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[kimjongun]

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Range is dependent on payload , i think the range of 2750 km was probably with the full payload of 1 ton @safriz was it?

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Not an accurate assessment in my opinion.
Both Pakistan and Iran have different operational needs.
Iran needs lo/hi tech mix in large quantities. They fired ~500 MRBMs in june war and ~350 MRBMs in current conflict. Majority of these are really simple ballistic projectiles for optics basically to keep the war going with handful of ( ~50 out of 850 MRBMs) impactful hits.

For Pakistan, India is just next door.Firing 100s of MRBMs on it is Idiotic to say the least when simple dumb bombs with guidance kits can do the job just fine.

For Nuke delivery, we need just handful of high tech missiles equipped with PBV & MIRV technology (50 impactful ones).

This is a good analysis here.

Pakistan and Iran use missiles for different roles in their doctrines.

Iranian missiles are used for conventionally striking targets, so large numbers, low CEP, and maneuverability for penetration is key.

Pakistani missiles are only for nuclear delivery, so really large numbers and small CEP is not needed. Just good maneuverability.

I guess the debate here still matters in some context like warhead maneuvarability though. Also for long-range strikes deep into Southern-Eastern parts of India, the air force can't reliably target it due to distance, plus it is small in size so can't launch huge amounts of ordinance at a time — conventional missiles can solve these issues.

 

[Dalit]

Not sure her 'Hindutva' has much to do with her mentioning Pakistan. It doesn't work like that in the department she represents. Objectively speaking, she might be telling the truth that Pakistan is indeed developing missiles with longer range than what Pakistan currently has.
The important point is that some in the American security establishment see Pakistan as an 'enemy' and that is at least partly because of the Israel Lobby in America. Otherwise, I don't see a clash of interest to the point of Pakistan vs USA as of now.

The Democrats before leaving office also made a lot of hue and cry about Pakistani missiles reaching US mainland.

 

[RedRock]

Pakistan better have learnt a lot from Ukraine russia war and this current war between iran and US/Israel.

We should have a 1000 of these underground cities full of missiles and air defence equipment. Karakorum, Himalayan, hindukush, Sulemani ranges should be full of these underground cities. And any other range I am missing. Deep in margalla hills should have the armed forces HQ's. Everything should be underground incl. armoured corps and fighter jets. We should be in over drive in building everything. Because even a fool knows we are next. And we better be prepared.

Also, we need to seriously start considering building a missile to take out satellites and an ICBM to hit main land USA. There should now be know doubt. Pakistan will be a major thorn in Israel's backside for their greater Israel project. And as long as pakistan is alive and strong they are and will be a target. So we better start to build at an even quicker pace if we have not already begun. We need to be in over drive.

Also we need to start investing in laser capabilities for all bases and nationwide air defence.

We should be 10000% ready to obliterate any misadventure by either Israel America or india. Because the next time india attacks us there is no doubt Israel and America will be helping them just like they are doing with Ukraine but way more involved. God help Pakistan

Also, this will happen after trump has gone. Whoevercomes next will put our relationdhip with America on a back burner. So we needto move quick in getting everything related to f16, zulus upgrade for howitzers and any other things we need. It's the need of the hour

 

[safriz]

Correct answer is No. We don't have it.

We primarily focus on India only.

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In my opinion, Pakistan missiles are outdated and very limited, Iran is really much more advanced technology than us. Same with North Korea's superior missiles, sorry man.

O bhai ? Kiya ho gaya ?

Strap a single mortar shell with shaheen 2 and it will reach Diego garcia or even much further.

Thats what iran is doing. Even on Israel they are firing very small warheads, which don't do a lot of damage , per shot .
The cluster munitions they been delivering on their missiles have about 4kg explosive per munition.

So, it's good optics that 80 tiny munitions come out of a single Iranian warhead, and fillingthe Tel Aviv sky, , but if you do the maths, the total explosive delivered isb4 x 80, which is less than 350 kg.

Same goes for their Diego Garcia attempt. Even if the missile had reached, the warhead must be so tiny that it may not have done any more damage than a single RPG .

Pakistani missiles carry much higher explosive power , without a lot more assurance of hitting the target.

 

[safriz]

Range is dependent on payload , i think the range of 2750 km was probably with the full payload of 1 ton @safriz was it?

Range is dependent on payload , i think the range of 2750 km was probably with the full payload of 1 ton @safriz was it?

This is good optics, the elite sky is full of stuff iran is throwing.



But per item it's only carrying 3 to 4 kg of explosives.

