Turkey Greece Relations and Maritime Disputes

Cem Gürdeniz ( Retired Rear Admiral and the originator of the name "Blue Homeland" )

We must respond to the Greeks immediately. They are immoral.

"Now they've found an opportunity, they've brought air defense systems to Karpathos and Samothrace. Turkiye must respond immediately. First, drilling in the Mediterranean must resume. Not a drill, but drilling.
Today we will say, 'I will conduct training here with my SAT commandos.' Let them come and try to remove us!
These people are immoral. They are a nation that hates peace. They are bringing weapons to Samothrace. That place is right next to Çanakkale."

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They stockpiled Weapons on the islands right next to us and in Southern Cyprus.


1 -- in 1995, the Turkish Parliement unanimously adopted a declaration stating that it would consider Greece's attempt to extend its territorial waters beyond 6 miles in the Aegean Sea as a "CASUS BELLI" (reason for war )

2 -- Prime Minister Tansu Ciller taught them the necessary lesson in 1996

3 -- In 1999, Turkiye said that if you didn't withdraw the S-300s from Cyprus, we would strike.

President ERDOGAN acts passive

Greeks became increasingly spoiled year by year and abused ERDOGAN's goodwill.

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GREECE'S RECENT ACTIVITIES
The Eastern Aegean Islands were ceded to Greece under the conditions of a non-military status, as per the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 and the Treaty of Paris in 1947.

Lemnos (Treaty of Lausanne) and Karpathos (Treaty of Paris) are islands that should remain non-military. Non-military status is a fundamental condition of the treaties. Therefore, violating this non-military status constitutes a fundamental breach, and these fait accompli attempts do not legally result in the unilateral termination of the non-military status. This point has also been raised by the highest levels of our government.

Greece's attempts to violate the status of the islands, contrary to the duly concluded treaties, both create legal irregularities and damage our neighborly and alliance relations. It is unacceptable for such situations to occur among NATO allies in the face of ongoing security crises in our region.

We state that we do not accept Greece's attempts, which do not serve the real purpose and are aimed at turning the crises in our region into an opportunity, and that we are taking all necessary measures in this regard.

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Lemnos (Treaty of Lausanne) and Karpathos (Treaty of Paris) are islands that should remain non-military. Non-military status is a fundamental condition of the treaties. Therefore, violating this non-military status constitutes a fundamental breach, and these fait accompli attempts do not legally result in the unilateral termination of the non-military status. This point has also been raised by the highest levels of our government.

Greece's attempts to violate the status of the islands, contrary to the duly concluded treaties, both create legal irregularities and damage our neighborly and alliance relations. It is unacceptable for such situations to occur among NATO allies in the face of ongoing security crises in our region.
These claims have been debunked already and I have been showing you how on the old forum and this one,yet you continue with posting Turkish government claims on the matter as if nothing happened.

That's why I say you're in a loop,going on the same things again and again.
 
The Turkish Armed Forces, the Ministry of National Defense and the Ministers of Foreign Affairs have repeatedly issued official statements, and this dubious Greek creature here thinks he can troll and deceive the public
 
The demilitarization of the Aegean islands, particularly those belonging to Greece near the Turkish coast, is directly addressed in two key international treaties

the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne and the 1947 Paris Peace Treaty. These agreements were designed to maintain peace and security in the region by limiting military presence on certain islands, given their proximity to Turkey.1923 Treaty of LausanneThe Treaty of Lausanne (signed July 24, 1923) settled post-World War I issues, including sovereignty over Aegean islands and their military status.
  • Article 12 confirms Greece's sovereignty over most Eastern Aegean islands (such as Lemnos/Limni, Samothrace/Semadirek, Mytilene/Midilli/Lesvos, Chios/Sakız, Samos/Sisam, and Nikaria/Ikaria), based on earlier 1914 decisions, but subject to specific conditions—including demilitarization where stated.
  • Article 13 explicitly sets out the demilitarization rules for the key Eastern Aegean islands (Mytilene/Lesvos, Chios, Samos, and Nikaria/Icaria):
    • No naval base or fortification shall be established.
    • Greek military forces are limited to normal conscripts undergoing service/training on the spot, plus gendarmes and police in proportion to those on the Greek mainland.
    • Military aircraft from these islands are forbidden from flying over the Anatolian (Turkish) coast, with reciprocity for Turkish aircraft over the islands.
    The purpose, as stated, is "to ensure the maintenance of peace."
Additionally, the related 1923 Lausanne Straits Convention (later modified by the 1936 Montreux Convention) imposed stricter demilitarization on islands near the Dardanelles (e.g., Lemnos and Samothrace) to protect the straits


