Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[RescueRanger]

A good article to take into account at least for those on the Afghan desk...

I believe it is quite balanced in its statements, little propaganda compared to usual

Pakistan Airstrikes Risk Afghan Public Support Shift

Pakistan could risk losing Afghan public support if its airstrikes appear misguided

htnworld.com

No one cares for intl opinion. Where was opinion when Pakistanis were ripped to shreads.

For God's sake stop this half baked bakwas. Haaan ya baan!

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I guess we need to have different perspective about the situation. Last night and this morning attack on Qatar Gas fields, Saudi and Kuwaiti oil refineries has changed everything.

What I see is Taliban are boasting and cyber-rattling to save face. They did little in terms of retaliation. They claimed Pakistan killed 400 people but there was no retaliation from Taliban and they agreed for a ceasefire without taking any revenge. It has dented their capability.

The reality of war is every side needs fuel to fight. If Afghanis are going to spend their fuel supplies on a border skirmish with Pakistan, then there's little left to run the country. And then Afghanis will rise against Taliban and will overthrow them.

TTA & TTP both understand the equation has changed. The funding is drying. They need to mollycoddle and pacify their own fighters and people to survive what comes next in few weeks which is food, medicine and fuel shortages.

TTP has already declared a ceasefire. What I see and expecting is, Afghanis are going to give written guarantees. Pakistan is going to accept that and by next month, the border crossings are going to open to ease up on the aftereffects of fuel and food shortages. Everyone is going to make short-term compromises to ride out the effects of Iran-USA war

That would be ideal but for how long?

Why bother giving respite to the devil. Just completely destroy all their infrastructure to the point that they don't dare threaten the border security again, or become incapable of for the next many years.

 

[RescueRanger]

Pubg wouldn't really be good for that since it's mainly a third person game.

Owner of PBUG has made a AI to train the military. #Justsaying.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

Not really.. western alliance is much More acceptable to the world only reason they arent being armed is Pakistan believe that they are bigger threat then Taliban
This is solely a pakistan decision..we want the Taliban they are our buddies, west and all other neighbors want the Western alliance who have plenty of fighters they just need arms and possibly some air cover during the initial blitz

If they get that tlaiban will fall in 1-2 weeks the north can easily be occupied without much insurgency (there wasnt much insurgency there anyway)

This will worse case scenario keep Taliban occupied

However, some how ISI believe in the delusional thoughts that Taliban are better

North alliance may have alliance with india but they have absolutely no interest in making an already afghan majority as super majority by taking Pakistan pushtoons areas

The Afghan Republic was basically the Northern Alliance with Pashtun characteristics
They were no friends of Pakistan if anything might have been a bigger danger with both international legitimacy and complete indian backing

They posed a bigger long term threat if that trajectory had continued both a conventional threat and ofcourse indian sponsored insurgencies in Baluchistan and Fata (just brand renaming of TTP just like what they did to ISIS in syria)

You cant really blame the Generals its not a completely baseless thinking

 

[Blain2]

It’s also the most “reliable” jet for strikes -
Im pretty curious on what ordnance is in use especially with all the JDAM kids purchased

The thing is that a lot of footage on the strikes isn't from DB-110 pods. So I suspect JF-17s, UCAVs are being employed with their targeting pods.

As far as the munitions, I suspect American hardware is being used sparingly keeping it reserved for the RSS bigots across the border. I suspect only selectively some of American origin munitions are being used.

These operations should also give opportunity to the PAF to use locally developed guidance kits (GIDS) on conventional MK bombs.

 

[Goenitz]

Pakistan had to go through a very painful process of de-linking its population from them.

We can see in the west how some Pakistanis and Muslims still lust for them. Silence when Pakistanis are massacred, uproar when taliban are challenged. It doesn't go unnoticed.

Please don't paddle lies that the Pakistanis and Muslims won't sympathies or mourn for their countrymen when they get attacked by TTP.
If you want to support or commit atrocities, do it on your own weight and merits.

 

[RescueRanger]

Please don't paddle lies that the Pakistanis and Muslims won't sympathies or mourn for their countrymen when they get attacked by TTP.
If you want to support or commit atrocities, do it on your own weight and merits.

Gents not the thread for arguments please. Be united for a change.

 

[side-winder]

It’s also the most “reliable” jet for strikes -
Im pretty curious on what ordnance is in use especially with all the JDAM kids purchased

Not sure. Didn't ask anyone.
GBU 38 perhaps?

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[Pakistan Space Agency]

I suppose arming a counterproxy group is a legitimate suggestion
However that would have wider consequences, the basic overarching point remains there is no conventional or textbook way to deal with this.

It is not. It's just another Frankenstein.

I suggest breaking up Afghanistan into a number of states. Once that happens, the sovereign state(s) bordering Pakistan can be legitimately supported as real and practical buffer zones.

This is what Russia did to Georgia couple of decades back, and they've had no issues from Georgia ever since.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

It is not. It's just another Frankenstein.

I suggest breaking up Afghanistan into a number of states. Once that happens, the sovereign state(s) bordering Pakistan can be legitimately supported as real and practical buffer zones.

This is what Russia did to Georgia couple of decades back, and they've had no issues from Georgia ever since.