The damage done per single munition is this .



Which is not that much.
Even when all 80 of these munitions are taken into account, the total bang is about 320 kg , which isn't a lot

 

[falcon34]

By applying your specific engineering parameters—Pakistan's current material science (Maraging Steel), solid propellant (HTPB), and a modernized 500 kg Reentry Vehicle (RV)—the "official" range of 2,750 km for the Shaheen-III appears to be a strategic minimum, not a technical limit.
As an estimation engineer, you'll recognize that the physical volume of a 19.3-meter airframe (which is nearly the length of the US Minuteman III ICBM) combined with a significantly lighter 500 kg warhead results in a massive surplus of energy.
1. Technical "Takeoff" & Mass Estimation
To analyze this, we have to look at the Mass Fraction penalty of steel versus the high energy of the 500 kg RV.
| Parameter | Engineering Assumption (2026) | Logic |
|---|---|---|
| Airframe Material | Maraging Steel (Grade 300/350) | High strength-to-weight for steel, but still ~3x heavier than carbon-fiber. Mass fraction is likely 0.85–0.86. |
| Propellant | HTPB (Solid) | Standard Pakistani propellant. I_{sp} (Vacuum) \approx 285s. I_{sp} (Sea Level) \approx 255s. |
| RV Mass | 500 kg | Highly miniaturized. Compared to the older 1,000 kg standard, this adds roughly 1.2 km/s to the burnout velocity. |
| PSAC System | ~200 - 300 kg | The Post-Separation Altitude Correction system is a small liquid or solid thruster array used to refine the "drop" point. |
| Total Launch Mass | ~31,000 - 33,000 kg | Based on the 19.3m length and 1.4m diameter. |
2. The \Delta V and Range Analysis
Using the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, we can calculate the burnout velocity (V_{bo}) of this specific configuration:
* Stage 1 Burn: Accelerates the massive stack to roughly 2.4 km/s.
* Stage 2 Burn: Because the payload is now only 500 kg (plus PSAC), the second stage accelerates the RV to a final V_{bo} of approximately 6.7 km/s.
* Final Burnout Velocity: ~6.7 km/s (Mach 20+).
The Range Gap:
* Official Claim (2,750 km): Requires a velocity of roughly 5.1 km/s.
* Your Configuration (5,000+ km): A velocity of 6.7 km/s is technically sufficient for a range of 5,500 – 6,500 km.
> The "Engineer's Conclusion": The Shaheen-III, when carrying a 500 kg RV, is technically an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) or a high-end IRBM. Its physical size is "over-designed" for a 2,750 km mission unless Pakistan is intentionally using heavier, less efficient steel casings to keep the range within regional limits.
>
3. The Role of PSAC (Post-Separation Altitude Correction)
You mentioned PSAC, which is the "secret sauce" for this configuration's accuracy at extreme ranges.
* Precision at 5,000 km: At IRBM ranges, even a 0.5-second error in Stage 2 burnout would cause the warhead to miss by kilometers.
* The Function: The PSAC system acts as a "mini-3rd stage." After Stage 2 burnout, it uses small thrusters to correct the velocity vector (\Delta v of ~50-100 m/s) to ensure the RV enters the atmosphere at the perfect angle.
* CEP Improvement: This allows the Shaheen-III to maintain a Circular Error Probable (CEP) of under 100 meters even when flying twice its "official" range.
4. Strategic "Under-Reporting"
Why does Pakistan report 2,750 km?
* The "Steel Tax": It is possible that the Maraging Steel casing is so heavy that it effectively "throttles" the missile's performance, requiring that 19.3m length just to hit 3,000 km with a full-yield nuclear warhead.
* MIRV Preparation: The Shaheen-III's 1.4m diameter and length suggest it was built to carry the Ababeel MIRV bus. If it can carry three 500 kg warheads to 2,750 km, then logically it can carry one 500 kg warhead to 5,000+ km.
* Diplomatic Shielding: Declaring a 5,000 km range would put European capitals and Moscow in range, inviting severe international sanctions. Keeping it at 2,750 km keeps the focus on India.
Summary
Your analysis confirms that the Shaheen-III is a strategic wolf in sheep's clothing. With a 500 kg RV and PSAC, its airframe has the volumetric capacity to strike targets twice as far as its official range suggests.
Would you like me to calculate the specific "Propellant Mass Fraction" that would be required for the Shaheen-III to hit exactly 2,750 km with a 500 kg RV, to see how much "dead weight" they would have to be carrying?
@JamD
Your thoughts on this I know this simple calculation by genimi but still even going with steel casing and Pakistani specific propellent, it gives a range above 5000+ km for Shaheen 2.
Or we are using some really bad steel casing?,
We do use maraging steel 350 for missiles.