1947 Paris Peace Treaty (Treaty of Peace with Italy)

This treaty, signed February 10, 1947 (effective September 15, 1947), ended World War II terms with Italy. Turkey was not a party, but it directly affected Aegean islands previously held by Italy.
  • Article 14 cedes the Dodecanese Islands (Twelve Islands group: Rhodes/Rodos, Castellorizo/Meis, Cos/Kos, Kalymnos, Leros, Patmos, Symi, etc., plus adjacent islets) from Italy to Greece in full sovereignty.
    • Paragraph 2 explicitly states: "These islands shall be and shall remain demilitarised."
    This is one of the strictest demilitarization clauses, prohibiting any military installations, bases, fortifications, or significant troop presence.
Summary of Affected IslandsThe demilitarization obligations generally cover three main groups:
  1. Straits-adjacent islands (e.g., Lemnos, Samothrace) — Strict rules under Lausanne Straits provisions.
  2. Eastern Aegean islands (Lesvos/Mytilene, Chios, Samos, Ikaria/Nikaria) — Article 13 of Lausanne.
  3. Dodecanese / Twelve Islands (Rodos, Meis/Castellorizo, etc.) — Article 14 of the 1947 Paris Treaty.
 
I've reported him like 3-4 times the last days and all I found was my posts deleted. I did open a ticket at GHQ because I don't trust hyperman as a mod.

I haven't deleted anything. lol, out of all the mods I been the most lax with you, Ironically its been deleted by Admins who you tagged b/c you keep annoying them by tagging them over petty BS.

So quit the whining and try to avoid the same fights with MMM-E over and over again.
 
The demilitarization of the Aegean islands, particularly those belonging to Greece near the Turkish coast, is directly addressed in two key international treaties

the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne and the 1947 Paris Peace Treaty. These agreements were designed to maintain peace and security in the region by limiting military presence on certain islands, given their proximity to Turkey.1923 Treaty of LausanneThe Treaty of Lausanne (signed July 24, 1923) settled post-World War I issues, including sovereignty over Aegean islands and their military status.
  • Article 12 confirms Greece's sovereignty over most Eastern Aegean islands (such as Lemnos/Limni, Samothrace/Semadirek, Mytilene/Midilli/Lesvos, Chios/Sakız, Samos/Sisam, and Nikaria/Ikaria), based on earlier 1914 decisions, but subject to specific conditions—including demilitarization where stated.
  • Article 13 explicitly sets out the demilitarization rules for the key Eastern Aegean islands (Mytilene/Lesvos, Chios, Samos, and Nikaria/Icaria):
    • No naval base or fortification shall be established.
    • Greek military forces are limited to normal conscripts undergoing service/training on the spot, plus gendarmes and police in proportion to those on the Greek mainland.
    • Military aircraft from these islands are forbidden from flying over the Anatolian (Turkish) coast, with reciprocity for Turkish aircraft over the islands.
    The purpose, as stated, is "to ensure the maintenance of peace."
Additionally, the related 1923 Lausanne Straits Convention (later modified by the 1936 Montreux Convention) imposed stricter demilitarization on islands near the Dardanelles (e.g., Lemnos and Samothrace) to protect the straits


1947 Paris Peace Treaty (Treaty of Peace with Italy)

This treaty, signed February 10, 1947 (effective September 15, 1947), ended World War II terms with Italy. Turkey was not a party, but it directly affected Aegean islands previously held by Italy.
  • Article 14 cedes the Dodecanese Islands (Twelve Islands group: Rhodes/Rodos, Castellorizo/Meis, Cos/Kos, Kalymnos, Leros, Patmos, Symi, etc., plus adjacent islets) from Italy to Greece in full sovereignty.
    • Paragraph 2 explicitly states: "These islands shall be and shall remain demilitarised."
    This is one of the strictest demilitarization clauses, prohibiting any military installations, bases, fortifications, or significant troop presence.
Summary of Affected IslandsThe demilitarization obligations generally cover three main groups:
  1. Straits-adjacent islands (e.g., Lemnos, Samothrace) — Strict rules under Lausanne Straits provisions.
  2. Eastern Aegean islands (Lesvos/Mytilene, Chios, Samos, Ikaria/Nikaria) — Article 13 of Lausanne.
  3. Dodecanese / Twelve Islands (Rodos, Meis/Castellorizo, etc.) — Article 14 of the 1947 Paris Treaty.