This won't work in Pakistan's case because it's the bordering regions that harbour expansionist/extremist populations driving hostilities

The comparison doesn't make sense with Georgia

 

[RescueRanger]

It is not. It's just another Frankenstein.

I suggest breaking up Afghanistan into a number of states. Once that happens, the sovereign state(s) bordering Pakistan can be legitimately supported as real and practical buffer zones.

This is what Russia did to Georgia couple of decades back, and they've had no issues from Georgia ever since.

Excellent point. These "social experiements" aee why we are where we are today.

 

[Goenitz]

Gents not the thread for arguments please. Be united for a change.

Sure, bro. Also, I’m not interested in engaging in reactive exchanges. The more important point is that he should find a suitable reason and real enemy, and not the diaspora.

One worrying trend is to label dissent as disloyal. Raising legitimate questions is quickly dismissed as being “anti-national” or framed other reductive nouns. It narrows the space for meaningful dialogue and critical thinking. This is not a sign of strength, but it reflects an insecurity in our ability to engage with complexity. It is very similar to why our seniors won't listen to novel ideas from the young.

A mature society must be capable of self-criticism. This does not weaken national cohesion. Without the capacity to reflect, our policy risks fighting for a non-consensus cause.

In the context of Pak-Afg elations, this becomes particularly important. Why should analysis be confined to a single national, provincial, or ethnic lens? Such a narrow framing overlooks the multi-dimensional nature of the issue. A more rigorous approach requires us to consider social, political, economic, and historical perspectives simultaneously.
As a mature nation, we should be at self-critical level.

Bloom / Maslow	Physiological	Safety	Love/Belonging	Esteem	Self-Actualization
Remember	basic, reactive, survival-focused	cautious, alert, routine-based	familiar, socially-aware	recognition-seeking, recall-driven	reflective, aware
Understand	practical, need-aware	risk-aware, structured	empathetic, connected	confident, interpretive	insightful, meaning-oriented
Apply	functional, task-oriented	careful, rule-following	cooperative, participative	competent, goal-driven	creative, expressive
Analyze	problem-sensitive, need-based	systematic, risk-evaluating	perceptive, relationship-aware	critical, self-assessing	reflective, integrative
Evaluate	necessity-driven, pragmatic	judgmental (risk-benefit), cautious	value-driven, inclusive	self-judging, standards-based	purposeful, ethical
Create	improvisational, resourceful	strategic, secure-building	collaborative, community-building	innovative, achievement-oriented	visionary, transformative

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

This won't work in Pakistan's case because it's the bordering regions that harbour expansionist/extremist populations driving hostilities

The comparison doesn't make sense with Georgia

Not when they've lost rest of the Afghanistan, and desperately need some external help to defend against rest of the expansionist Afghanistan.

 

[RescueRanger]

Sure, bro. Also, I’m not interested in engaging in reactive exchanges. The more important point is that he should find a suitable reason and real enemy, and not the diaspora.

One worrying trend is to label dissent as disloyal. Raising legitimate questions is quickly dismissed as being “anti-national” or framed other reductive nouns. It narrows the space for meaningful dialogue and critical thinking. This is not a sign of strength, but it reflects an insecurity in our ability to engage with complexity. It is very similar to why our seniors won't listen to novel ideas from the young.

A mature society must be capable of self-criticism. This does not weaken national cohesion. Without the capacity to reflect, our policy risks fighting for a non-consensus cause.

In the context of Pak-Afg elations, this becomes particularly important. Why should analysis be confined to a single national, provincial, or ethnic lens? Such a narrow framing overlooks the multi-dimensional nature of the issue. A more rigorous approach requires us to consider social, political, economic, and historical perspectives simultaneously.
As a mature nation, we should be at self-critical level.

Bloom / Maslow	Physiological	Safety	Love/Belonging	Esteem	Self-Actualization
Remember	basic, reactive, survival-focused	cautious, alert, routine-based	familiar, socially-aware	recognition-seeking, recall-driven	reflective, aware
Understand	practical, need-aware	risk-aware, structured	empathetic, connected	confident, interpretive	insightful, meaning-oriented
Apply	functional, task-oriented	careful, rule-following	cooperative, participative	competent, goal-driven	creative, expressive
Analyze	problem-sensitive, need-based	systematic, risk-evaluating	perceptive, relationship-aware	critical, self-assessing	reflective, integrative
Evaluate	necessity-driven, pragmatic	judgmental (risk-benefit), cautious	value-driven, inclusive	self-judging, standards-based	purposeful, ethical
Create	improvisational, resourceful	strategic, secure-building	collaborative, community-building	innovative, achievement-oriented	visionary, transformative

Brilliant post but the problen with applying Maslow's heiarchy of needs to Pakistan is that we are stuck at the bottom rung of the social mobility ladder:

That age old nara "roti kapda makaan".

 

[r3alist]

It is not. It's just another Frankenstein.

I suggest breaking up Afghanistan into a number of states. Once that happens, the sovereign state(s) bordering Pakistan can be legitimately supported as real and practical buffer zones.

This is what Russia did to Georgia couple of decades back, and they've had no issues from Georgia ever since.

That does not address the basic problem of the mindset.