire argument falls apart.

Fair enough... However, America including IsraHell have made it (the right to preemptively attack) their modus operandi. Besides, we now live in a post-Rules Based world. It's might is right now.

The hypocrisy of the Saudis is that they actually also preemptively attacked Yemen and initiated the full-scale military campaign (Operation Decisive Storm) in March 2015. They in fact argued that preemptive attack on Yemen was their right because it was a threat to them.

Saudis are also learning FAFO first hand.