Don't get so worked up about it, even if you're right.
The deployment of air defense systems on these islands does not serve any military-strategic purposes and is also irrelevant to the war effort.
It is just a theatrical performance.
In short: there's the director(Israel) in the back ground, then the actors(Greek Politicians), and then the audience(Greeks).
If the theatrical performance is successful, the audience is entertained and the actors are praised.Nobody thinks about the director, but in fact, he decides everything.
At the end of this theatrical spectacle, the pride of the Greeks is stronger and the politicians have secured their re-election.
But what they forgot was the director who had staged it all.
The negative attitude of Greeks towardsTurks blinds them.
The real reason for stationing defense systems on the islands is to intimidate Turkey.
The aim is to deter Turkey from intervening by threatening it with a two-front war.
But reality is not a theatrical performance.
The reality is that the Greeks do not pose a military threat to Turkey.
 
Don't get so worked up about it, even if you're right.
The deployment of air defense systems on these islands does not serve any military-strategic purposes and is also irrelevant to the war effort.
It is just a theatrical performance.
In short: there's the director(Israel) in the back ground, then the actors(Greek Politicians), and then the audience(Greeks).
If the theatrical performance is successful, the audience is entertained and the actors are praised.Nobody thinks about the director, but in fact, he decides everything.
At the end of this theatrical spectacle, the pride of the Greeks is stronger and the politicians have secured their re-election.
But what they forgot was the director who had staged it all.
The negative attitude of Greeks towardsTurks blinds them.
The real reason for stationing defense systems on the islands is to intimidate Turkey.
The aim is to deter Turkey from intervening by threatening it with a two-front war.
But reality is not a theatrical performance.
The reality is that the Greeks do not pose a military threat to Turkey.
Putting those ADs so close to the Turkish mainland is actually a rather thoughtless decision made by the Greek military, especially given the fact that your potential adversary (Turkey) is excelling in drone warfare. These systems would be gone within the first hour of any serious confrontation.
 
In short: there's the director(Israel) in the back ground, then the actors(Greek Politicians), and then the audience(Greeks).
That's a conspiracy theory widely circulating among Turks,but I have to tell you it's false. It's nothing to do with the yahood. Things were like this way before Greece was this close to Israel. And this takes me to Esbah's quote

Putting those ADs so close to the Turkish mainland is actually a rather thoughtless decision made by the Greek military, especially given the fact that your potential adversary (Turkey) is excelling in drone warfare. These systems would be gone within the first hour of any serious confrontation.
This is 100% correct,if we're talking about the islands close to Turkey,e.g Chios,Lesbos Samos,Ikaria,Kos,Rhodes etc.

However,what has been on these islands is at most OSA AK/AKM and at least stinger manpads. Generally,it's just OSA AK/AKM,some Skyguard VELOS (Oerlikon 35 with Sea Sparrow missiles),and probably some ASRAD HELLAS(Stinger).

So these have been there for more than 20 years,way before Turkey developed all these drones and UAVs.

Now,last night I was watching a bit of TV and saw on the news a map on SKAI TV depicting the new israeli AA systems(if and when we get them)and showing the Spyder AiO on the islands. On one hand it would be normal to replace the OSA with Spyder,on the other,without adequate protection,these investments would be for nothing. But apparently,there will be EW defence as well to keept UAVs and kamikaze drones away. Like I said,if and when.

If the theatrical performance is successful, the audience is entertained and the actors are praised.Nobody thinks about the director, but in fact, he decides everything.
At the end of this theatrical spectacle, the pride of the Greeks is stronger and the politicians have secured their re-election.
The problem is the exact opposite. The politicians are doing too little for defence purchases and too slowly(extremely slowly)and talk big about the very little things done already and the things to be done in the future. The simple people who are not into defence stuff either as a profession or as a hobby,hear the big words and think we can march to India again. That's how it is. I could analyze it further if you want.

The negative attitude of Greeks towardsTurks blinds them.
The real reason for stationing defense systems on the islands is to intimidate Turkey.
No,you're wrong. The negative attitude comes from things like this

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The aim is to deter Turkey from intervening by threatening it with a two-front war.
As you can see,the real reason is to defend. To defend what we can from someone who openly makes revisionist statements and prints maps with our territory as part of their country.
 