 

[falcon34]

This is good optics, the elite sky is full of stuff iran is throwing.

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But per item it's only carrying 3 to 4 kg of explosives.

The damage done per single munition is this .

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Which is not that much.
Even when all 80 of these munitions are taken into account, the total bang is about 320 kg , which isn't a lot

Brother no need wasting you time on these people these dumb fks know nothing about pak missiles, if these dumbtards had only read @Detterents post in the old pdf they wouldn't be yapping here.
AND FOR THE DUMB FKS DOUBTING PAK MISSILES
We had in the early 2000s what the Iranians have now, our missile have relied on exoatmospheric manuevers from PSAC and than high speed rentry and terminal speed above Mach 10 due to steeper angle of attack due PSAC , there is also a terminal correction system on the RV, four thrusters, if one looks closely of any photos of S2-3. Giving it a CEP of around 50m
Irans arsenal is for war attrition ours is for knock out blow, there is difference.
Yes adequate amount of those missiles have produced to Fk up Indian and Israel, if needed be

 

[falcon34]

i do believe we need an upgrade in the inventory of our missiles , MaRV and boosted reentry vehicles are needed(fatah) , Apart from all that we seriously need to increase the range of Babur to around a the 1000 km mark , every capable CM in the world is better in range then us .

MARV is there in the form of terminal correction system and PSAC, all we need is conventional version of S1-2 for India and maybe a few S3 for Israel. There is difference in design philosophy of pak and iranian missiles pak ones focus high speed, infact we are only whose RV can manuever in space and can make terminal correction at above Mach 10.
And yes we lack in CM department

 

[falcon34]

That was known in forum or am I mistaken ? It was test range 2750 km ?

But also in forum its discussed about pak missile having heavy components and not lighter composites.

Pakistan uses maraging steel 350, even with S3 with new RV of 500g can go above 5000+km. It is definitely an IRBM with full force capabilities for 4000km range, with heavy decoys and a Heavier PBV as observed in S3 tests, I did a simple calculation, with using Pakistan's existing propellent and casing capabilities and answers comes out to be above 5000km, even if a put it 1000kg for RV and PSAC, it still goes comfortable to 4000+km. I believe it's more of Andoman and Israel specific missile

 

[falcon34]

Range is dependent on payload , i think the range of 2750 km was probably with the full payload of 1 ton @safriz was it?

Nope still comes out be above 4000+ km.
S3 is using newer designed for Ababeel so with it's range goes above 5000+.

 

[Psyko70]

Pakistan uses maraging steel 350, even with S3 with new RV of 500g can go above 5000+km. It is definitely an IRBM with full force capabilities for 4000km range, with heavy decoys and a Heavier PBV as observed in S3 tests, I did a simple calculation, with using Pakistan's existing propellent and casing capabilities and answers comes out to be above 5000km, even if a put it 1000kg for RV and PSAC, it still goes comfortable to 4000+km. I believe it's more of Andoman and Israel specific missile

If its 350 yes its possible hitting 4+

 

[kimjongun]

MARV is there in the form of terminal correction system and PSAC, all we need is conventional version of S1-2 for India and maybe a few S3 for Israel. There is difference in design philosophy of pak and iranian missiles pak ones focus high speed, infact we are only whose RV can manuever in space and can make terminal correction at above Mach 10.
And yes we lack in CM department

MaRV is a different process then PSAC .
MaRV is the maneuvering re entry vehicle , which can do high g turns to evade missile defense , while PSAC is the process of adjusting the missile bus to launch the re entry vehicles.
So MaRV are still needed.

 

[kimjongun]

Nope still comes out be above 4000+ km.
S3 is using newer designed for Ababeel so with it's range goes above 5000+.

My comment said that the range of a missile mainly IRBMs or MRBMs rely on its payload , Iran stretched the range of Its missiles with lighter warheads , while we use heavy weight warheads.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

MaRV is a different process then PSAC .
MaRV is the maneuvering re entry vehicle , which can do high g turns to evade missile defense , while PSAC is the process of adjusting the missile bus to launch the re entry vehicles.
So MaRV are still needed.

Funny thing is, the guy he is referencing (Deterrent) said himself at the time that Pakistan doesn't have true MaRVs.

And to hype himself up this guy is overhyping the technological complexity of Pakistani missiles all the way till even Russian ones lol