I haven't deleted anything. lol, out of all the mods I been the most lax with you, Ironically its been deleted by Admins who you tagged b/c you keep annoying them by tagging them over petty BS.

So quit the whining and try to avoid the same fights with MMM-E over and over again.
In that case I have to say I apologize to you and shout a "Muuuusssiiiiiiinnnnnngsssss!!!" in the style of Kirk shouting "Khaaaaaan" in Star Trek.

As for the other guy,the rest of you Turks should be first to keep him in check,he's like a badly programmed bot and he won't stop. He doesn't understand when to stop. You guys must scold him often,he won't understand any other way.
 
That's a conspiracy theory widely circulating among Turks,but I have to tell you it's false. It's nothing to do with the yahood. Things were like this way before Greece was this close to Israel. And this takes me to Esbah's quote


This is 100% correct,if we're talking about the islands close to Turkey,e.g Chios,Lesbos Samos,Ikaria,Kos,Rhodes etc.

However,what has been on these islands is at most OSA AK/AKM and at least stinger manpads. Generally,it's just OSA AK/AKM,some Skyguard VELOS (Oerlikon 35 with Sea Sparrow missiles),and probably some ASRAD HELLAS(Stinger).

So these have been there for more than 20 years,way before Turkey developed all these drones and UAVs.

Now,last night I was watching a bit of TV and saw on the news a map on SKAI TV depicting the new israeli AA systems(if and when we get them)and showing the Spyder AiO on the islands. On one hand it would be normal to replace the OSA with Spyder,on the other,without adequate protection,these investments would be for nothing. But apparently,there will be EW defence as well to keept UAVs and kamikaze drones away. Like I said,if and when.


The problem is the exact opposite. The politicians are doing too little for defence purchases and too slowly(extremely slowly)and talk big about the very little things done already and the things to be done in the future. The simple people who are not into defence stuff either as a profession or as a hobby,hear the big words and think we can march to India again. That's how it is. I could analyze it further if you want.


No,you're wrong. The negative attitude comes from things like this

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As you can see,the real reason is to defend. To defend what we can from someone who openly makes revisionist statements and prints maps with our territory as part of their country.

"I don't mean to attack you, but I'm going to give you an honest answer. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to remain objective. You must be able to distinguish between reality and wishful thinking.

Every action and reaction has a reason. To be objective is not to judge the action, but to ask why it happened. Objectivity requires aconsciousness that understands that claims must be based on facts and verified by objective sources—not just social media posts. One must be able to understand that a glass can be half full and half empty at the same time. Depending on your vantage point, you represent a position that serves a specific goal. The same applies to information. Every piece of information is created by humans and often shaped to serve a national political will or a personal bias. It is a duty to verify whether information is truly objective or merely a construction designed to influence you.

Let’sstart with your chosen nickname, Foinikas.
It is telling that you use the name of a village in Cyprus that stands as a symbol of persecution and displacement. Foinika, located on the west coast, wasa Turkish-inhabited village where the residents faced severe oppression and attacks starting in 1963. By 1974, these attacks escalated to such a degree that the Turkish residents were forced to flee into the mountains for their lives. Even though the conflict officially ended in October 1974, it took until August 1975 for the survivors to be brought to safety under UN protection. Today, Foinikais a ghost village. Using this name while making groundless claims shows a profound lack of historical empathy and suggests a hostile intent rather than a desire for an objective dialogue.

Moving on to your claims regarding the Aegean islands: You mention sovereignty,but you conveniently ignore the legal obligations attached to it. The Treaty of Lausanne (1923) and the Treaty of Paris (1947) are very clear on the demilitarized status of these islands. Specifically,Article 13 of the Lausanne Treaty stipulates that no naval bases or fortifications shall be established on islands like Mytilene, Chios,Samos, and Ikaria. Furthermore, the 1947 Paris Peace Treaty explicitly states in Article 14 that these islands 'shall be and shall remain demilitarized'. By militarizing these islands, the legal basis upon which they were granted is being directly undermined. One cannot claim the benefits of a treaty while simultaneously violating its core security provisions.

Regarding the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and your reliance on the so-called Seville Map: You claim that Kastellorizo—a tiny island far from the Greek mainland—can generate a massive EEZ. While you feel validated by the supportive statements of some EU politicians, you lack a deeper understanding of international maritime law and established legal precedents. Political statements are not international law. For instance, international courts did not grant a full EEZ claim to the Ukrainian Snake Island in its dispute with Romania. Furthermore, look at the maritime boundary between France and the United Kingdom: France successfully restricted the EEZ claims of the British Channel Islands located right off the French coast. The International Court of Justice consistently applies the principle of equity and proportionality. An island cannot 'cut off' a major continental coastline from its natural maritime jurisdiction.

To be clear: Turkey has no intention of going to war with Greece, unless itis forced to do so. However, it is a well-known fact that Turkey cannot and will not accept a 12-mile expansion of territorial waters or the extreme EEZ claims regarding Kastellorizo. Further more, the increasing militarization of the islands is unacceptable. When such claims are pushed despite knowing they will never be accepted, the intent behind them is clearly provocation.

Take the recent deployment of air defense systems on Samothraki, for example. If we analyze the purpose, it serves no strategic function other than to provoke. Consider a scenario where a Turkish jet flies within the 10-mile airspace Greece claims (despite only having a 6-mile seazone)—a claim no other country in the world recognizes, as airspace cannot exceed territorial waters. If Greece were to shoot down a jet under these circumstances, it would be a declaration of war.

Let’s look at the reality of such a conflict:
The entire island of Samothraki is within the range of artillery stationed on Gökçeada. Turkey could neutralize the military infrastructure there using simple, conventional means. Within 24hours, Turkey would be in a position to secure the islands along its coastline.

At that point, Greece would likely be forced to capitulate.

To any Greek who believes that countries like France or the UK will rush to your aid: I must disappoint you.
No foreign power will bleed forthese provocations.

I leave you with a thought by Blaise Pascal:
Truth is so´obscure in these times, and falsehood so established, that, unless we love the truth, we cannot know it.'
I hope youchoose to love the truth over nationalistic narratives. True security comes from diplomacy and respecting your neighbor, not from testing these realities based on outdated imperial dreams."
 
Always same images with full of lies like a programmed bot

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President ERDOGAN doesnt call Greece as enemy
ERDOGAN mostly responds to "threats" or specific policies ( request to increase territorial waters to 12 miles, militarization of islands , etc ).

President ERDOGAN always called USA as a strategic partner
ERDOGAN has criticized specific American policies harshly such as arming terror groups (YPG, seen by Turkiye as linked to PKK terrorists), sheltering FETO and perceived support for plots against Turkiye

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in reality Greek Defense Minister called NATO ally Turkiye as enemy
 
"I don't mean to attack you, but I'm going to give you an honest answer. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to remain objective. You must be able to distinguish between reality and wishful thinking.
Agreed. I'm not taking this as an attack,we're just discussing.

Let’sstart with your chosen nickname, Foinikas.
It is telling that you use the name of a village in Cyprus that stands as a symbol of persecution and displacement. Foinika, located on the west coast,
The name literally means "Phoenix" in Greek and it is an often used nickname by several Greeks online. It has nothing to do with some village in Cyprus. Finikas(or the greeklish form Foinikas)is simply the name of both the ancient bird and the palm tree.

By 1974, these attacks escalated to such a degree that the Turkish residents were forced to flee into the mountains for their lives. Even though the conflict officially ended in October 1974, it took until August 1975 for the survivors to be brought to safety under UN protection. Today, Foinikais a ghost village. Using this name while making groundless claims shows a profound lack of historical empathy and suggests a hostile intent rather than a desire for an objective dialogue.
Again,like in your post yesterday,you rush to conclusions,which are wrong.



Regarding the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and your reliance on the so-called Seville Map: You claim that Kastellorizo—a tiny island far from the Greek mainland—can generate a massive EEZ. While you feel validated by the supportive statements of some EU politicians, you lack a deeper understanding of international maritime law and established legal precedents. Political statements are not international law. For instance, international courts did not grant a full EEZ claim to the Ukrainian Snake Island in its dispute with Romania. Furthermore, look at the maritime boundary between France and the United Kingdom: France successfully restricted the EEZ claims of the British Channel Islands located right off the French coast. The International Court of Justice consistently applies the principle of equity and proportionality. An island cannot 'cut off' a major continental coastline from its natural maritime jurisdiction.
It's not just the "EU politicians". It's a lot more organizations that support our EEZ claim and also,like I showed you,UNCLOS which allows islands which can sustain habibation and economic activity,the right to an EEZ of up to 200 nm. Of course it almost always can be regulated between two countries in good will or some agreement.

You forget that the British Channel Islands are not directly part of the UK. They are Crown Dependencies,not part of the UK.

To be clear: Turkey has no intention of going to war with Greece, unless itis forced to do so. However, it is a well-known fact that Turkey cannot and will not accept a 12-mile expansion of territorial waters or the extreme EEZ claims regarding Kastellorizo. Further more, the increasing militarization of the islands is unacceptable. When such claims are pushed despite knowing they will never be accepted, the intent behind them is clearly provocation.
Man,Turkey has been adding problems on the table in the span of 40 years. Every decade and from from the mid-2010s onward every few years,a new "invention" comes,
a new theory,a new claim,which strains our relationship. It is in fact,because Turkey abandoned the stance it kept for 50 years and suddenly started finding "provocations" in everything,especially in things it didn't mind for 50 years.

We went from this:

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To this:

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Take the recent deployment of air defense systems on Samothraki, for example. If we analyze the purpose, it serves no strategic function other than to provoke. Consider a scenario where a Turkish jet flies within the 10-mile airspace Greece claims (despite only having a 6-mile seazone)—a claim no other country in the world recognizes, as airspace cannot exceed territorial waters. If Greece were to shoot down a jet under these circumstances, it would be a declaration of war.
By air defence,I suppose you mean Patriot? Who told you that Greece has moved Patriot to Samothraki? Greece has moved Patriot to Karpathos,which is exactly near Crete. Second,we moved Patriot up north at the request of Bulgaria,which asked for anti-ballistic protection of at least part of their country.

Let’s look at the reality of such a conflict:
The entire island of Samothraki is within the range of artillery stationed on Gökçeada. Turkey could neutralize the military infrastructure there using simple, conventional means. Within 24hours, Turkey would be in a position to secure the islands along its coastline.

At that point, Greece would likely be forced to capitulate.
So your point is,Greece should not "provoke" Turkey by having even a token defence on the islands,because Turkey will take them easily. Yet,Turkey can have all the forces it wants right opposite the islands. You can have an entire Aegean Army,you can place marine brigades,landing craft,artillery and AA systems all along the coast,but Greece should not even try to defend. Komsun,I thought you said something about objectivity :)

To any Greek who believes that countries like France or the UK will rush to your aid: I must disappoint you.
No foreign power will bleed forthese provocations.
Not unless its in their interest. Most Greeks don't have illusions that foreigners will rush to save us. But Turks shouldn't be betting on that. Because sometimes,you bet wrong and you get to pay.

I leave you with a thought by Blaise Pascal:
Truth is so´obscure in these times, and falsehood so established, that, unless we love the truth, we cannot know it.'
You won't find the truth reading Anadolu and Yeni Safak...

I hope you choose to love the truth over nationalistic narratives. True security comes from diplomacy and respecting your neighbor, not from testing these realities based on outdated imperial dreams."
Are you saying that to yourself,komsun?

Because,we're not the ones who are literally back on their imperial dreams,that's Erdogan's Turkey the last 10 years.

We're not the ones with bases in Libya,Syria,Northern Iraq,Azerbaijan,Somalia,Qatar and Albania. We're not the ones who are involved in the war in Sudan or claiming that our borders are not our current physical borders

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We're not the ones with a government making such videos

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We're not the one building a second aircraft carrier,destroyers,more submarines,buying
new fighter jets,while building manned and unmanned ones,making ballistic missiles
and UCAVs. We're not arming like we want to take over the entire region in a future war.

And we're not printing maps of revisionist irridentist ideas that include parts of other countries' territory as ours.

That's you.

All that,is you. You do that.

You have a president who shouts "We might come one night,suddenly..."

You have a parliamentary partner who says "I will include the Dodecanese and Western Thrace in Turkey" and who talked about the turkishness of Aleppo

You had a Vice President who longed to take Chios and Kastellorizo and made revisionist comments.

You have MPs of the ruling party who make comments like "we can be in Selanik in 5 hours,we can be in Athens in 5 hours"


My neighbor,before you accuse Greeks of nationalism and imperial plans,take a good,
take a very good,hard look on your government first. And try to actually be objective.
 
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